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By Videopro Newstead
Item: Denon X4400 9.2 Channel Surround Sound AVR - Ex Display
Price: RRP $2999 - $2299
Item Condition: Ex-Display in excellent condition
Reason for selling: store upgrading to new model
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash, Direct Deposit, Credit Card (Metro Shipping is also available at no extra cost)
Extra Info: Denon X4400 9.2 channel AVR with 11.2 channel processing (for up to 7.2.4 speaker setups using external amplification).
All standard accessories included and original box/foam.
Full Manufacturer warranty applies from date of purchase. * Video Pro is an authorised Denon Australia re-seller.
Query to those who will know or have done what i am wondering might work?
Current Set Up is 5.2
Marantz SR 6011 9ch
Kef Q series 950/650/350 and x2 SVS SB2000 Subs
Due to the design of the room, I have wall mounted the "side" surrounds but they actually sit behind me, not ideal I know, but i have calibrated them as such that they are effective - i've increased the db a little above the Audyssey setting using my own sound level and there is still plenty of effect and headroom - I am happy with this as it is now after much tweeking!
This week i am going to grab a set of Q50's and implement them as an upfiring atmos speakers to sit ontop of the 950's as part of the front configuration but it got me thinking, can these be used as a side surround also? They have dual key hole wall mounts on the back of them for use as front heights and due to the angle of the speaker would potentiall be firing in an angle exactly as i need them down toward the couch - if used as a side surround. Then the Q350s would be the rear speakers only and probably overkill for the rears? Maybe i can replace those with Q50s too and use the 350s as bookshelfs somewhere else LOL
So, that said, I would love to expand the system to a 7.2.2 by adding another set of surrounds to the actual side walls but due to a window on one side and and a door on the other this is not an option for the size of the Q350's and the bracketing needed, stands are also no option as it will close off acess to the couch etc on each side... however the Q50a speker would fit. Yes, I would also love to add atmos to the rear too but due to my speakers being close to the ceiling there is no way i can do that, i just dont think the effect will be there and all i'll achieve is a speaker facing the ceiling and doing nothing close to its reflective intent. Ceiling fitted speakers is not an option....
I guess I am not sure if the speakers designed for atmos are ideal for a genuine surround or multi channel speaker thats all but im sure someone here will have tried or knows the answer - i am confident they wont be as impactful as the Q350's thats for sure.
Some pics and spec of the Q50 below and also some pics of my room so you can see what i mean by the rear and the side room....
DesignTwo-way Closed Box
Drive Units130mm (5.25in.) aluminium Uni-Q
25mm (1in.) vented aluminium dome HF
Frequency range free field(-6dB) 96Hz-19.5kHz
Frequency Response(±3dB) 105Hz-18.5kHz
Nominal Impedance8 Ohms (min.4.6 Ohms)
room looking to the rear (which are actually set up as the side surrounds! a view of the space to ceiling which is why i am not thinking atmos upfiring will work at the rear
now a view from the middle seat in the couch to each immediate side where i am wondering if a Q50 will suffice as a side surround (and now got me potentially thinking as a rear too to replace the Q350's)
To Right hand side To the Left hand side
One extra feature. 5 thousand bucks!!!
That's the ridiculous price tag I have come to realise for my own circumstance in order to add Dolby and DTS 3D audio.
It's out of the question and it makes me pretty unhappy that I have to force myself to ignore the want. Sure, if I was a high income earner I'd be dedicated to spend that and maybe even more - because I want it!! Alas, my family deserve me to spend the money on them and not another set of home theatre upgrades.
Now let me explain why I put a 5 grand price on this. Before hand though, I might just add that I have ZERO interest in adding Dolby Vision, HDMI 2.1, HDCP 2.2 video switching features, am totally happy feeding HDMI cables to the TV with the video and one HDMI from the SONY X800 to the pre-amp for audio as I currently do with just one toslink coming back from the TV digital output when using Foxtel, Chromecast or inbuilt TV apps. I know I will get these extra benefits with any new components but it's not a value to me I would choose to pay extra for because we like having just the TV on from time to time ya know, don't need 1000W to watch TV.
I currently run 7.1 with all VAF speakers and have an old but high quality Integra pre-amp DCH 9.9 , 1x Yamaha receiver ( RX-V1) used for 5 ch power and 1 x Yamaha (RX-V3000) for surround back power, so I do not wish to spend money and go backwards on quality, there's the biggest problem. How do I upgrade just one feature for a fair price without going backwards.
Sure, I could get a Black Friday special 7.2 ch AV receiver for maybe a grand and run 5.1.2 ( boring) and there's my ATMOS> No thanks, those entry level or even mid level units are a step backwards in power and quality of power. What really upsets me is that these low to mid tier units do not have pre-outs OR if they do have pre-outs they never have enough pre-outs. If you want 7.1.4 the manufacturers FORCE you into the very high end receiver market or the separates market and you need 3 grand plus JUST TO ADD ATMOS to an existing capable 7.1 system. Why can't they make a sub $1000 receiver with low power amps or just 7 or 9 channels but at least have 11 channel pre-outs?
If I am going to do something I am going to do it right, that means 7.1.4 and that means my cheapest option is the Marantz SR 6013 plus my existing RX-V1 to drive at least 2 channels. ( id probably drive 5 from it ). It also means I need 2 sets of quality height speakers ( $2 k ) and accessories, 5 k all up.
I know a lot of people would say get cheaper speakers but I don't want the new feature to be the low point, from what I have read I would not be happy with 2 height channels either and best to go 4 up top?
Sorry if my whining is hard to understand. I just can't play with the big boys like I was hoping to.
Im seeing if anyone on here is from sydney and own the ls50w kef speaker and would be kind enough to bring to my house so i can listen and see if i can handle a downgrade.
I can offer 50$ plus petrol money.
If i like the sound i will sell my gear and downgrade. I want to see if my dac will sound better on the ls50w also.
I can either buy brand new or second hand. Either way doesn't bother me.
I have a baby due in 6 weeks and i want to try a downgrade. If its not for me ill stick with what i have
Item: KEF Reference CI5160RL-THX Speakers (3x Speakers, suit LCR)
Quantity: 3x Speakers
Price: $8,500 (RRP $15,000)
Item Condition: USED but like new. 2 years old.
Reason for selling: Going in another direction, going to build my own speakers.
Payment Method: Pickup - Cash on pick up
Extra Info: These speakers will look great in modern living room. Their beauty is wasted behind the screen. Performance wise they will pass any test. Truly excellent condition. Always been adequately powered with a 200w Rotel class AB amplifer.
Unfortunately I have sprayed the grilles black but not hard to change again if needed. I would leave them off if you can. You can have the boxes I made for them too if you want till you get your room sorted and atleast then you can still have a listen. Overall I'm hoping I dont regret selling them. They sound great and have brought many movie sound tracks to life when other systems have not.
Come test them out before you buy, but only for serious buyers, sorry.
Pictures: Sorry I dont have any other pictures on my phone after I got the new phone. If interested I will certainly take the projector screen off and take some new photos.
The last photo I pulled from Google and shows a in wall setup with my speakers.