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I’m off work for the next month for medical reasons and have lots of time on my hands. I’ve got the space and I kept two records from when I used to vinyl and nostalgia is calling.

 

I’ve started looking at the dark side. Maybe something from Denon again. I used to have a DP-45F which I modified and had great fun using. 
 

Hmmmm...

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17 hours ago, Winno said:

I’m off work for the next month for medical reasons and have lots of time on my hands. I’ve got the space and I kept two records from when I used to vinyl and nostalgia is calling.

 

I’ve started looking at the dark side. Maybe something from Denon again. I used to have a DP-45F which I modified and had great fun using. 
 

Hmmmm...

I see there a few Denon DF-45F's for sale ATM.

https://www.hifishark.com/model/denon-dp-45-f

 

I've been looking at getting a DP-80 motor unit and doing a mod on it.

https://www.hifishark.com/model/denon-dp-80

A great mod thread for this unit here.

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/179115-monsterizing-denon-dp-80-a.html

 

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4 minutes ago, Tweaky said:

I see there a few Denon DF-45F's for sale ATM.

https://www.hifishark.com/model/denon-dp-45-f

 

I've been looking at getting a DP-80 motor unit and doing a mod on it.

https://www.hifishark.com/model/denon-dp-80

A great mod thread for this unit here.

https://www.diyaudio.com/forums/analogue-source/179115-monsterizing-denon-dp-80-a.html

 


there sure are. I’d prefer one from USA as they have user switchable voltage. The Japanese ones are 100V only and require a tranny to use here. 
 

there are  few mods to be done to all these. I mass loaded mine and upgraded the audio cables but this time, I’ll go further. 
 

A 45F would be nice but I’d even go higher up if I could. No matter what though, I still want the full auto functionality. I realize this limits outright Fidelity but ease of use is kinda a biggie for me too. 

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there sure are. I’d prefer one from USA as they have user switchable voltage. The Japanese ones are 100V only and require a tranny to use here. 
 

there are  few mods to be done to all these. I mass loaded mine and upgraded the audio cables but this time, I’ll go further. 
 

A 45F would be nice but I’d even go higher up if I could. No matter what though, I still want the full auto functionality. I realize this limits outright Fidelity but ease of use is kinda a biggie for me too. 

 

I know what you mean, auto functionality is nice to have, but with units like that, and of that vintage, I've always been worried about things possibly not working as they should, and not knowing how to fix them, more trouble to fix if that was ever to become the case, especially with the arm movement.

 

Denon are renown for their reliability and pretty much TANK like construction, as you probably already know, that's why I like them as well.

The main thing to look out for is if the magnetic strips on the inside on the turntable platter that control the speed are in good nick, if they are there is seldom a problem

My intended built was going to be OTT, with a Dynavector arm.....one day.

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I added a new source to my system today: a Rega RP40. 
 

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it’ll match in aesthetically with the Cyrus gear (it’s in a brushed silver finish) and provide ample opportunities for tweaks and improvements. 
 

ive already got a list of resource pages in my online bookmarks for everything from tonearm rewiring to VTA adjustment to counterweights to machined sub platters and so on. 
 

im very tempted to order mods right now but I’ll wait to see if vinyl is a thing for me again before sinking more $$$ into it. 

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On 15/02/2021 at 10:38 AM, Winno said:

unboxed but no phono stage yet. 

 

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ah there it is. I wondered what it was going to be.  Looks like it will fit in nicely...very nicely I suggest...

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20 hours ago, RobbC said:

 

ah there it is. I wondered what it was going to be.  Looks like it will fit in nicely...very nicely I suggest...

Yes, I've got a silver thing going I guess you could say. It's almost a perfect match to the Cyrus gear.

The red will last only as long as I still have the glass platter installed.

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6 hours ago, Winno said:

Yes, I've got a silver thing going I guess you could say. It's almost a perfect match to the Cyrus gear.

The red will last only as long as I still have the glass platter installed.

Mate it is a great thing when form and function are satisfied. I bet it doesn’t happen that often in this hobby ?

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This morning I ordered a new phono stage and new platter, sub platter, and dual belt kit for the Rega. 
 

I’m also eyeing up a new counterweight, cartridge, silver tone arm rewire kit and isolation footers. 
 

very quickly this got very spendy ???‍♂️

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Well, that was fast!

 

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11 hours ago, Winno said:

This morning I ordered a new phono stage and new platter, sub platter, and dual belt kit for the Rega. 
 

I’m also eyeing up a new counterweight, cartridge, silver tone arm rewire kit and isolation footers. 
 

very quickly this got very spendy ???‍♂️

You’ve jumped in the deep end, have fun. ?

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So the small package was my new phono stage. 
 

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it’s tiny. 
 

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I’m only running the Elys40 MM cartridge standard on the RP40 so I did some jumper juggling in the P75 as it came set up for low output MC. 

 

I also dialed back all VTF on the dial and set it via the counterweight and digital force gauge instead. I’ve done this previously and found it improved things. 
 

Then it was time for my first LP in nearly 18 years: Windham Hill’s Sampler of New Electronic Music - Soul of the Machine. This was my favorite LP from back then and one of two records I kept when getting rid of all the others. 

 

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The music started and I have to say, it was quite an emotional moment as memories of my early 20’s came back. The music reproduction itself was also sensational. Why oh why did I go digital only all those years ago!

 

I’m definitely hooked again and apart from the great phono stage, everything else is standard fare (for now ?). 
 

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A couple of weeks ago now I stripped all the gear out of the entertainment unit and put the AV stuff and surround speakers into their boxes and down into the garage. Two of the power amps are sold and I have a few other bits (Cyrus and Mission) still for sale. The proceeds of those sales will fund my new cartridge (Dynavextor 20X2L) and maybe even an arm rewire (Incognito Silver as the Nordost option is crazy money).

 

For now, the Rega is sitting on a foamed core and laminate board and IsoAcoustics Isopucks on my entertainment unit. 
 

We’ll be moving to an apartment later this year and I’ve started to look at what I’ll need then. 
 

I’m planning on having nothing except my subwoofer and TV between my speakers. The Cyrus Hark stand will be reassembled for all electronics except the monoblocks and will sit off to the outside of one of the speakers. The Hark is no good for a turntable so I picked up another Moon lamp table from Harvey Norman. 

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Early shopping but it was done because I didn’t want to find them discontinued when time to move. It’ll have the ProLight board bolted to it through Sorbothane gaskets and the turntable will sit on top on Orea Indigo footers. These steel legs are rigid and light weight and ideal for the Rega. I’ve already tapped the feet and fitted M8 steel spikes which will allow easy leveling. 
 

I’ll also have to source about 8m of Nordost Red Dawn RCA cable to make up new cables feeding the monos. I’ll also need a new HDMI cable as well. 

 

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Some bits arrived today from Argentina. 
 

bearing sleeve, ceramic bearing, sub-platter, platter, double belt pulley and a couple of silicone belts. 
 

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Despite a whole lot of very positive feedback about Tango Spinner, I actually found the sound lost its bounce and actually became a little thick sounding once the parts were fitted and the system fired up again. 

Bringing it all back in line again though was a Michell clamp (delrin Rega version) which was also delivered this afternoon. The boppy tempo and detail is back and it’s all sounding much nicer now compared to y’day. 
 

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I also added a dash of lime spirit level to match up with the Cyrus gear. 

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Someone said once that change is a good thing. 
 

I certainly hope so with the impending changes to hifi gear in this household over the next few days. 
 

Today I fitted a brand new Rega Ania Pro MC cartridge to my Turntable.

 

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From the first few seconds of music I could easily tell it a very solid improvement of the Elys 40 MM cart which came factory fitted on the RP40. 
 

I set the jumpers in my Dynavector phono stage for PE mode and played with with the coil resistance settings. The lowest is more transparent and the middle seems to give a little more oomph to things. I’ll leave it on the lowest for now as the delicacy I hear in that setting is partly why I went MC in the first place. 
 

in other news, my e83 speakers sold and will be replaced by something I’ve wanted to try my hand at again. 
 

more details to follow...

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I never thought this would happen (I should have known better) but my e83 are going off to a new home. 

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Time to pull out my recently rebuilt 782s. Off the end of my recapped Cyrus Mono X amps, they’re definitely no slouches. Their performance belies their size and they just disappear and let the music play. 
 

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782’s look fantastic. Do they sound better than the E83 in the mid/top end after your upgrades ?

 

How much is the Moon side table ? Couldn’t find a price online.

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G'day Winno.

 

Lovely room and set up mate...  I hope you end up with another nice room after your move.

 

I noticed the Mission 782's...  and, that they've been re-built.  I recently picked up a pair myself, in pretty good nic, but, they do need a little work.  I haven't actually looked inside yet, as the member I bought them from had cleaned up some corrosion on the drivers...  which I believe is common.

 

Yours look great with the woodgrain.  I'm curious if you did the work yourself?  What you have ( had ) done?

 

Regards.

Ant.

 

Edit - I am very impressed with the large sound from such a small floorstander.

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6 hours ago, Ray H said:

782’s look fantastic. Do they sound better than the E83 in the mid/top end after your upgrades ?

 

How much is the Moon side table ? Couldn’t find a price online.

 

Thanks Ray.

These are Mission before the move to IAG and although they have the same designer as the e83 (Peter Comeau), they're voiced differently. They're not as extended and airy up top as the e83, more of a softer, darker sound perhaps. They are still very transparent and while sitting here, look like they have nothing to do with the sound coming from between them. Stage depth and layering is fantastic on these. Having a ported woofer certainly helps in the bass department. I've actually turned my subwoofer off today as it was too much. The e83 are sealed and while the bass isn't as prominent as in the 782, their bass is more tuneful. 

 

4 hours ago, BuzzzFuzzz said:

G'day Winno.

 

Lovely room and set up mate...  I hope you end up with another nice room after your move.

 

I noticed the Mission 782's...  and, that they've been re-built.  I recently picked up a pair myself, in pretty good nic, but, they do need a little work.  I haven't actually looked inside yet, as the member I bought them from had cleaned up some corrosion on the drivers...  which I believe is common.

 

Yours look great with the woodgrain.  I'm curious if you did the work yourself?  What you have ( had ) done?

 

Regards.

Ant.

 

Edit - I am very impressed with the large sound from such a small floorstander.

 

Thanks Ant.

Yes, I'm lucky to have such a great room. Although it does have a very prominent null in the left hand corner which the wall panels have largely tamed. My stage no longer pulls to the right like it used to.

 

I got these 782s from a guy in northern NSW for a song. They're almost perfect outside but the midrange drivers were toast and the speakers didn't work - the cones were weeping their acidic fluid, the surrounds were hardened and cracked and their lead wires to the voice coils were crusty with green crystals and oxidation (from the weeping cones). This issue affects pretty much every 78 series speaker using the Farad Azima designed black stain tinted ceramic composite Audax Kerapro drivers. Mission warrantied them all and replaced them with a new Aerogel driver, also made by Audax in France. 

 

I stripped the speakers and traced out the crossover circuit. I replaced all the caps with same value metalised polypropelene Mundorfs and MOX resistors all hard wired on new boards with silver/gold Mundorf solder. I threw out the wiring and put in Nordost Flatline Gold. I ordered two new Audax Aerogel mids which needed their flanges cut down to fit behind the plastic baffle trim. I also fitted outrigger footers because these speakers are very narrow. One thing of note I also did was split the mid and tweeter at the cross over and fitted a third pair of binding posts on the rear for tri-wiring. I did all this myself and the results are really quite striking. Although these will be relegated to storage shortly, I'm definitely not selling them. They compete easily with speakers of equal size but costing up near $4-5k. Not bad for a total investment of about $1500 on my part.

 

They're a real walnut veneer with a rosewood stain. Shame really as I prefer the 70's walnut brown like that on PMC speakers. Rosewood was popular in the late 90's and in the 00's. I wish it wasn't. I'm toying with the idea of having these professionally sprayed black but I do like the look of the grain, if not the colour so much.

 

So I've had them playing all day and am extremely impressed at how they've come out post mods. Something specialer is coming this Saturday though... 

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Thanks @Winno, for such a detailed run down.  Although I'm working with speakers now, I still have a way to go, and much to learn, before I have the confidence for such work...  but, my goal is to get there.

 

I'll definitely be referring to your work in the previous post.

 

Cheers.

Ant.

 

Edit - yeah, I picked mine up for $150 from another member, and true gentleman.

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51 minutes ago, BuzzzFuzzz said:

Thanks @Winno, for such a detailed run down.  Although I'm working with speakers now, I still have a way to go, and much to learn, before I have the confidence for such work...  but, my goal is to get there.

 

I'll definitely be referring to your work in the previous post.

 

Cheers.

Ant.

 

Edit - yeah, I picked mine up for $150 from another member, and true gentleman.


happy to answer any questions about the 782 if you want to go down that road. 

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Couple of things were ordered y’day & today. 
I ended up ordering an Incognito Silver arm rewire kit from Decibel Hifi afterall after some thought and posting a thread in the TT section of SNA. Feedback on rewiring is generally very positive. The Silver cable kit seems less popular but I like what silver does (generalization, I know) so that’s what was put in the cart. 
 

I was going to order a Michell Tecnoweight but, RB303 stubbs are apparently notoriously hard to remove and even then, some accounts state it’s not completely compatible with the RB303. It’s also pricey. 
 

so despite the brass coloured weight (I’m into silver and black only - I even swapped out the gold spikes on my e83 speakers for black ones at one stage), I ordered the XTC version from eBay instead which doesn’t require mods to ft and leaves me enough in the budget for more LPs. 
 

 

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Looks great Steve.

 

Can I please have the 782s?

 

After all they don't match the rest of your gear ?

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19 hours ago, JB82 said:

Nice ?

 

How do you find the sound with the Cyrus gear?

 

Very nice actually - balanced and musical. I was a bit worried they'd not do well on the ESL panels given the low impedance the panels can present at high frequencies. I needn't have though. They run cool and are very enjoyable to listen to.

 

48 minutes ago, kiwimeat said:

Looks great Steve.

 

Can I please have the 782s?

 

After all they don't match the rest of your gear ?

 

The 782s are keepers but you know what they say: everything is for sale for the right price...

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More deliveries today. Three old favourites and something new. And also something to make it all sound just a little bit better. 
 

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On 06/04/2021 at 7:57 PM, Pops110 said:

How are the new speakers settling in? 
Room looks a treat. ?


thanks mate. 
The MLs are certainly different to the Missions. They’re warmer sounding and have a much more expansive stage waaay out past the speakers. The stage is also taller. Bass on these is quite prodigious and I’m currently running the gain knob on the rear at -2. 
 

I’m awaiting delivery of a set of SoundoCity outrigger bars which I’ll mount my Gaia III footers to and I’ll then play around more with positioning. 
 

I am lucky to have this space. If we don’t end up moving later this year the Cyrus Hark stand will be brought back out and set up outside the speakers. I’ve already ordered longer Nordost XLR and Wireworld HDMI and optical cables this week. The Furniture in the middle will go. 

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night sesh checking out new TT tweaks - a rewire with Incognito Silver kit and Isoacoustics Gaia III footers (I know, I know - they’re still an improvement on the RP40 footers though and they were spare)..

 

 

 

 

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So I disappeared down to the garage last night for about an hour. I planned on changing out the quite nice Rega RP40 feet for some IsoAcoustics footers. 
 

I know the Gaia III aren’t a calibrated match for the 8kg mass of my turntable but they were spare and they are quite pretty. On they went anyway. They’re still “better” than Rega’s rigid feet and do have a little compliance. 

 

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I also disassembled the tonearm to fit my new Silver wire kit from Incognito. Was actually very easy to do except for the part where I needed to remove the end stub to install the earth/ground wire. 
 

it just wouldn’t unscrew and I didn’t want to wreck anything. So using some original wire I extended the earth and ground off a little paint inside the arm at the head shell end for the earth to contact when the rubber bung was inserted. 
 

I got earth continuity and everything went back together easily. 
 

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All back together again and spinning saw tremendous gains in air, stage depth and improved 3D rendering which are strong points with the Ethos ESLs anyway. The bass also leaned up and gained more tone variation.
 

i like all this very much but might have a play with VTF to bring back a bit more weight to the bottom end. 
 

More to come soon...

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New stand for the Rega

 

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and new vinyl for the Rega. 


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And yes, the stand is very sturdy and much harder to tip than it looks. 

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just broke the seal and played this for the first time. 
Im somewhat weary of reissues but this certainly exceeded expectations as it was dead silent and beautifully mastered. 
 

we flicked back to digital afterwards and my wife mentioned vinyl has something about it digital seems to lack. She’s a Doors fan and had never heard of John Martyn. She’s quite possibly a convert now. 

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Some supplies for when I get the Hark stand out again and install the gear off to one side of the speakers. 

 

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I’m going balanced this time. Shown is 5m Blue Heaven. I would have preferred to stay with Red Dawn LS but those in balanced in the length I need will be around $2k. This was a little cheaper and I’m hoping balanced gives the BH an advantage over RD SE. 
 

I’ll be listing my 1.5m RD LS single endeds soon.  

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Me and the pup chillin to some beats. 
 

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Deez MLz sure got bass

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Y'day I signed up for a 1 month free trial of Qobuz. I paid 4.5E to have Soundiiz move all my favourites over from Tidal and I'm now enjoying what might be slightly better sound (maybe/possibly/perhaps).

I'm concerned with the whole lossy MQA thing currently being "exposed" through a number of forums online. Something doesn't smell right and I really don't like it when big business does that.

I'm now deriving a degree of comfort and peace of mind knowing my music is full FLAC and even HR in many cases.

Whether I stay with Qobuz and cancel Tidal though remains to be seen.

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Also today, postman was kind to me. 
 

I’m going to outrigger my speakers 

 

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I'm just waiting on 3/8-16 thread adaptors for my Gaia III footers from Selby. 
 

I was going to order a Tecnoweight from Michell but thought I’d try the XTC version at half the price.

 

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Same principle as the Michell but doesn’t require me to remove the Rega arm stub (which I couldn’t remove when I was rewiring anyway). 
 

After this last pic was taken, I removed the CW and drilled out 6g of brass from under the weight so I could set the VTF via counterweight only and without added mass at the head shell. This allows up to 2.02g VTF with any cart the same mass as my Ania Pro (I’m running 1.9g as set up). 

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