Addicted to music 5,721 Posted June 24, 2015 Just picked up my Klein apRac from Clay this morning Plugged it in and am presently A B comparing against my NAD M51. The Klein hasn't been burnt in yet naturally, but first impressions are very positive Bass seems to be handled better by the Klein. Slightly tighter The MIds and upper ranges are similar to the NAD so far. Detail seems to be very good indeed Will report back as the Dac burns in a week or so. Clay is fantastic to deal with by the way Cheers Hi Bill, What version firmware are you running on the M51? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 24, 2015 Hi Addicted Version 1.50 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jventer 1,496 Posted June 24, 2015 anyone have a report about improvements to the Klein using something like a synchro mesh or remedy reclocker? Check out posts 28 and 41. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) I'm tending to agree with GPK so far. Edited June 24, 2015 by Bill125812 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ballzupbaby 119 Posted June 24, 2015 Check out posts 28 and 41. can't see any mention of a reclocker? i'm thinking of using spdif, not usb anyway.. 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) My source is a re clocked wyred for sound Sonos connect. I'm using spdif Sounding very detailed so far. Edited June 24, 2015 by Bill125812 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suopermanni 108 Posted June 24, 2015 Took the plunge on a Klein Dac. Hope I can hear good results on my headphone rig. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gieseler Audio 1,562 Sponsor Posted June 24, 2015 Hey how is everyone finding the front blue power led brightness? I have set it fairly low but it is simple to reduce it more. I know some people like to listen in very low light levels. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 24, 2015 Hi Clay. It's a little bright , but liveable with. Cheers 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gieseler Audio 1,562 Sponsor Posted June 24, 2015 Hi Bill, Next time you are on the coast drop in with it & I can reduce it down a bit, two minute job! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 24, 2015 Thanks Clay 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suopermanni 108 Posted June 26, 2015 Got my Klein DAC this morning! Left it powered on all day. Is that how you 'burn in' a DAC? Never heard of doing that before. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankn 2,562 Posted June 26, 2015 Got my Klein DAC this morning! Left it powered on all day. Is that how you 'burn in' a DAC? Never heard of doing that before.play music through it for a week or more non-stop. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demondes 445 Posted June 26, 2015 is DSD still in the works? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qwerter 649 Posted June 27, 2015 is DSD still in the works? We demand DSD! 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ancientflatulence 1,788 Posted June 27, 2015 Look out Clay ....... they're getting militant ............ you'll have a picket line outside the shop if you're not careful ................. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gieseler Audio 1,562 Sponsor Posted June 27, 2015 OK, yes I hear you guys. I just have to find time to get stuck into the R&D for the Klein DAC 2. The good thing is that all the current hardware is fully compatible for DSD. I just need to implement software control for the AK4490. Software control on the chip wiill also give us access the the fifth filter setting, the so called super filter whitch is supposed to be very good. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 27, 2015 Ok. I want it already. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demondes 445 Posted June 28, 2015 Oh my. Just plugged my mac mini into my amp with $2 headphone out cable to 2rca cables eg mac mini is dac (via roon). It is like shaving with a blunt rusty shaver, after selling my psaudio ds dac. I will have to use vinyl until I get a replacement dac. I don't think I can wait for the DSD version, if I go with Klein dac. Would there be any upgrade path from the current klein dac to the potential DSD Version? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gieseler Audio 1,562 Sponsor Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Demondes, Yes there will definately be an attractive upgrade path for Klein DAC owners to the DSD version when it comes available. Bruce is keenly awaiting the arrival of your PS Audio DAC. He is a good friend & lives close by so it will be good to hear a reference standard DAC in his system, not that his AMR DP-777 was bad. It will be good for me too as Bruce's system is serious high end so it will be good to compare the little Klein against the mighty PS Audio DS! Hey Bruce maybe you should host a DAC GTG, after all you now have THREE good DAC's to start the ball rolling. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcgreg 351 Posted June 28, 2015 I don't think I can wait for the DSD version, if I go with Klein dac. Would there be any upgrade path from the current klein dac to the potential DSD Version? Even if not, the resale of the Klein to someone like me who is happy to buy a used item for a small discount would protect your investment somewhat. There are also DSD devices that output PCM over USB that I think can plug into the Klein from the get-go. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Demondes 445 Posted June 28, 2015 Thanks all. This is a friendly and informative thread. On the DSD side, to be honest I can let roon or jriver convert to pcm before playback. It is nice to have but not a show stopper since most files are pcm, and maybe 500 dsf files Clay what's the wait time for current version of the Klein dac? 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gieseler Audio 1,562 Sponsor Posted June 28, 2015 About two days, just enough time to build one & then soak test overnight. I only have a couple of pcb's left of the current batch so once they are sold there will be a small delay untill the new boards arrive. They have been ordered but usually take about ten days. Cheers Clay 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill125812 1,519 Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) After almost a week of burn in time and listening from everything from the Rolling Stones sticky fingers, to jazz and classical, all I can say is WOW I have AB tested it against my NAD M51 with most of the tracks The Nad is certainly a much more aestheticly pleasing piece of kit, with its remote control and screen, but isn't it all about the sound. Well for me it is The Klein after the burn in period, just keeps getting better I am hearing more from the tracks than I have ever heard before. A tinkle here a twang there The bass is much tighter and faster, The mids and upper range is stunning This is a giant killer. If you can get pa chance to listen to one, please do, I know you will be impressed Great work Clay Edited June 28, 2015 by Bill125812 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kajak12 864 Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Bill, What version firmware are you running on the M51? Who cares no software will make up the short falls unless we are all wearing ear plugs........... 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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