Addicted to music Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Who cares no software will make up the short falls unless we are all wearing ear plugs........... @@kajak12, If you don't own or experienced a NAD m51, then please allow me to say that this comment is inappropriate.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 @@kajak12. The software actually did make quite a difference in the NAD. I agree with Addicted to music If you don't own one no use commenting. Uninformed comment really 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once was an audiophile Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 @@kajak12. The software actually did make quite a difference in the NAD. I agree with Addicted to music If you don't own one no use commenting. Uninformed comment really I am not saying it wont but give me a break with opamps no software will make the shortfall and yes have heard one long forgotten bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I understand what you are saying Kayjak but if you had owned one and listened to it through a few software upgrades, you would certainly have heard quite a difference I agree that software can't makeup the shortfalls over a better engineered dac, but the opportunity to upgrade software on a unit and better the listening experience at zero cost is somewhat enviable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to music Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I am not saying it wont but give me a break with opamps no software will make the shortfall and yes have heard one long forgotten bill. Nooooooo........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once was an audiophile Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) I understand what you are saying Kayjak but if you had owned one and listened to it through a few software upgrades, you would certainly have heard quite a difference I agree that software can't makeup the shortfalls over a better engineered dac, but the opportunity to upgrade software on a unit and better the listening experience at zero cost is somewhat enviable Who gives a crap about software upgrade when it ends up on sna forsale section .................. Edited June 28, 2015 by kajak12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mac Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) @@kajak12. The software actually did make quite a difference in the NAD. I agree with Addicted to music If you don't own one no use commenting. Uninformed comment really Yep, you nailed it Best ignore the troll who has nothing useful to add apart from crapping in other people's threads with the same tired diatribe. Edited June 28, 2015 by pete_mac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 What it boils down to is the Klein Dac is a fantastic piece of gear. Listening to it proforming it's magic right now. And I'm in awe 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mac Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 What it boils down to is the Klein Dac is a fantastic piece of gear. Listening to it proforming it's magic right now. And I'm in awe It certainly seems very promising! Hopefully someone in my neck of the woods acquires one in the near future so that I can have a good listening/comparison session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerter Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 What it boils down to is the Klein Dac is a fantastic piece of gear. Listening to it proforming it's magic right now. And I'm in awe Glad we are back on OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry218 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) It certainly seems very promising! Hopefully someone in my neck of the woods acquires one in the near future so that I can have a good listening/comparison session. Clay promised me to send 1 demo unit, not too long i supposed... i do have your fave AudioGD dacs.., so should be very useful for your reference Edited June 28, 2015 by henry218 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Pete You won't be disappointed mate. Cheers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_mac Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Clay promised me to send 1 demo unit, not too long i supposed... i do have your fave AudioGD dacs.., so should be very useful for your reference Very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jventer Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 What it boils down to is the Klein Dac is a fantastic piece of gear. Listening to it proforming it's magic right now. And I'm in awe Hi Bill In what position are your toggle switches? At this stage I prefer not having both down. Johannes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hi Johannes I like them both up. But I think it's just a personnel preference and probably just matches my equipment and the Martin Logans Cheers Bill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suopermanni Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Being the curious sort, I decided to follow the advice of some of the members and leave music playing on the Klein DAC while I slept. Playing it now, I can detect a significant difference in detail and layers. Also, I have found that I need to stop the computer from hibernating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gieseler Audio Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Hi everyone, Just letting you know that a.dent brought the last Klein DAC in the current batch so I'm now out of pcb's. There will be a small delay untill the next batch of boards arrive, usually about eight days. Sorry about that, I'm just not used to this high volume production stuff. Regards Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scratcher Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Good to hear Clay! Glad I had one for him to loan, anyone else in Perth is welcome to try it out. Cheers Liam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gieseler Audio Posted June 29, 2015 Author Share Posted June 29, 2015 Hi Liam, Thanks for your help on the demo for Andrew. Nothing beats hearing one that's for sure. Cheers Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jventer Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I am listening to one every day - for a few minutes to a couple of hours - time permitting. Burn in is relevant. Still believe that $750 for this is the biggest bargain in dac land. Further opnions will follow in due course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Small update I have been swapping speaker cables in and out for a while now finding the one that best suits my Martin Logans Went to see Geoff at Airealis audio and picked up a few cables to try What a difference. I love the UPOCC 16 awg Combined with the Klein, together they have opened up a huge soundstage. Delivered even more detail and the Bass oh the increased bass extension Is amazing This dac just keeps surprising me My daughter who was brought up on a solid diet of 60's and 70's music ( she's only 33 by the way ). Was listening to Dire Straits with me a while ago and just looked at me and said, were did you get the new recording. It was the same one I always played, just so much more coming from the Flac file now Nice work Clay. I agree with Jventer whole heartily Biggest bargin in Dac land 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naggots Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 My Klein has around 6-700hrs on it I guess. I'm listening for hours at a time ...... It draws you in. I leave it running 24/7 in between listens,it definitely smoothed out over the hours, the soundstage got wider and the detail dances within it side to side front and back. I can clearly hear differences between the different interconnects I'm trying out but never analytically, they all sound good just different........I have one of the original kleins without filter switches, I removed the jumpers which = switches up I think. Detailed, natural and musical is a difficult combination to pull off but this dac achieves it for me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jventer Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Small update I have been swapping speaker cables in and out for a while now finding the one that best suits my Martin Logans Went to see Geoff at Airealis audio and picked up a few cables to try What a difference. I love the UPOCC 16 awg Combined with the Klein, together they have opened up a huge soundstage. Delivered even more detail and the Bass oh the increased bass extension Is amazing This dac just keeps surprising me My daughter who was brought up on a solid diet of 60's and 70's music ( she's only 33 by the way ). Was listening to Dire Straits with me a while ago and just looked at me and said, were did you get the new recording. It was the same one I always played, just so much more coming from the Flac file now Nice work Clay. I agree with Jventer whole heartily Biggest bargin in Dac land A bit of a digression. I bought many Neotech UPOCC interconnects at auctions. I sold some here, some on ebay and still have some. It is also one of the bargains to be had in our hobby. IMO If one can buy something where there are not several layers of resellers you are ahead. Edited June 30, 2015 by Jventer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naggots Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I had some of the occ neotech silver dragon ICs around 8-9 yrs ago, fantastic cables. Did Dr Ohno work for Neotech ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill125812 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 This is getting serious now. Thoughts of selling my NAD M51 Re crossing my mind now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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