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Hi guys,

well there are quite a few Klein DAC's out there now so I thought I would start a new topic just for owners.

It might be a handy quick reference to compare filter settings, input quality comparison, testimonial's etc.

regards

Clay :cool:

PS Liam, your DAC left today via Express Post

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Dear Mr Gieseler (if that IS indeed your real name, or simply a cover),   I wish to lodge a formal complaint on behalf of my tired, sleep-deprived body.   You should be ashamed of yourself for man

Uber Klein, Now I like the sound of that. My wife would be more excited about the swimming pool though. All I need is a little more time, would you believe SIX Klein's out the door last week. All thi

Oh Clay, now you're just teasing me!!!! If you insist!     (and I hope you don't mind me posting internals - happy to remove them if you'd prefer)         The first thing I see is a forest f

Received this DAC today and, I must say, I am really impressed upon the initial listening session. 3D like and very organic sound. It is hard to pinpoint any particular area where it shines, it just does things right. Great instrument separation, tonal balance and vocals sound sublime. It is very easy to use all the cliché words, but this is a very special DAC. Huge, but not exaggerated sound stage. Good job, Clay! 

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Would the Klein work off a 9v 3A linear psu? If so I will buy one.

 

Only if it's AC output. Unlike most DACs that operate on DC voltage, the Klein uses AC input.

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That's a shame. I wonder if @@Gieseler Audio would be able to do a DC version without too much difficulty? I'd say there is a decent market for people who would like to use external PSUs...

 

Regards,

 

Chris

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I suspect that a good part of the Dacs performance is due to the power rectification/regulation designed within it. Having not heard this Dac it's pure speculation on my part, but I do know how important power delivery within digital circuits is.

 

AJ 

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Hi Juicester,

Spyne is absolutely correct in that my DAC needs a AC supply. The reason for this is that internally the Klein has eight different regulated supplies & four of these have there own SIC/Schottky rectifiers setups.

To try & run the DAC with a single DC input would severely compromise & cripple the performance. Also the output stage uses + & - 12 volt supplies, difficult to implement well with a single DC input supply.

The current power pack is way over specified at 2.4 Amp, the DAC only draws abut 650 MA & with a class A output stage current draw does not vary much. As an experiment I compared a huge RS components IE core transformer

to the plugpack I use & had great difficulty hearing any difference.

I hope this has answered your question.

 

Regards,

 

Clay

PS thanks AJ - absolutely spot on!

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I suspect that a good part of the Dacs performance is due to the power rectification/regulation designed within it. Having not heard this Dac it's pure speculation on my part, but I do know how important power delivery within digital circuits is.

 

AJ 

Precisely my point. As good as the little power pack is; I'm very doubtful it's as good as my external linear PSU.

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Precisely my point. As good as the little power pack is; I'm very doubtful it's as good as my external linear PSU.

Juice an external ac powerpack is usually just a transformer. So my understanding is that the Klein dac has it's own sophisticated and dedicated Linear psu with external transformer, making an external linear psu irrelevant.

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Juice an external ac powerpack is usually just a transformer. So my understanding is that the Klein dac has it's own sophisticated and dedicated Linear psu with external transformer, making an external linear psu irrelevant.

 

I'm attached to mine though....

kecesdc116_002.jpg

 

Anywho - thanks for the answers; and congrats on what seems to be a Giant Killer @@Gieseler Audio

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I suspect that a good part of the Dacs performance is due to the power rectification/regulation designed within it. Having not heard this Dac it's pure speculation on my part, but I do know how important power delivery within digital circuits is.

 

Having chatted to Clay about how he designed this DAC its secret sauce is indeed its power supply.  Clay has put a lot of work into it.

 

Thanks

Bill

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How are you guys finding the filter switches?

Any prefered settings?

I find in my well damped room at home both up works best but say in a tiled room both down is better.

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Picked up a Klein DAC yesterday so it's still early days.

 

But first impressions...

 

It's very natural sounding and not overly etched or detailed.

 

Only tried the USB input so far and it's better with my iFI iUSB power.

 

I didn't like up sampling with Audirvana.

 

I prefer the filter switches both being up.

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Picked up a Klein DAC yesterday so it's still early days.

 

But first impressions...

 

It's very natural sounding and not overly etched or detailed.

 

Only tried the USB input so far and it's better with my iFI iUSB power.

 

I didn't like up sampling with Audirvana.

 

I prefer the filter switches both being up.

@GPK  Just wondering ........ Where is the iFi iUSB power going, I thought the Klein didn't use USB power input ..... mine is running with a USB cable with no power wire ....... ??

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Hi guys

Don't know if this is the right place to ask this

But

I have a Nad M51 at the moment

Has anyone compared the Klein to the M51.

I'm interested in the Kline but don't know if it would be an upgrade

I'm gut feeling is yes it would

So if you can help please do

Cheers

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Hi Guys

 

The Kelin IMHO is better IMHO than the upgraded M51 I had.  Note: This was not a direct comparison - but from memory.

 

Thanks

Bill

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@GPK  Just wondering ........ Where is the iFi iUSB power going, I thought the Klein didn't use USB power input ..... mine is running with a USB cable with no power wire ....... ??

 

Gemini cable from Mac Mini to iUSB to Mercury cable to Klein DAC. I assume that what it's doing rather than supplying power is reducing noise from the Mac.

 

Interestingly, just this afternoon I've gone Mercury > iUSB > Gemini > Audiophilleo 2 > Klein and I think it's even better. But that's with the filter switches down.

 

Not even 24 hrs yet, so not making any conclusions as yet.

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It is definately an upgrade but obviously I'm biased.

I have had a NAD M51 for several years & often use it as a reference point when evaluating my new DAC builds.

It's features leave the Klein for dead, but the sound situation is reversed. Just listening to the M51 on it's own it sounds pretty good (I'm using v1.39 firmware) When doing a critical comparison between the two the Klein (AKM version) is more three dimensional with more separation between instruments & airiness. Bass is similar but the Klein Is a little tighter & cleaner. The Klein is producing more information & you just seem to hear more things happening in the recordings. The styling, features & operation of the M51 is excellent - I would kill to have all that in my DAC. The weakest area of the M51 is the basic output stage & excessive output filtering plus SMPS psu, this is normal in lots of commercial DAC's. It is in this area that I go totally overboard in the Klein, high current class A composite output stage with lots

of quality cap decoupling & very light final filtering. This has a major effect on the sound, also the AK4490EQ DAC is brand new, & exceptional at decoding digital music files. Hope this info helps, regards Clay.

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Hi Clay

Thank you so much for the detailed breakdown

It might be worthwhile to get one and compare

Cheers

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Absolutely!, you might have to wait a few days as I'm having trouble building these fast enough to fill orders.

PS just seen what speakers you have - Klein should work well with those.

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We have actually taken the shopping basket off (tricky with international shipping rates) so it's best just to email me via the website

or just PM here with your contact/email info. I usually just email out a invoice with direct deposit info ect.

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It might be worthwhile to get one and compare

 

If I remember correctly Clay has a M51 in his shop.  Since you are in Brisbane it may be possible for you to pop down to Clays shop and hear it for yourself.

 

Thanks

Bill

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Hi Bhobba

I think I might just like to get one and try on my own system

Then I'll find out over a reasonable period of time what it's like

And I know in detail how the Nad sounds on my system and can compare Clays dac more easily

What's the worst that can happen

She who must be obeyed will shake her head once again. Shrug her shoulders and walk off , leaving me to listen to music

So I suppose a Win win situation

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Yes they are Bhobba

Love them to bits.

The hybrid design also gives them a much better bass response

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I've got a keeper with my wife.

 

Bought a Sub 1 a couple of months ago and when it arrived she said it was a lot smaller than she thought (wonder if I should have got a Sub 2 instead  :lol:).

 

Clay's just finished my DAC today, and can't wait for it to arrive as I've never had a DAC before (only built up my gear over the last 2 months). Currently airplay my music from Mac Mini to Apple TV, then optical into CD player (has in-built DAC), then into pre-amp, so now going straight from Mac Mini USB to Klein to pre-amp will be a big improvement :thumb:

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