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I have always had my eye on the PMCs after hearing them in action under the twenty 23 guise.  I recently given the opportunity to home demo the twenty 5.23 and I love the clear mid range and the separation that the speakers shows so clearly, however doesn't carry the same weight that my Dynaudio Focus 160 had in the same room.   

 

Now I am wondering if moving up the line to the 24 will bridge that 'lean' gap or even better do you think the older model 24 will hit the spot. there is a pair of the old model available for sale at a much cheaper price. 

 

Appreciate any thoughts.

 

 

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sorry everyone I thought I had put this under the PMC owners thread and am not sure how to move it now.

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I find it quite surprising that the Focus 160's had more bottom end than the Twenty5.23's.

 

From what I have read (and heard) the newer Twenty5 series has much improved low end output compared to the older Twenty series due to the advancements with the transmission line technology PMC use, specifically Laminair.

 

I am currently running a pair of Twenty5.24's and never really find them wanting for bass. In conjunction with my Devialet amplification and SAM, they get down very low. 

 

What sort of amplification did you use with the Twenty5.23's when you auditioned them?

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I am demoing them at home so using the same gear as for the Dyns.  I use an Audio Research DS450.   The 23 definitely has well defined bass, but just not as much weight if that makes sense.  I suppose the 24 is a much bigger unit than the 23 and thought it would bridge the gap.

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The DS450 seems like more than enough power for the PMCs.

 

Something else I just realised is that the Twenty5.23's utilise a 5.5" mid/woofer versus the 6.5" found on the Twenty5.24's as well as the Focus 160's. 

 

Strangely enough, the standmount Twenty5.22's also use a 6.5" driver.

 

So I'd definitely say the Twenty5.23 is a little on the smaller side for a floordstanding speaker.

 

This could also account for the reduced bass that you are experiencing in your room. 

 

 

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Do you find that your 24 give the same great mid range 

and detail as the 23? Wondering if I should stump up now and not regret it later.......though most online reviews appear to focus on the 23.

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I haven't heard the Twenty5.23's myself but have heard the 22's and I find the midrange is very similar in character. 

 

The 24's are also a bit easier to drive as they are 89db vs the 86.5db on the 23's. 

 

If you have the budget I'd suggest going for the 24's.

 

 

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Got the 24. They certainly address the bass issues! Great speaker

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47 minutes ago, NcA said:

Got the 24. They certainly address the bass issues! Great speaker

Congratulations NcA, they're an engaging listen which you're going to enjoy even more once run in. 

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Can anyone suggest some in-ceiling speakers for Dolby atmos duty that would go with a ob1. Cb6. Db1, tle 1 5.1 surround system?  Their wafers are way over budget, I’m thinking $500 to $1500 as it’s really just for atmos.

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I used to have both the PMC Twenty.23 and Dynaudio Contour S1.4 LE at the same time and also demoed the Dynaudio Focus 160 and PMC Twenty.24 on my system.

 

Firstly my 23s didn't have nearly the amount of bass in the beginning as later on, they gain some bass after the run in period, which is worth considering if you can find out how much those 23s have played so far.

 

I have not heard the Twenty5 series, but I have heard the 22, 23, and 24 in the Twenty series and due to similar size and forms I suspect the same sort of differences.

 

To me the SPL and especially the level at which it can play strong bass is higher on both 22 and 24 than on the 23, but the balance between the bass and mid range is different. The 22 sounds leaner and the 23 and 24 much weightier in the bass. This means at low to medium volume you should get the same sort of bass weight from the 23 as from the 24, but it won't be able to match the 24 at high volume.

 

The mid range to treble balance is also different, possibly due to a different crossover, different driver impedance, and/or the smaller driver integrating better with the tweeter because of driver dispersion. The treble sounds more open on the 22 and 24, but more balanced and cohesive on the 23.

 

The Focus 160 didn't have as good mid range as the PMCs in my opinion, but the Contour S1.4 LE did. Both these Dynaudios had bags of bass weight, but were more dependent on the room than the PMCs. In an open space with at least 1m behind them, they would more or less match the PMC floor standers, perhaps slightly stronger for the LE, but when placed say 70cm from a back wall, they thunder and the bass overpowers everything on the Dynaudios. They sound too light with the plugs in the ports, so I'd say they either need semi plugs for the ports, or a large space behind them. The PMCs didn't change nearly as much when moving further or closer to a back wall.

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Hi Have a pair of PMC 25.23 and looking at my next integrated amp. currently running a Roksan Caspian love the energy and rhythm it brings to the speakers but looking for an extra level of detail thinking either a Naim Supernait 2

Bryston B135

 

anyone have any experience with this amps and the PMCs?

 

 

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