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On 15/09/2019 at 7:07 AM, blakey72 said:

Just messaged a mod about this ;) 

The right thing to do. I gave you no choice. 

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15 hours ago, magical said:

Do try your speakers with some differant amp, I've  sold & seviced plinius amp since 1999. Head rech says built like a rock, sounds like mud. Try a few different amp's as I did and you may be supprised.

Brett. 

 

Doesn't sound like mud to me.

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On 22/09/2019 at 12:00 AM, magical said:

I've sold numerous pairs of TB2's ant it's one of those speakers I really enjoyed selling.  I'd know I've sold somemone a pair of speakers that they can enjoy for years. 

Since pmc had re-released their little DB1's it comes to mind, arn't they a perfect little speaker for to study???  I sold Stereophilus his MB2's ( I think I've sold more pairs if these than anyone else in Australia and I'm very proud of that), long process but lots of fun, though i think I'd prefer listening to Holst's the Planets rather than the Gladiator soundtrack(inside joke their folks). 

The good old days... we gave those tracks a good work out before settling on a decision.  I did enjoy the process.  

 

Incidentally, did you see the photos of the crossovers on the MB2ses I posted?

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44 minutes ago, Stereophilus said:

The good old days... we gave those tracks a good work out before settling on a decision.  I did enjoy the process.  

 

Incidentally, did you see the photos of the crossovers on the MB2ses I posted?

No i didn't, but I've had a look at them and i know what I'd do to them. I'd replace the benic caps with Hovlands and the inductors with goertz foil air core inductors, simplify the design using single cap rather than multiples, then set the lot in resin(as in the Wilson Audio method) if possible, hardwire them rather than using the pcb mounting.

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On 26/08/2019 at 2:20 PM, audio_file said:

Maybe, then again PMC decided to remove Bi-Wiring capability from the Twenty5 series.

Love to hear some 25s and see what the difference are.

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On 26/08/2019 at 2:38 PM, Ittaku said:

If you do this experiment for yourself, I suggest you make sure the single cable is double calibre compared to each separate bi-wire component for it to be a fair comparison since one basically has double the cross-sectional area otherwise. I've done this experiment myself, and the two cables were indistinguishable.

 

The reason there are options for bi-wiring speakers is in the unlikely event you have the budget for separate amplifiers for each component. The reasoning got confused along with so many other cable discussions where things end up in science-free opinion-land where people insist it sounds better bi-wired to the same amp. Scientifically speaking, there's actually a reason that would sound worse than just using a double calibre cable that goes to both terminals, but it's very fine print and unlikely to be audible.

I guess you can only try these things for yourself.  Myself, l quite like what I'm hearing. I think I'm done now.

Been buying a s##t load of music.

Time to enjoy.

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On 23/09/2019 at 1:43 AM, magical said:

Do try your speakers with some differant amp, I've  sold & seviced plinius amp since 1999. Head rech says built like a rock, sounds like mud. Try a few different amp's as I did and you may be supprised.

Brett. 

 

Have you heard Plinius with PMC? I've tried the PMC's with an:

 

Exposure 2010S2 Integrated

Redgum RGi35ENR Black series Integrated

Redgum RGi120ENR Black Series Integrated

Sansui AU-Alpha 907 Integrated

Sansui AU-4900

Exposure 2010 Pre/Exposure XXVIII Power Amp

Myryad Z240 Integrated

Sansui AU-5900

Plinius 9200 Integrated

Redgum SonofaGum

Luxman L507UXII Integrated

Yamaha A-S2100 Integrated

McIntosh MA7200 Integrated

 

The Plinius pairs best to my ears followed by the Exposure 2010S2 Then maybe the Luxman. When I auditioned the PMC's Victor used Plinius gear (Pre/Power). He said he had been through the PMC factory and spoke to the CEO. I've said before he uses a Plinius M-10 Pre with a pair of A-300's. There must be something in it if he uses a Kiwi amp setup with his PMC's.

 

 

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7 hours ago, magical said:

No i didn't, but I've had a look at them and i know what I'd do to them. I'd replace the benic caps with Hovlands and the inductors with goertz foil air core inductors, simplify the design using single cap rather than multiples, then set the lot in resin(as in the Wilson Audio method) if possible, hardwire them rather than using the pcb mounting.

Are you doing these sort of upgrades?  Have you modified your BB5’s?

 

I ask because I consider the PMC crossover components to be their weak point (albeit not that bad), and I’d be keen to look at what your suggesting.

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My Plinius amplifier SA250 (mk4) has its fuse blown up, not working any more.

I tried to get it repaired, contacted Plinius in NZ asked for authorised repairer, but they do not answer queries!

Anyone knows a trusted repairer in Brisbane who can repair Plinius?

Thanks

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4 hours ago, Tannie19 said:

My Plinius amplifier SA250 (mk4) has its fuse blown up, not working any more.

I tried to get it repaired, contacted Plinius in NZ asked for authorised repairer, but they do not answer queries!

Anyone knows a trusted repairer in Brisbane who can repair Plinius?

Thanks

I bought my Plinius from Aussie hifi.

They should be able to help surely, being that they are a Queensland operator?

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4 hours ago, Tannie19 said:

My Plinius amplifier SA250 (mk4) has its fuse blown up, not working any more.

I tried to get it repaired, contacted Plinius in NZ asked for authorised repairer, but they do not answer queries!

Anyone knows a trusted repairer in Brisbane who can repair Plinius?

Thanks

Forgot to say, have you tried replacing the fuse? If it blows again you have a problem...if not....

 

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On 24/09/2019 at 7:26 PM, blakey72 said:

Have you heard Plinius with PMC? I've tried the PMC's with an:

 

Exposure 2010S2 Integrated

Redgum RGi35ENR Black series Integrated

Redgum RGi120ENR Black Series Integrated

Sansui AU-Alpha 907 Integrated

Sansui AU-4900

Exposure 2010 Pre/Exposure XXVIII Power Amp

Myryad Z240 Integrated

Sansui AU-5900

Plinius 9200 Integrated

Redgum SonofaGum

Luxman L507UXII Integrated

Yamaha A-S2100 Integrated

McIntosh MA7200 Integrated

 

The Plinius pairs best to my ears followed by the Exposure 2010S2 Then maybe the Luxman. When I auditioned the PMC's Victor used Plinius gear (Pre/Power). He said he had been through the PMC factory and spoke to the CEO. I've said before he uses a Plinius M-10 Pre with a pair of A-300's. There must be something in it if he uses a Kiwi amp setup with his PMC's.

 

 

Thanks Blake for your timely rebuttal .  I purchased the Plinius Hautonga, in part, on your glowing review of your Plinius. A decision l don't regret. I'm loving this amp, and yes you are right, it has great synergy with PMCs, as in with the rest of my system.

 

I also considered the Exposure,  followed closely by a Musical FidFidelity M6si.  But after careful consideration and perhaps a gut feeling, the Hautonga won me over.

 

I remember reading the particular article, as referred, that the amp, sounded muddy. But l ignored it, because several other articles repudiate this, by saying what a great amp it was, and for that price point it was hard to resist.  But l think it was your comment that the CEO of PMC was using a Plinius amp with his home setup, and that won me over.

 

I think people forget that the amp is not the sum of all parts and that with dudicious pairing, you can come up with great synergy, which l believe l have archived. And with my sourse components and various cable tweaking, l have reached my hifi heaven.

 

My setup is the best l have owned and heard for 40 years. So for me that's good enough. Happy as a🐖in mud😀

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19 hours ago, needlerunner said:

I bought my Plinius from Aussie hifi.

They should be able to help surely, being that they are a Queensland operator?

 

19 hours ago, needlerunner said:

Forgot to say, have you tried replacing the fuse? If it blows again you have a problem...if not....

 

Thanks for your response. Yes I did try to replace the fuse twice, they were blown instantly so there is a short circuit problem I think; and it need a repairer. I am so disappointed that Plinius has not answered my 2 emails; I even tried to call their NZ office, but could not get through. I asked Aussie HIFI (bought out by another name) and Stuart recommeded Watson Electronics, but Watson does not want to look at new brand that they are not familiar with.

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18 hours ago, needlerunner said:

But l think it was your comment that the CEO of PMC was using a Plinius amp with his home setup, and that won me over.

I'm pretty sure that Peter Thomas, CEO of PMC uses a full Bryston set to power his BB5's, at least thats what he said at the CES show in Vegas. 

I believe it was 4 power amp for each side, 1 each for the twetter, midrange, bass & sub, with active crossover. 

I could be wrong but I know thats their prefered setup, and what I was told.

 

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1 hour ago, Tannie19 said:

 

Thanks for your response. Yes I did try to replace the fuse twice, they were blown instantly so there is a short circuit problem I think; and it need a repairer. I am so disappointed that Plinius has not answered my 2 emails; I even tried to call their NZ office, but could not get through. I asked Aussie HIFI (bought out by another name) and Stuart recommeded Watson Electronics, but Watson does not want to look at new brand that they are not familiar with.

I thought magical might have chipped in to help. If you have been following this thread. He states he has sold and serviced Plinius since 1999. 

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Thanks, I try to find Magical who is mentioned in your message, but could not find him.

Can you point me in the right direction, thanks.

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9 hours ago, Tannie19 said:

Thanks, I try to find Magical who is mentioned in your message, but could not find him.

Can you point me in the right direction, thanks.

What is it that you'd like help with, feel free to pm me & if I  can help, I will, tho I'm retired now. 

 

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Hi Magical,

Thanks for your comments, I have sent you a message, hope you received it and I look forward to your response.

 

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On 26/09/2019 at 8:37 AM, magical said:

I'm pretty sure that Peter Thomas, CEO of PMC uses a full Bryston set to power his BB5's, at least thats what he said at the CES show in Vegas. 

I believe it was 4 power amp for each side, 1 each for the twetter, midrange, bass & sub, with active crossover. 

I could be wrong but I know thats their prefered setup, and what I was told.

 

Not sure if its been mentioned before , but I believe Peter's  current system is described in the following article  , with a few pics.

 

http://www.the-ear.net/how-to/ultimate-listening-room

 

 

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I have been interested in PMC since 2014, and since then have not seen them recommend anything other than Bryston. Although they seem to be warming up to AVM.

 

Note that this does not mean that Plinius doesn't work well with them.

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The cheapest new 60 wpc Bryston integrated amp is 8k. Then you would have people on this thread commentating that this would not be enough power for PMC speakers.

So you can't win.

 

The Plinius is 200wpc and costs less than 7k. The cost of a 200wpc or there abouts Bryston is out of reach of some people, especially this little black duck.

 

IT'S a moot point for me anyway, as l am more than happy with the sound of my Plinius. I'm betting that most knockers have not even heard a Plinius/PMC conbination.

 

Audiophile snobs would probably turn their nose up because it's made in NZ and not the UK or USA.🤫

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1 hour ago, needlerunner said:

The cheapest new 60 wpc Bryston integrated amp is 8k. Then you would have people on this thread commentating that this would not be enough power for PMC speakers.

So you can't win.

 

The Plinius is 200wpc and costs less than 7k. The cost of a 200wpc or there abouts Bryston is out of reach of some people, especially this little black duck.

 

IT'S a moot point for me anyway, as l am more than happy with the sound of my Plinius. I'm betting that most knockers have not even heard a Plinius/PMC conbination.

 

Audiophile snobs would probably turn their nose up because it's made in NZ and not the UK or USA.🤫

 Or Not at all - Plinius have a very good reputation. 

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 Or Not at all - Plinius have a very good reputation. 
Not according to some. But [emoji106]up to you for saying so.

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