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Those who have been following the Feickert thread in the analogue section of Audiogon would have read some very enthusiastic comments regarding the improvements gained from using the Mint LP arc protractor. For those who do not know the details, this unit is made for any specific TT/arm combination by a fellow by the name of Yip based in Hong Kong.

It is a plate glass rectangle with a fine arc line traced on it (looks laser etched on an opaque covering) and has tow clear sections with cross hairs and lines at the null points to allow for very precise cantilever (as distinct from cartridge body) alignment. The unit comes with a magnifying glass and you need it!! The MInt LP is, according to Yip accurate to within 3 decimal places It costs US$90 delivered and with this you get the protractor, a magnifying glass with light, a sample of his record cleaning solution, some samples of the famed Magic Eraser from the USA and a truly excellent set of instructions.

I have found improvements, as has everyone else I have spoken to simply astounding and my set up was pretty close to right but it wasn't exactly right as I now realise. With my cartridge set up using the Mint LP protractor the music is more vibrant, images more clearly defined in the sound stage, details I had never heard are now very distinct, height, width and depth are improved and well it just sounds more like the real thing. I would go as far as to say that anyone not using one of these (linear trackers aside) is simply not hearing all that their system can deliver. It is without a doubt the best $90 I have ever spent in Hi Fi. If vinyl is your thing you really have to get one of these. It is that good.

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Hhmmm, thanks for the review......just seems odd to me he supplies this tool with additional samples of other items.

I'm not so keen on this & seems a rather tactless attempt at selling other items & not at all related to this arm protractor.

Anyway, can you provide a link so that myself & others can read the necessary details. :eek:

I'm not sure how this guy would be able to make this tool for every & any TT/arm combination as there are just so many possibilities & what about the cartridge?

Sorry, but I am dubious. :)

Cheers!

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http://www.mintlp.com/best.htm

You have to provide the particular measurement (pivot to spindle) to him and he will custom make one up for you. A few who have used it think it's a good product for the price and very accurate.

It's cheaper but if you do change your tonearm in the future, it's no longer useful unlike Feikert Universal Protractor which can be used with various combinations.

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1214065860&read&3&4&

The Canadian guy who started the thread has both Feikert and Mintlp and plans to do a comparison this weekend.

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If I might enquire on what TT/arm/cartridge you have tested this - purely for interest, not to dispute your findings.

Having read a little of the background to this tool it would appear to have the support in principle of at least one turntable manufacturer.

It does address one problem I have with conventional single point (Rega - Stevenson) and two point type protractors in that it does not rely on the rather difficult and error prone method of setting offset (and hence effective length) by sighting a line to the horizontal bearing centre. The Feickert tool does address this problem but I have not used one so cannot comment on it.

This tool operates by allowing accurate setting of the effective length, whether by pivot movement (as SME and some others) or cartridge movement in headshell slots and then provides marks for cantilever alignment as opposed to cartridge body.

In that respect whilst the tool is specific to a particular effective length (and spindle diameter) I would imagine it to be usable for any arm/TT combo of equivalent effective length.

I certainly find it of interest and thank Hayabusa for bringing it to my attention - I will follow the outcome of the comparison with the Feickert.

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Firstly to Nostro, well the guy has other products that he is trying to sell and I can't see how including a few samples is tactless just a standard marketing method which in my case I happened to find gratifying. You're a hard task master! This is US$90 including postage!

Ophool, my analogue set up is a Basis Debut vacuum/Vector 4/ Transfiguration Orpheus combination.

Yes the protractor will work with any cartridge but change arms or TT and you are up for a new one. When you consider the cost of the protractor in relation to the cartridge or arm cost then it is likely to be a minor percentage of the overall investment and the sonic benefits are so great that I think it's a no brainer even for comparatively low cost arm/cartridge combinations.

I too will be interested in Doug Deacon's comparative test with the Feickert. I doubt the Feickert will be more accurate but it does retain its versatility for those of us who do rotate arm and TT combinations.

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Firstly to Nostro, well the guy has other products that he is trying to sell and I can't see how including a few samples is tactless just a standard marketing method which in my case I happened to find gratifying. You're a hard task master! This is US$90 including postage!

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.....I too will be interested in Doug Deacon's comparative test with the Feickert. I doubt the Feickert will be more accurate but it does retain its versatility for those of us who do rotate arm and TT combinations.

Yes, maybe so Hayabusa & fair enough, maybe I was being a little tough. :)

Anyway like some others here it will be interesting to read the comparison b/w Mint LP & Feickert.

Thank you & Cheers!

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Hi guys,

I did not have to use such a tool as my SPJ came with a whole bunch of tools and jigs for me to setup my cartridges. It is a breeze and pleasure when you have all the right bits as the installation is accurate and easy.

However, since I have a few more turntables to play with, I need a tool that is versatile and accurate. I think the Feickert has much to offer.

I know Mr. Yip of Mint personally and we used to have lunch at least once a week. He was kind enough to make me a Mint Template for my SPJ TT. The Template is very well made and accurate.

As you all know, the Template is made for a specific TT and arm, having a new TT would require a new Template. This is something individuals have to decide whether it is worthwhile.

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Well I've bought and used my MintLP protractor. ordering was straightforward and delivery from Hong Kong was prompt. Reassuringly the glass protractor wasn't broken although I'm sure that Mr Yip has a lot of experience in packaging these things securely. It came with a small container of record cleaning fluid as well as a stylus cleaner.

Mt turntable has been recently set up by Warwick Fremantle when he installed my Kuzma Stogi Reference tonearm and he used a Feickert. My experience from playing around with my MintLP this afternnon is:

this is more difficult to use with a suspended turntable as the platter needs to be horizontal but as soon as you put on the protractor of course it becomes unbalanced. Wedging a small eraser under the platter can balance this as well as stop a very expensive rotation of the platter!

if you don't have 6/6 vision and young elastic eye lenses with good powers of accommodation and very bright light you will find this more difficult. In principle this is a very elegant system that uses visual cues of parallax error to get the alignment correct but I found it very fiddly with my turntable, even after I relocated it to a well lit kitchen table and used a x10 loupe to see what was going on.

Result:

The MintLP protractor concurred with the Feickert as far as I can tell. perhaps I would have had just as much trouble seeing with the Feickert as well. Who knows because I didn't do the setup with that.

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Hey Prof,

Just wondering then why you didn't go with the Feickert from Warwick F & decided to purchase the MintLP?

Was this purely a matter of cost or did you perceive this device to be either more accurate or easier to use?

Cheers,

Nostro. :eek:

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it was $50, came with some other stuff, and I was interested. i haven't changed the setup as on my Tt they give the same results.

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