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in some more ute news....  and actually this is HUGE news for the segment... especially pertinent to our local market which is very ute happy... still a little while away and hopefully for the segment indeed does make it our way.... "as cheap or cheaper" is important to note....

 

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/electric-holden-ute-would-be-as-cheap-or-cheaper-as-fuel-powered-rivals-74976

 

Holden Ute EV would be "as cheap or cheaper" as fuel-powered rivals

 

GM's top executive has shed more light on the brand's electric ute plans, revealing its first EV pick-up truck will be as cheap or cheaper than it's fuel-powered rivals, but no less capable.

That's the word from GM president, and former Holden MD, Mark Reuss, who told Bloomberg that the company was focused on solving the key problems facing electric utes. 

His comments follow those made at a transport conference in New York, where he said that a range of GM EVs would be based on the brand's Autonomy platform. Reuss confirmed GM would sell an electric ute from 2024, which will compete with battery-electric trucks from Tesla, Rivian and Ford.

Whether the GM ute will make its way to Australia as a Holden remains to be seen, with the brand's local arm saying the timeframe given by Mr Reuss is too far off to comment on. 

Either way, there is still work to be done, Reuss says. Not least of which on super-fast charging, which can degrade the battery cells, and on charging infrastructure in general. 

 

Perhaps most important, though, Reuss says a GM EV ute will be "cost parity or less" when compared to the brand's traditional pick-up line-up.

"If you look at battery-electric pick-up trucks, you've got to solve a couple of things," he says. "Number one is charge time. You've got to be able to get out of the lithium-ion plating that happens when we dump a whole lot of energy into a battery cell, so the industry is working on that," he says.

"You’ve got to be able to have a charge structure that’s relatively benign. In other words, if we were able to have an electric charging infrastructure that’s similar to gasoline.

"Thirdly, they have to be cost parity or less. No one is going to pay more for a battery electric pick-up truck for work or primary use, so you have to get the cell cost right for sure."

In what appears to be a veiled swipe at key rivals Tesla and Rivian, Reuss says that while some products might be able to accelerate quickly or be capable off-road, GM's EV ute will be a genuine workhorse able to tick every box a pick-up truck should.

 

"At the end of the day, a lot of people earn a living with these, and they’re relatively inexpensive to operate," he says.

"In the end, the customer has to buy something that is high value, so you have to have the towing capacity and all the things that make a pick-up truck the standard of using something to make a living.

"That’s the high-volume part of the pick-up truck segment. Plenty of people will make trucks that are more in the luxury or high-end segment. They might be great off-road, or they might be fast or handle great.

"But when it comes to hauling things for a long distance reliably, it’s really hard. I wish I knew exactly when it would happen, but I don't."

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7 minutes ago, betty boop said:

"At the end of the day, a lot of people earn a living with these, and they’re relatively inexpensive to operate," he says.

"In the end, the customer has to buy something that is high value, so you have to have the towing capacity and all the things that make a pick-up truck the standard of using something to make a living.

"That’s the high-volume part of the pick-up truck segment. Plenty of people will make trucks that are more in the luxury or high-end segment. They might be great off-road, or they might be fast or handle great.

"But when it comes to hauling things for a long distance reliably, it’s really hard. I wish I knew exactly when it would happen, but I don't."

It's not just carrying capacity, what trade wouldn't want a guaranteed nearly endless supply of electricity straight from their truck? Rivians, Teslas etc will come with 240V power points

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Some other FANTASTIC news in the ute commercial space is the Ace Cargo.... and particularly pertinent to the local aussie market....

 

they are looking to assemble 100 this year locally off this flat pack from germany....upping quantities next year and then looking to manufacturer locally year after.... I've seen word around on its price ~ $40k

 

"Key benefits
Australian made electric commercial vehicle
Drive range on one charge 150 – 200km at partial load
Lower fleet greenhouse emissions by over 70%*
Home charging period – maximum 8 hours
Lower running costs by up to 85%*
0-50km/h acceleration in under 7sec
Maximum speed 100km/h
Maximum pay load 500kg"

 

https://www.ace-ev.com.au/ace-cargo/

 

 

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48 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

One of Tesla's less obvious advantages over traditional car manufacturers is their vertical integration. Controlling your own supply of Lithium is just a part of that, and strategically, very important. EV production is going to be supply constrained for every manufacturer, Tesla has recognised that and is developing a strategy to avoid this. Gigafactory 2 was developed to produce more than (then) the entire world's existing Li battery capacity, the Li has to come from somewhere. Tesla is anticipating the need for another 6 of those battery factories. Any critics that are concerned about this just don't understand what is required

in more recent news....

May 23, 2019 - Australian conglomerate Wesfarmers has entered into a formal agreement to acquire 100% of ASX-listed lithium miner and Tesla supplier, Kidman Resources. ... Kidman is a supplier of lithium batteries to Tesla via its Mt Holland mining venture in Western Australia.

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In EV news... Volkswagen to build battery factory in germany......

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/volkswagen-invests-900m-in-swedish-battery-maker-121675.html

 

Volkswagen invests €900m in Swedish battery maker

Volkswagen set to build a battery factory in Germany

 

Volkswagen AG has announced a €900 million ($1.467 billion) investment into an electric vehicle battery joint venture with Swedish firm Northvolt AB.

 

According to VW, part of the above sum "is intended for a joint venture" with the battery producer, while a further portion of the investment will go directly to Northvolt in return for around 20 per cent of the company's shares and one seat on the Board of Directors.

 

Beyond the initial settlement, Volkswagen also plans to create a 50/50 joint venture with Northvolt to build a European battery cell factory in Lower Saxony, Salzgitter (Germany), with an output of 16GWh.

Construction of the facility is planned to commence in 2020 "at the earliest", with battery cell production for Volkswagen to kick off in 2023/2024.

"Volkswagen is laying the groundwork at all levels for the successful implementation of its electrification strategy," said Stefan Sommer, member for the Volkswagen AG Board of Management responsible for Procurement.

 

 

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In more EV news... PSA (Peugeot Citroen DS, Opel) is setting up its own battery production...

 

https://www.electrive.com/2019/06/17/psa-sets-up-battery-production-in-slovakia/

PSA sets up battery production in Slovakia

The French car manufacturer PSA intends to assemble the battery packs for electric and hybrid cars of its Peugeot, Citroën and DS brands at its Trnava (Slovakia) plant and later also at its Vigo (Spain) plant.

The Peugeot e-208, among other things, is manufactured in Trnava. The company also expects to assemble battery packs in some of its other factories in the future as soon as sales of electric cars increase, said Peugeot manager Yann Vincent. PSA currently purchases its battery cells from the South Korean company LG Chem and the Chinese supplier CATL.

While the production paths for the e-208 in Slovakia tend to be shorter, the production of the Opel Corsa-e is different: More than 800 kilometers lie between the planned battery assembly plant in Vigo on the Atlantic coast in eastern Spain and the Opel plant in Zaragoza.

PSA is in the middle of preparing the transition to the electric age: By 2025, the carmaker intends to offer offshoots with electric or hybrid drives for all 40 models of its subsidiary brands. It will start in 2019 with all-electric versions of the Peugeot e-208 and the DS 3 Crossback. In addition to the Opel Corsa-e, the electric version of the Peugeot 2008 will follow in 2020. PSA’s plug-in hybrid offensive will start in 2019 with a corresponding offshoot of the DS 7 Crossback, the PHEV versions of the Peugeot 3008 and 5008 models, the Citroën C5 Aircross and the above-mentioned Grandland X. The PSA DS 3 Crossback will also be available as a PHEV.

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That VW tidbit is part of a much longer story @betty boop. When cobalt levels come down to a level VW is happy with, watch for the volume onslaught. The team at NorthVolt are very good people. Some will argue they sold out early.

 

PSA news is a few days old now. Will be interesting to see how much traction CATL get in the global market, they're growing very aggressively. 

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Renault update the Zoe

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Renault Zoe gets power and range boost

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Renault has treated the third generation Zoe to more power and more range

Renault has treated the third generation Zoe to more power and more range(Credit: Renault)

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Renault launched the Zoe electric five-seater back in March 2012, along with a monthly battery hire scheme that meant the company could offer EV drivers an attractive purchase price. With other European car makers such as Seat and Opel now muscling in on the compact electric space, Renault has bumped up the performance specs for the 3rd gen Zoe.

 
  • The third generation Renault Zoe is available with a brand new 100 kW motor
  • Seats in the new Zoe are covered in fabric made using recycled materials sourced from safety...
  • Renault has treated the third generation Zoe to a 10-inch digital instrument panel, which can put...
  • Renault's design team has made some subtle changes to the exterior look, for a more confident...

The all-new Zoe now comes with a Z.E.50 52 kWh Li-ion battery pack, which gives the vehicle a per charge WLTP range of 390 km (242 mi) and represents a 20 percent increase over the previous generation. Popping the diamond-shaped cover at the front now reveals two charging points too, one for up to 22 kW AC charging and the other for up to 50 kW DC fast charging.

 
Range per charge has increased by 20 percent compared to the previous generation
 

Renault is offering a power bump too, with 100 kW (135 hp) motor putting 245 Nm (180 lb-ft) of torque on tap. The Zoe can zip from standstill to 100 km/h (62 mph) in under 10 seconds, and has a top speed of 140 km/h (87 mph). A new urban driving mode means the driver should be able to use the brake pedal less – something Nissan Leaf drivers will be familiar with.

 

Renault's design team has touched up the exterior, with a new look for the contoured hood, a new bumper shape and fresh LED lights said to give the Zoe a more confident stance. The headlights feature high beam auto dimming to avoid dazzling oncoming drivers, there's included blind spot alerts and the car can read traffic signals.

There are enhancements inside the cabin too. The driver gains a 10-inch instrument display that's available on all models. As well as the speedo, odo and charging status indicator, this digital cluster features navigation aids and an eco-meter that's designed to encourage the driver to adopt more eco-friendly driving habits.

 
The Zoe's main settings and entertainment options are controlled using a 9.3-inch touchscreen multimedia display in...
 

The vehicle's main settings and entertainment options are controlled using a 9.3-inch touchscreen multimedia display in the center, with the center console also getting some attention. This now includes an electronic gear lever, automatic parking brake, an induction charger and more.

The new Easy Link multimedia system can work with a mobile app to offer the driver a range of helpful applications and services and, in a welcome touch, the new Zoe's upholstery has been made using recycled materials sourced from safety belt straps and PET waste.

No pricing or availability information has been revealed as yet, but you can have a look at the pitch video below while we wait.

Source: Renault

 
 

 

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25 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

Renault's design team has touched up the exterior, with a new look for the contoured hood, a new bumper shape and fresh LED lights said to give the Zoe a more confident stance. The headlights feature high beam auto dimming to avoid dazzling oncoming drivers, there's included blind spot alerts and the car can read traffic signals.

There are enhancements inside the cabin too. The driver gains a 10-inch instrument display that's available on all models. As well as the speedo, odo and charging status indicator, this digital cluster features navigation aids and an eco-meter that's designed to encourage the driver to adopt more eco-friendly driving habits.

not sure i see much in the exterior in the updates, but certainly the interior looks like had some very welcome updates to make far more upto date..... and more closer in line with its asking price...presuming it stays the same .... or hopefully even drops some ! .

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This is so cool. Rather than waiting a few years for Tesla to release a pick-up solution, someone resourceful bought a model 3 and mod it to be a truck 😎🏆

 

 

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4 hours ago, LHC said:

This is so cool. Rather than waiting a few years for Tesla to release a pick-up solution, someone resourceful bought a model 3 and mod it to be a truck 😎🏆

 

 

Ha ha.  Beat me to it.  

 

There was a time when the first conversion would have been a convertible or a two door.  Today every wants to be rugged and resourceful.......because we mostly aren’t.

Edited by Briz Vegas

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explanation why the model most were actually looking for in au never listed. ie the long range RWD. people either forced into the short range at $66k plus on roads or paying $85k plus  on roads for the long range and AWD model.

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-model-3-long-range-rear-drive-culled-overseas-121696.html

 

"Tesla Model 3: Long Range rear-drive culled overseas

Tesla immediately pulls Model 3 Long Range rear drive overseas
 

According to Inside EVs, customers with a Long Range rear-driver on order were emailed this week and informed production has been "immediately halted".

"This means that this version is no longer available. Current offers are no longer delivered. We are currently examining the extent to which the plant has produced your previously placed orders," the email says.

The model was removed from Tesla's online configurator recently, but customers have still been able to 'special order' it through showrooms. Now, it's no more.

With a 523km claimed range on the (more generous) EPA test cycle and a 0-100km/h time of 4.9 seconds, the Long Range rear-drive was seen by many as the best-value Model 3 offering.

Buyers will now be forced to step down into a rear-wheel drive Standard Range Plus, with a claimed range of 386km, or pay more for the all-wheel drive Long Range.

The decision doesn't impact Australia, where the line-up starts with the Standard Range Plus, priced from $66,000 before on-road costs with 460km of range on the (more lenient) NEDC test cycle.

Moving to the dual-motor Performance bumps that price to $85,000 before on-roads, and boosts claimed range to 560km."

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Just wait a few months and it's just as likely to return as not

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Good to see some really interesting cars coming from citroen and as they say these will be very much hybrid, which makes sense for our big brown land and do hope some things like this make it here. good heads up re their strategy going forward with EVs in the article below too... which integrated with the PSA group peugeot citroen opel and such and including their openness to buying likes of jaguar as well...  not ruling it out.... 

Citroen's big saloon will be a hybrid

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/citroens-big-saloon-will-be-hybrid

 

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"Hurrah! Citroen’s new big saloon will be here shortly. And it’ll be a bold-looking, comfy-riding thing, in keeping with the DS, CX, XM and C6 that lie in its ancestry, and all without costing big money.

“It will remain coherent with its roots, its DNA,” says Citroen product chief, Xavier Peugeot.

“We are a mainstream player. We would like to be able to offer a wide product line-up, with small, medium-size and bigger cars.

“But we’ll remain coherent with our brand positioning, the capacity to be affordable and popular. You can offer a big car without 400bhp engines and all those sorts of things. We will be covering the segment of bigger cars but in line with the Citroen DNA.”

Expect it to be spun off the same platform as other big Peugeot/Citroen group cars – so Peugeot 508 and Citroen C5 Aircross – which also means it can offer hybrid power. So will it?

“Of course,” says Peugeot. “For the time being our strategy is connected to the PSA technological portfolio. Our ambition from next year onwards is to launch a new car every year with an electrified engine available. Each new Citroen model will offer an electrified answer, in order to be ready by 2025 for 100 per cent of our range to be electrified.”

Citroen will still offer internal combustion cars, mind, with EVs and hybrids supplementing petrols and diesels as the company gets its head around what customers want."

 

“Everybody is in a race to develop EVs, partially to meet emissions targets,” says Citroen boss Linda Jackson, those targets currently sitting at a 95g/km average for CO2 emissions across the company’s range.

“We will meet our targets because a) we don’t want to pay enormous penalties but b) because we also want to protect the planet,” she continues. “How credible could you be, as a global manufacturer, if you didn’t meet the targets for CO2? We can be frustrated but there’s nothing we can do about it, we just need a business that can be agile enough to respond.”

And speaking of agility, she wouldn’t rule out PSA acquiring Jaguar Land Rover, something that could have its own benefit for future big Citroens.

“We’ve come from a situation of being virtually bankrupt to being hugely successful and financially very stable,” says Jackson.

“We look for opportunities but we’re not looking for opportunities. If one comes along and we think it’s a good idea we’ll say ‘why not?’. We did that with Opel and Vauxhall. But we’re not sitting here saying we desperately need to find a partner, because we don’t. We’re not in any hurry, any rush, but of course if an opportunity comes along, we’ll look at it.”

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, betty boop said:

“It will remain coherent with its roots, its DNA,” says Citroen product chief, Xavier Peugeot.

 

That, in one sentence, sums up what is wrong with Citroen. Once they were taken over by Peugeot, they lost their innovative DNA. Really, something like the Tesla Model S would have been made by the old Citroen

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7 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

That, in one sentence, sums up what is wrong with Citroen. Once they were taken over by Peugeot, they lost their innovative DNA. Really, something like the Tesla Model S would have been made by the old Citroen

not sure. the C4 I owned (last citroen i ever owned) was a very innovative car. and lovely car actually. it was owned by peugeot then. but it was about last can remember of anything innovative from them. GFC at the time post C4 didnt help. both peugeot citroen like many makers when through some shocking times post that. they seem to be back though. as wiht peugeot.... what they have in the 508 / 208 in new releases look fantastic... as does these models coming from citroen. peugeots own affairs eg like the elegend is really something ! they've always been fantastic with concept cars though...what actually comes out might be something else :D 

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