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one of best little driving cars out there the e208.... range is about only criticism it seems... also looks a really nice interior... and feels quite normal apparently and great in driving ! 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Briz Vegas said:

What can I say...

 

 

'They' will stick lights all over EVs when they're affordable.  It will be the 'newdoof'.

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19 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

one of best little driving cars out there the e208.... range is about only criticism it seems... also looks a really nice interior... and feels quite normal apparently and great in driving ! 

 

 

Want one.  I’m greedy. Wouldn’t mind an Alpine as well, but that’s not green, available as a manual, nor going to fit in my one car garage.  I was so glad when I found out that Tesla do a smallish steering wheel in the 3.  I loved the wheel in my 308 and the relaxed low position. The Zoe wheel  by comparison was like driving a bus.....relatively.
 

The curious thing about EVs is that smaller does not necessarily mean more frugal. The Mini E manages to do both but it’s in the ioniq/Model 3 class.  E208 is thirsty and does not make best use of its 50kWh. With Model 3 you get decent room for 4 or even 5 adults.  Even in my 308 I was apologising to my adult rear seat passengers. In a Model 3 you have to put up with them ogling the panno roof and the novelty of it all.  Space  is not a discussion point.  You can have your cake and eat it....but I still like small. Pugs.

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1 hour ago, Briz Vegas said:

Want one.  I’m greedy. Wouldn’t mind an Alpine as well, but that’s not green, available as a manual, nor going to fit in my one car garage.  I was so glad when I found out that Tesla do a smallish steering wheel in the 3.  I loved the wheel in my 308 and the relaxed low position. The Zoe wheel  by comparison was like driving a bus.....relatively.

I think i posted an article there will e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y be an alpine electric :D according head of renault ... but when that is goodness knows especially given way contracting in this market ! 

 

1 hour ago, Briz Vegas said:

The curious thing about EVs is that smaller does not necessarily mean more frugal. The Mini E manages to do both but it’s in the ioniq/Model 3 class.  E208 is thirsty and does not make best use of its 50kWh. With Model 3 you get decent room for 4 or even 5 adults.  Even in my 308 I was apologising to my adult rear seat passengers. In a Model 3 you have to put up with them ogling the panno roof and the novelty of it all.  Space  is not a discussion point.  You can have your cake and eat it....but I still like small. Pugs.

in the review it seems weather dependant as well...reviewer sayings its pretty carp in cold weather .... as for car size most cars not talking mini size but most can take 4 folk pretty easily...hence even for family car we are happy with our mazda 3 so large seating limo definitely not on my list :D 

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Regarding range impacts, I have not noticed this but in Queensland rain is rare until Late. Spring and that’s hailtime, not a risk I am wiling to take if I have a choice.

 

Now for some Chinese Norwegian techno. (with Dynaudio cameo).

Roads in the future, I can see it now.  Reminds me of a holiday to Asia.

 

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11 hours ago, Briz Vegas said:

Regarding range impacts, I have not noticed this but in Queensland rain is rare until Late. Spring and that’s hailtime, not a risk I am wiling to take if I have a choice.

hey briz, no dont expect you guys see what we do ....zero to sub zero overnight with pretty frosty days last couple :D . definitely still looks like 2 different approaches here.. mini ... small light, smaller battery pack for city run about.... vs Peugeot larger battery pack more to lug around for adding range....

 

I've found below re range and bmw mini with regards weather .... looks like highway as per review as well of the peugeot does hit range more ... though id say for an inner city car none of these are really i would suggest are a real issue...

 

https://ev-database.org/car/1163/Mini-Cooper-SE

 

Real Range between 130 - 280 km
City - Cold Weather 180 km
Highway - Cold Weather 130 km
Combined - Cold Weather 155 km

 

theres also mild weather ....

City - Mild Weather 280 kmHighway - Mild Weather 170 kmCombined - Mild Weather 215 km

 

and the clarification of conditions,

Indication of real-world range in several situations. Cold weather: 'worst-case' based on -10°C and use of heating. Mild weather: 'best-case' based on 23°C and no use of A/C. The actual range will depend on speed, style of driving, weather and route conditions.

 

Honda e by comparison ... errgh ! 

Honda eHonda e 15 km less range 30% slower acceleration 8% less energy efficient 27% slower fastcharging

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Peugeot had the VLV 50 mile electric car in 1942. I have ridden a bike faster (40 vs 36km/h....on the flat...ish, wind was probably behind me) but that was the tech almost 80 years ago. 

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5 hours ago, betty boop said:

hey briz, no dont expect you guys see what we do ....zero to sub zero overnight with pretty frosty days last couple :D . definitely still looks like 2 different approaches here.. mini ... small light, smaller battery pack for city run about.... vs Peugeot larger battery pack more to lug around for adding range....

 

I've found below re range and bmw mini with regards weather .... looks like highway as per review as well of the peugeot does hit range more ... though id say for an inner city car none of these are really i would suggest are a real issue...

 

https://ev-database.org/car/1163/Mini-Cooper-SE

 

Real Range between 130 - 280 km
City - Cold Weather 180 km
Highway - Cold Weather 130 km
Combined - Cold Weather 155 km

 

theres also mild weather ....

City - Mild Weather 280 kmHighway - Mild Weather 170 kmCombined - Mild Weather 215 km

 

and the clarification of conditions,

Indication of real-world range in several situations. Cold weather: 'worst-case' based on -10°C and use of heating. Mild weather: 'best-case' based on 23°C and no use of A/C. The actual range will depend on speed, style of driving, weather and route conditions.

 

Honda e by comparison ... errgh ! 

Honda eHonda e 15 km less range 30% slower acceleration 8% less energy efficient 27% slower fastcharging

Those cold weather figures are seriously reductions.

Problematic for lots of Northern hemisphere markets I would have thought.

Not too much bother for much of Aust but I'm in Canberra these days.

 

EDIT.
Actually don't mind the Honda e. Reflects the early Civics I think.

Is that another EV we won't be seeing here ?

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