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2 hours ago, proftournesol said:

Yes, noisemakers for EVs at low speed are now compulsory. Tesla, as is their penchant, offer a variety of noises, it will soon include Holy Grail style coconuts.

Oooo I hope they also include the sound of an excited hen, or some pew pew pew Star Wars weapon noises

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I wanted an 18" sub and a Death Star noise

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3 hours ago, proftournesol said:

I wanted an 18" sub and a Death Star noise

Nothing in the current restrictions preventing you from doing that.

 

(please do it)

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On 03/04/2020 at 11:06 AM, proftournesol said:

Yes, noisemakers for EVs at low speed are now compulsory. Tesla, as is their penchant, offer a variety of noises, it will soon include Holy Grail style coconuts.

If I am made to do it by law I’m going coconuts.  My August 2019 build 3 missed out on the noise by a few weeks.
 

Judging by my experience travelling at low speed behind a bunch of chatting teenagers as they walked down the middle of a very quiet suburban street, EVs do not need a noise.  They still heard my wheels on the road, and the man with the red flag that walks in front of my car to warn people yelled out “ incoming” ( dad joke emoji)
 

Meanwhile little ( 5 million people) but very long  (1,700 km) Norway bought about 1,000 model 3 cars in March.  We bought 1/3 of that but without Norway’s pro EV tax and incentives..  On the plus side the Model 3 is (just) outselling the Mercedes C class and BMW 3 series in Australia ( first quarter 2020 sales).

 

 

 

 

 

 

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“Mate, no point in having an EV in coal powered Aussie”.

 

I buy green power anyway but it looks like the coal powered component of our grid continues to shrink, even in backwards Queensland.

 

i did a quick calculation and Queensland is currently 36% solar powered at the moment. Would be great if the same percentage of us bought EVs.  
 

To show solidarity I put the car on charge and the washing machine on.

 

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Edited - unnecessary rant removed.
 

Discussion on model Y tech with Mr Musk and shortcomings of legacy auto with Sandy Munroe.

 


 

Edited by Briz Vegas

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looks like the subaru-toyota electric SUVs name has been revealed... Evoltis 

https://www.caradvice.com.au/844382/the-name-of-subarus-new-electric-suv-has-been-revealed-report/

 

I can easily seeing the name being changed to REvoltis :D if they continue on wiht this styling for the actual release car :D 

 

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3 minutes ago, betty boop said:

REvoltis

Yep, sprang straight to mind before I even read where you said it yourself.

 

Wow that's fugly

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might be some insight into kia's electric car plans... clearly us market... but would think be some aspects that will flow here as well...

 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1127938_kia-electric-car-300-mile-range-20-minute-fast-charging-arriving-by-late-2021

 

"With Kia’s Plan S, revealed in January, the South Korean brand became much more committed about going electric and committing to a significant volume of electric vehicles in the future. 

Under the plan, Kia will invest $25 billion by the end of 2025, with global aims to introduce 11 new Kia EVs by 2025 and sell 500,000 electric vehicles annually by that year. With that, Kia would have a projected 6.6% of the world’s electric vehicle sales. And in the years between now and then it plans to add plug-in hybrid models and mobility ventures.

 

What was sorely missing at that time of Plan S rollout was guidance on what specifically it meant for the U.S.

Now Kia Motors America has released some of that info from quarantine—in the form of a brief scripted conversation for the press (and, perhaps, the most curious fans of the brand) between product and technology PR manager Neil Dunlop and long range product strategy manager Steve Kosowski.

While there’s plenty the two can’t yet detail, they highlight what it means for the next couple years. Especially of note, it’s bringing two new models that hadn’t before been confirmed for the U.S.

 

The first is a dedicated PHEV—which we take to mean that it’s not offered in any non-plug-in form—coming to the U.S. at the end of this year. 

The second is Kia’s first dedicated EV, set to arrive at the end of 2021 for the U.S., although it might show up before then for other markets, such as Europe.

Kosowski said that the EV will have “a crossover design that really blurs the boundaries between passenger cars, CUVs, crossovers...it’s a little bit car, it’s a little bit crossover.” It also will have about a 300 mile range, with sub-20-minute recharge times.

That EV due late next year will be designed and engineered on a much-anticipated E-GMP dedicated EV platform shared with Hyundai. Under development since 2017 or earlier, it should allow a big improvement to design and proportions, and potentially interior space, by nixing the need to plan for an internal combustion engine, and is likely to have an 800-volt basis.

 

This all corresponds with reports of a “halo” model positioned above the current Niro EV and Soul EV (still delayed for its U.S. arrival), based on the 2019 Imagine by Kia concept car. It’s the same platform that’s expected to underpin the intriguing Hyundai 45 concept

The Kia U.S. representatives noted that Kia will have a whole portfolio of electric vehicles by 2025—including passenger cars, SUVs, MPVs, sedans, and crossovers. So if you’re a little frustrated by the limited Niro EV availability, wait just a little longer and keep the brand in your sights."

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1 hour ago, betty boop said:

Under the plan, Kia will invest $25 billion by the end of 2025, with global aims to introduce 11 new Kia EVs by 2025 and sell 500,000 electric vehicles annually by that year. With that, Kia would have a projected 6.6% of the world’s electric vehicle sales. And in the years between now and then it plans to add plug-in hybrid models and mobility ventures.

Tesla is already selling 500,000 Model 3s a year. They are likely to double that with the Model Y within a few years. I was hoping to see Kia being a bit more ambitious

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seems nissan is readying its next electric car for 2021 ! 

 

Nissan's first all-electric SUV close to debut, Australian outpost keen on a local launch.

 

https://www.caradvice.com.au/846242/2021-nissan-ariya-leak-australia-keen/

 

renderings seem to mirror previous released images, 

 

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The sleek Nissan Ariya electric concept looks ready for a faithful leap to production, if these new images are any indication.

These renderings form part of an official design patent application to confirm Nissan's ownership of the Ariya's look. In most cases, it means the images you are seeing here – if an unflattering glimpse – are what you'll see on the road in the future.

As reported by CarAdvice last year, the Ariya appears set to retain its long coupe-like roofline, intended as much to aid aerodynamics as to appeal to the growing number of buyers drawn to 'lifestyle' SUV designs.

 

So far, Nissan has showcased only the styling of the Ariya SUV concept, leaving out any useful technical information like battery capacity and driving range.

 

The Japanese car maker did at least confirm the concept features two electric motors – one at each end in an 'e-4ORCE' all-wheel drive configuration – while riding on a battery-packed 'skateboard' architecture.

The only numbers on offer at last year's unveiling were in support of the Ariya's proportions, with its 4600mm length, 1920mm width and 1630mm tall placing it between the small Qashqai and mid-sized X-Trail in size.

Nissan has yet to offer any further details on its intentions for the Ariya concept, although we can likely expect to see it unveiled in the near future.

 

Will the Nissan Ariya come to Australia?

The Ariya's local potential is unclear, although the company's local spokesperson, Karla Leach, has told CarAdvice "it would be great for Australia".

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and unfortunately the prices they are going up for the tesla model 3 ... 2nd price rise it seems since release less than year ago... 

 

https://www.caradvice.com.au/845933/2020-tesla-model-3-price-and-specs-australia/

 

"Tesla's most affordable electric car in Australia, the Model 3 sedan, has had its second price risesince going on sale less than a year ago.

The Tesla Model 3 range now starts at $73,900 plus on road-costs for the base model Standard Range Plus.

That's an increase of $6000 compared to the late 2019 price of $67,900 plus on-road costs, and $7900 more than Tesla Model 3's initial launch price in mid 2019 of $66,000 plus on-road costs.

Meanwhile, the Tesla Model 3 Long Range now starts at $91,613 excluding on-road costs, while the flagship Tesla Model 3 Performance tops out at $102,013 plus on-road costs. Both represent price rises of more than $2000 each compared to their most recent list prices."

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Yep, shafted by the AUD/USD exchange going down the dumpster.

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ouch....

 

Pricing has been announced for Volvo's rival to the Tesla Model 3 as it nears its Australian debut.

https://www.caradvice.com.au/846275/polestar-2-pricing-us/

 

Volvo's second electric car, the Polestar 2, will be dearer than a top-line Tesla Model 3 when it goes on sale in the US mid-year.

The Volvo Polestar 2 is due in North American showrooms in a few months, with the first Australian deliveries expected to follow soon after.

"Polestar 2 is still intended for Australia and we are in discussion with our colleagues [from] Polestar as to the exact timing," a Volvo Australia spokesperson told CarAdvice.

The Polestar 2 will start from US$61,200 (AU$95,050) in the US. By comparison the Tesla Model 3 range costs from US$39,990 (AU$61,890) to US$58,190 (AU$90,370) depending on battery range and performance.

 

US pricing for various options has also been released, with metallic paint and 20-inch wheels each costing US$1200 (AU$1860), and a Nappa leather interior adding US$4000 (AU$6200) to the asking price.

A US$5000 (AU$7760) Performance pack is also listed which includes Brembo Brakes, adjustable Ohlins dampers and the 20-inch optional wheels, however Polestar has not said if the pack will alter the model’s claimed 304kW/660Nm output and 440km driving range.

Last year, Polestar announced UK pricing for the model at £49,900. At the time, this converted to AU$90,900, however is now closer to AU$96,350.

 

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mini electrics price has been announced locally... you guessed it starts at $59,900 before onroads 😮  ! this is kinda crazy really given its really based on the cooper which is a $30k on the roads prospect ! am sure they will sell every single one of these mini electrics ... but this is a huge mark-up for the electric version ! 

 

https://thedriven.io/2020/05/06/mini-electric-pricing-and-launch-date-for-australia-revealed/

 

hopefully there is a mk2 or later revision once the bleeding edge factor is dulled... our dollar probably isn't helping either right now i guess...

 

not that i expect the fiat 500e to come out any cheaper either, as that was quoted already as in that thereabouts, however that is a ground up electric car unlike this one which is a electric version of the cooper. 

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$59,990 is the drive away price.

 

The Cooper SE is the equivalent of the Cooper S in petrol form and that is a $50k plus car. I was hoping it would be like in the UK where the SE retails for less than the Cooper S, but we don’t get a £3000 leg up that they get in the UK.

 

The Mini is actually more my sort of car than my Model 3.  It’s also what we should be driving because the battery, like the car , isn’t too big.  Problem is, what I think we should be doing has no relationship to what people want and expect in 2020.  I think you are all nuts and you think I am a green communist or whatever. 
 

The real mini in 2020 is the VW e-up.   That car is almost cheap and is said to be fun to drive..  Almost.  If only it had a liquid cooled battery for Australian conditions.  I think the battery is actually bigger than the mini’s but the mini uses the same cooled pack as the old i3.

 

Between  the i3, Mini, e-Up, Honda E, Peugeot e208 and Citroen aircross electric..........I would go e208, with the only drawback is that it’s a bit conservative and I would be tempted by the fun of the mini.  E-up needs battery cooling to win out.  Decisions decisions.....virtual decisions anyway.

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30 minutes ago, Briz Vegas said:

The Cooper SE is the equivalent of the Cooper S

Bmw would like you  to  believe that but I know these cars driven both cooper and cooper s this is in performance a cooper ie mild....

 

. Even if this was on roads Price then cooper S too is $14k lower in any case and is quite a bit quicker in true hot hatch ranks and goes harder etc. 

 

refer as per article I quoted see below,

 

Mini has revealed Australian pricing and specifications for the first electric Mini, adding a new electric vehicle to the limited Australian market.

The Mini Electric Hatch, previously billed the Mini Cooper SE, will sell in Australia from $59,900 before on-road costs, with a small number of “First Edition” vehicles available from August 2020.

The release of pricing and specifications comes following confirmation to The Driven that the all-electric Mini would not face the same delays due to the Covid-19 pandemic for Australia that other models are facing.

With a 32.6kWh battery providing 233km range (WLTP) on a single charge, the electric Mini will have plenty of oomph from its 135kW motor which Mini says “delivers rapid acceleration” from 0-60km/hr in 3.9 seconds and 0-100km/hr in 7.3 seconds, as well as “instant throttle response” typical of electric motors.

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5 minutes ago, Briz Vegas said:

The real mini in 2020 is the VW e-up.   That car is almost cheap and is said to be fun to drive..  Almost.  If only it had a liquid cooled battery for Australian conditions.  I think the battery is actually bigger than the mini’s but the mini uses the same cooled pack as the old i3.

dont know if we will get the e-up...wish we did... they skipped the up on us altogether but who knows.... agree with what say... the i3 is quite a large car actually very roomy vs these ....

 

6 minutes ago, Briz Vegas said:

Between  the i3, Mini, e-Up, Honda E, Peugeot e208 and Citroen aircross electric..........I would go e208, with the only drawback is that it’s a bit conservative and I would be tempted by the fun of the mini.  E-up needs battery cooling to win out.  Decisions decisions.....virtual decisions anyway.

the e-208 will be The car out of those i agree. the mini, honda e and even the fiat 500e are in that smaller class of car. the i3 is no more ... even if in show rooms....

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Generally speaking, Volvo is so expensive it's crazy...

 

Do you guys really believe electric cars are for sure the future? I mean, it's definitely not that ecologic :/

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Car advice , May 2020 - The German-owned British marque has said the three-door hatchback will have a national drive-away price of $59,900, or a recommended list price of $54,800 plus on-road costs, when it lands in Australian showrooms.

 

They also note the 14 grand difference.

 

To use an analogy, we are still in the days when flat screen TVs were rare and expensive.  I don’t think EVs will get as cheap as an Aldi TV but the trajectory has seen big price drops per kWh in the last decade. 
 

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Tesla seem to be leading the charge (groan) and 2024 is said to be the point of parity.  In my opinion  in some applications we are there. 
 

As for the mini, I understand that the mini S does go a bit harder but that was BMW hobbling the car to protect their other product. I am watching VW very closely with the ID3 to see how serious they are, but they have similar constraints.
 

 If you can only make and sell  1 EV in ten cars due to capacity constraints and ( currently) higher prices  you are going to protect your main product line.  Tesla and startups will push the boundaries but are constrained as well , but they can and do make the best they can make at the volume they are selling at.  On that logic it makes sense to buy from the specialist brand. You help the innovators and ensure the big guys remain under pressure. Buying from the big guys is also important for the tech, but the “ masses” will do that and right now keeping Tesla afloat is more important.  It’s just a shame they are currently geared for the US market.  It’s a positive that they are becoming an international company because they should mean more product diversity in the future.

 

i still believe they left the Model Y until now because It’s the right car for where they and the technology are at, No point in making a mass market product until you can do the volume at the right price point. So far the Tesla approach is the one kicking goals.

 

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I think EVERYONE is missing the point.

 

Issue 1: do we need cars?

 

I love my cars and I love driving, but they are an unnecessary evil.  I can afford it, but what can I do make the world a better place.

 

Make no mistake, in regional Australia we do need cars, but lets look at it rationally. In other words, the transport facilities in regional Australia are as such that we do need to use vehicles. The question is: what are we doing to make motorbikes or ATV's more safe and road worthy and /or relax legislation so as to use them in more situations and remove the need for vehicles.

 

The average car is designed to transport 4 to 5 people (single cab utes 2 to 3). Question: how many times do we use vehicles to their full capacity?

 

I use my car as a convenience and 90% I am the only person in it - a huge luxury and waste. I can afford it, but is it the best for the environment - NO!

 

So,

 

if we really, as in really, wish to look after the environment we should look at:

  • do we need vehicles and should we rather rent one when needed?
  • smaller vehicles?
  • relaxing laws so we can use more motorbikes and ATV's
  • using public transport?
  • using scooters ?
  • low and behold - working from home!?
  • cycling - good for your health?
  • walking - good for your health?

Issue 2

 

Electric cars still need electricity.  Where does the electricity come from?

 

I don't know  exact facts, but  AFAIK in most of the world it comes from coal/gas  - so where is the benefit to the environment? 

 

In summary: we need to have a TOTAL expectation flip and look at what we really NEED.

 

Electric cars IMHO is not the answer.

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One would hope that the power to charge them would come from solar and wind.

 

As I type they're currently supplying 24% of our needs nationally but hopefully this will improve in the years to come.

 

Some states do better than others, SA for example right now 80% solar and wind.

 

Go SA.

 

 

Edited by ArthurDent

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1 hour ago, Jventer said:

I think EVERYONE is missing the point.

 

Issue 1: do we need cars?

 

I love my cars and I love driving, but they are an unnecessary evil.  I can afford it, but what can I do make the world a better place.

hi jventer, lets not distract this thread, its really for electric car news, models, brands talking about specifics around them plans etc. not really environmental side, politics or economics or anything like that

 

am sure meaning of the car is different to lot of folk, i have niece who have no interest to get a license...at her age, i had a license soon as a i could !  she gets about with lifts, public transport etc. depends where you are. i travel length breadth of two states into next. nothing we have bar car covers that so essential to me. good i enjoy the drives and cars ....

 

for plenty its just an appliance a-b and find where suitable other venues... i try walk and use my bike when can. going anywhere near city take public transport....but we still need cars... 2 of them...

 

and yes great part of energy in some states is coal. this is also changing but please we dont want pages upon pages on green issues here. there are other forums for that.

 

lets stick to the cars please... of electric variety. 

 

 

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lets stick to the cars please... of electric variety. 


zoom, zoom

 

I have become a real car tragic since lockdown AU style commenced.  Electric or petrol does not matter if the content maker is good and it’s free on YouTube.

 

I was even tempted to be one of those people that starts talking to strangers about their fancy cars.  in the local shopping centre car park on Saturday a guy pulled next to me (+1) in a classic worked valiant hot rod.. We were both in the less busy part of the car park and he rolled up with the classic hot rod rumble and splutter sound. As he switched off I was backing out, in silence.  
 

I thought it was funny. Twins.  Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito.  He probably didn’t even notice I was an EV.

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“EVs are too expensive”. 
 

ABC. Always be complaining.

 

How about a Sportage sized SUV with 62kWh battery ( Kona territory) for $32k. Well, that’s $32k after incentives, so that’s going to be $38k without subsidies.   On paper that could undercut or match the MG ZS EV on price, but with 40% more battery.  Not bad.   Bjorn Nyland just got one for 4 days in Norway so we should get a proper EV expert review in the next week.  Very interesting.


Video quality is dodgy in places but it’s a decent introduction.

 

 

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