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Use this on 'yer discs:     It goes on easy, dries quick, and peels off in one simple light rubbery pull. ALWAYS use a fan once applied - it speeds up dry time dramatically,

rough and ready - nothing fancy, but here's a pour, spread, dry and pull of the glue mask for ya.   Glueing 101 (youTube link)     YMMV.     If you just want to see the g

@ThirdDrawerDown There's really no need to clean again after RV if you peel it off properly, which is easy if your careful. Don't waste your time.....in fact RV is so good, I wouldn't bother cleaning

So Ive tried the gum glue which was less stressful to remove and this.DSC_1425.thumb.JPG.cee88e91687b0809a536733e2140f91c.JPG

 

 

This is still PVA but is a happy medium between the strength of Aquadhere and the gum which I found could break up a bit as it was removed. I did have that problem on one side with this glue where I think I was a little frugal. It needs a decent film to hold together.

At this stage this is the go. $5 from Cheap as Chips.

It has completely revitalized two records that were going in the bin. From unlistenable with surface noise to very very good. Tolerable from me and I don't have much tolerance for any noise.

 

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Brilliant! I was about to post the question about which glue to use this morning, but had to do other stuff.
Something i did find that works- a lot of jumps are caused by a buildup of fly **** or other organic stuff. Soak the spot in a record cleaning solution for a few hours and “presto”

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10 minutes ago, Alpine Electrocats said:

Brilliant! I was about to post the question about which glue to use this morning, but had to do other stuff.
Something i did find that works- a lot of jumps are caused by a buildup of fly **** or other organic stuff. Soak the spot in a record cleaning solution for a few hours and “presto”

Yep, I always wet wash first to disolve those "snotty" globules. Then hit it with glue to pull the leftovers out of the grooves.

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Thanks to @candyflip for bringing this method and product to my attention.

 

I've done around 90 albums in the last few weeks and my records are bouncing back to life.  I'm a little OCD with it at the moment because I can't wait to hear them after a peel.

 

Cheers Buddy.

Ant.

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53 minutes ago, BuzzzFuzzz said:

Thanks to @candyflip for bringing this method and product to my attention.

 

yep.  thanks @candyflip  i've now got through the important things in my collection ... it's taken several months on and off, but hell it was worth the effort, mostly.

After a while i could hear which of the dirty albums were worth the time, and those that were just too far gone as result of my crappy gear and setups back in the dark ages and not worth the effort

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On 16/12/2018 at 5:36 PM, enikoy said:

Yep, I always wet wash first to disolve those "snotty" globules. Then hit it with glue to pull the leftovers out of the grooves.

I actually do it the other way around. Pull off all the crap with the glue and then a wash afterwards to rinse. But whatever way, it definitely works. 👍

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On 20/01/2019 at 11:01 AM, t_mike said:

And if you are willing to sign up to their e-mail list, the clear 1 gallon comes down to ~$32.  I've figured that I can do ~100 records both sides for a gallon.  

 

.... and yes, I've now got through several gallons of glue, which has fascinated my non-audiophile friends

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Thanks to @candyflip for turning me on to this amazing, cheap, way to improve my listening experience.

I'd like to add my discoveries as I've Glued my discs.

1. Don't over-press the card strips you use to lift The Glue. If the card is pressed too hard into the glue it can stick to the vinyl below, just float the card onto The Glue.

2. I've found that The Glue tends to leave a lot of static on my vinyl. You'll need a good anti-static device to counteract it.

3. Be aware that The Glue will stick to the outer edge of the vinyl, which is not removed by the first lift. I prefer to ensure my vinyl is comletely free of glue before playing it.

 

 

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@discette comments are spot on. 

 

I had the same experience pressing the tabs into the glue.  And, the edges were also difficult to clean up at times, but small bother really for recovering a nice piece of vinyl.

 

Also i found that they were streaky, cosmetically at least, and sometimes  static was an issue.  So I got into the habit of using a wet vacuum on them after removing the glue, put them in a fresh inner sleeve, and they are about as good as they are ever likely to be.

 

The other part of the process that I went for was to do both sides at once, and let the record dry balanced on an up-turned bowl or cup with newspaper below.  I didn't bother with a fan, but would leave them for 2 preferably 3 days  in an unused room.  I'd do a selection of 15 vinyl at time in one batch, which I could set up in one hour.  And it would take about 1.5 hrs to strip wash them afterwards & re-sleeve.  Overall, not too much of a pain for treasured recordings that I've had 30 - 40 years .  

 

The attached pic is an early dummy run with them drying on the dining table.  That didn't a high level of WAF, so I went for option B on the floor of the spare room. 

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26 minutes ago, lumholtzii said:

@discette comments are spot on. 

 

 I didn't bother with a fan, but would leave them for 2 preferably 3 days  in an unused room. 

But a small fan speeds things up a great deal.

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On 27/10/2018 at 1:37 PM, candyflip said:

rough and ready - nothing fancy, but here's a pour, spread, dry and pull of the glue mask for ya.

 

Glueing 101 (youTube link)  

 

YMMV.  

 

If you just want to see the glue mask come off, skip about 5 mins or so until the end... it's pretty brief.   :) 

And for those that missed it last year......

 

Glueing 101 (youTube link)  

 

 

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10 hours ago, discette said:

Thanks to @candyflip for turning me on to this amazing, cheap, way to improve my listening experience.

I'd like to add my discoveries as I've Glued my discs.

1. Don't over-press the card strips you use to lift The Glue. If the card is pressed too hard into the glue it can stick to the vinyl below, just float the card onto The Glue.

2. I've found that The Glue tends to leave a lot of static on my vinyl. You'll need a good anti-static device to counteract it.

3. Be aware that The Glue will stick to the outer edge of the vinyl, which is not removed by the first lift. I prefer to ensure my vinyl is comletely free of glue before playing it.

 

 

Can concur with all of that.

1. Definitely experienced that. Good advice.

2. A lot more with the gum than the PVA but I wash my records in my Knosti after I've removed the glue.

3. To address this I use a mirco fibre cloth dipped in cleaning fluid and run it around the edge of the record before running it my Knosti.

 

I generally do a side at a time over a couple of days but on the recent hot days I have put them in my bedroom on our bed under the ceiling fan and this dries them in a couple of hours. A fan really dos help if you are in a relative hurry.

 

I am doing around 8 records a week now. It has become so regular that my family doesn't even think I'm insane anymore.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, candyflip said:

And for those that missed it last year......

 

Glueing 101 (youTube link)  

 

 

Great vid and yes I did see it before.

FWIW I use a rubber floor mat (4 actually) that I got from Bunnings. The record doesn't rotate but its not a great issue. I generally run around the middle first with a plastic pain spatula. then I draw it from the center out and go around the record that way. I also put more tabs on than that and keep them more to the edge. It makes it easier when the skin gets a bit stuck to be able to pull from somewhere else. I do find the craft PVE holds itself together a bit better than gum. 👍

 

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49 minutes ago, crisis said:

 

I am doing around 8 records a week now. It has become so regular that my family doesn't even think I'm insane anymore.

 

that took a while for me .... they still think I'm kook 

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16 hours ago, discette said:

Thanks to @candyflip for turning me on to this amazing, cheap, way to improve my listening experience.

I'd like to add my discoveries as I've Glued my discs.

1. Don't over-press the card strips you use to lift The Glue. If the card is pressed too hard into the glue it can stick to the vinyl below, just float the card onto The Glue.

2. I've found that The Glue tends to leave a lot of static on my vinyl. You'll need a good anti-static device to counteract it.

3. Be aware that The Glue will stick to the outer edge of the vinyl, which is not removed by the first lift. I prefer to ensure my vinyl is comletely free of glue before playing it.

 

 

Just a comment on application method and point three....

 

While it's entirely up to you how you apply the glue, personally I would never use a credit card to spread out glue or RV (which I use) as Candyflip originally suggested, to me there's too much risk of vinyl damage. Sure you can be very 'careful' but mistakes can still be made. I use my finger to massage the RV (or glue if that's what you use) into the grooves in a circular motion. That makes point three moot, as you can control the edges much better when applying with your fingers and it virtually always all comes off with the first peel.....and yes, it is indeed wise to play an LP with no glue or RV residue present (if you care about your stylus)!😎😉

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There’s no risk with using a cardboard business card (which is what I use) as it’s flexible and light and wouldn’t scratch a piece of cheese.  I’ve also no interest in getting my fingers dirty. 😊

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5 minutes ago, candyflip said:

There’s no risk with using a cardboard business card (which is what I use) as it’s flexible and light and wouldn’t scratch a piece of cheese.  I’ve also no interest in getting my fingers dirty. 😊

 

My error @candyflip. I mistakenly thought you had suggested using a credit card. Business card.....fair enough.👍 I do like the concept of massaging it in though....fingers schmingers!😄

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Just now, stevoz said:

 

My error @candyflip. I mistakenly thought you had suggested using a credit card. Business card.....fair enough.👍 

I think I did say ‘credit card’ in the video, but meant business card. I wasn’t following a script and tripped over my words. 😋

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I think I did say ‘credit card’ in the video, but meant business card. I wasn’t following a script and tripped over my words. [emoji39]

 

The card that worked best for me was a thin and flexible plastic name card that they often use at conferences and workshops on a lanyard. Again it wouldnt scratch anything, and it’s the correct width to act as a squee-gee across all of the playable area in one go. I tried the paper business card, but they got a bit wet and soggy.

 

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Hey guys. 

 

I'm a finger spreader myself, although I haven't tried any other method.  I find great edge control and like Stevo, I think it helps to massage into the groove.

 

Reading the last few posts, I have to agree that I get some thin strips left behind on the outer edge.  I use the peeled skin to carefully rub them off, towards the edge, not along the edge.

 

My reason for this post is that I find a lot of static created by the peel, as mentioned above.  What can I do to counteract this??? 

Is it just a matter of more crap sticking to the surface, or does it affect playback at all??? 

I vacuum every record before spinning, so the crap is not really an issue.  My stylus is always pristine as I use a stylus brush with the vacuum held very close before each spin as well.

 

Cheers, Ant. 

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3 hours ago, BuzzzFuzzz said:

My reason for this post is that I find a lot of static created by the peel, as mentioned above.  What can I do to counteract this??? 

 

Yes I get this too. I wash my records in my knosti after peeling the glue which gets rid of the static.

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At a $2 Store today in Balaclava, VIC.

Saw this absolute stonking glue bargain (not sure how many times in my life I'm going to be saying THAT again!)  ;)

 

 

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This makes it just $5.98 per litre.

 

Haven't tried it out yet - it's Chinese, branded 'Dot Republic', 500 ml bottles.

 

I'll report back on it's cleaning properties.

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4 minutes ago, candyflip said:

At a $2 Store today in Balaclava, VIC.

Saw this absolute stonking glue bargain (not sure how many times in my life I'm going to be saying THAT again!)  ;)

 

 

Photo 31-3-19, 4 15 46 pm.jpg    Photo 31-3-19, 4 15 39 pm.jpg  

 

 

This makes it just $5.98 per litre.

 

Haven't tried it out yet - it's Chinese, branded 'Dot Republic', 500 ml bottles.

 

I'll report back on it's cleaning properties.

Thanks for that. 

Just reminded me that I have a few records that good do with a glue clean 

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23 hours ago, candyflip said:

At a $2 Store today in Balaclava, VIC.

Saw this absolute stonking glue bargain (not sure how many times in my life I'm going to be saying THAT again!)  ;)

 

 

Photo 31-3-19, 4 15 46 pm.jpg    Photo 31-3-19, 4 15 39 pm.jpg  

 

This makes it just $5.98 per litre.

Haven't tried it out yet - it's Chinese, branded 'Dot Republic', 500 ml bottles.

 

I'll report back on it's cleaning properties.

So I glued and peeled a side of a record overnight.

 

This glue is very viscous - when I rested the wax on the ironing board and had the fan blowing it to dry, I came back after a half hour and the glue had blown into a tall ridge on the side farthest away from the fan !  :tongue:   Had to scoop the glue back evenly across the record again, for the second round. Never seen that before.

 

But, it dried perfectly overnight, and I pulled it off in one nice easy strip, even on the thinnest parts of the coverage.

Have yet to listen to that side (it needs wet cleaning next) - but so far, so good.

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1 hour ago, candyflip said:

So I glued and peeled a side of a record overnight.

Have yet to listen to that side (it needs wet cleaning next) - but so far, so good.

Why do you wet wash after peeling @candyflip ? I 'peel and play' straight away!😉

 

Precautionary step re: possible glue residue?

 

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8 minutes ago, stevoz said:

Why do you wet wash after peeling @candyflip ? I 'peel and play' straight away!😉

 

Precautionary step re: possible glue residue?

 

Yes, any glue residue, and I don't wash first - so I'm hoping anything not picked up by the glue mask (fingerprints and oils) are washed out by the wet clean.

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9 hours ago, shawnwes said:

Each to their own cleaning method but how do you know that all of the glue is coming out of the grooves?

I guess the only way to know that for sure would be to microscopically view it, which I don't have the equipment to do.

So I just listen to the difference (no pops, cracks, or other noise anymore) and trust that everything put into the grooves, and lots that was clearly already there, has come out when the film is torn off the surface.

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9 hours ago, shawnwes said:

Each to their own cleaning method but how do you know that all of the glue is coming out of the grooves?

You play the record.....and hear the difference. I use RV, not glue but in my experience, it all comes out. I have only experienced a little residue being left behind on the LP outer edge (from peeling too quickly) and it comes off easily with a wipe with the film you have just peeled off. I can guarantee you no glue/RV gets left in the tracks......the results could not be this good.👍

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3 hours ago, stevoz said:

You play the record.....and hear the difference. I use RV, not glue but in my experience, it all comes out. I have only experienced a little residue being left behind on the LP outer edge (from peeling too quickly) and it comes off easily with a wipe with the film you have just peeled off. I can guarantee you no glue/RV gets left in the tracks......the results could not be this good.👍

I have found the Record Revirginiser product to be a great last resort clean. I usually use ultrasonic with RCM and Melody Mate which works most of the time and when it doesn’t the RV product takes it to another level. 

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Have given the glue clean my first try today. I think I need to get myself a lazy Suzan to make things easier. Pics below were when I first applied but I have now come back a couple of hours later and found that the glue has gone to one side more that the other. First lesson, make sure my table is level. Looking forward to removal and test tomorrow. Thanks to all for info in this thread.

By the way this gum glue cost 8 big ones at office works for 500ml. See how it goes.
Cheers,
Russ
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19 minutes ago, Rustee said:

Have given the glue clean my first try today. I think I need to get myself a lazy Suzan to make things easier. Pics below were when I first applied but I have now come back a couple of hours later and found that the glue has gone to one side more that the other. First lesson, make sure my table is level. Looking forward to removal and test tomorrow. Thanks to all for info in this thread.

By the way this gum glue cost 8 big ones at office works for 500ml. See how it goes.
Cheers,
Russ
 

You need a fan Russ, or you'll be there all weekend.

A little fan, as in my video, will exponentially speed up your drying routine and will take just a few hours total.

 

Lazy susans (or 'cake displays') are available cheap at IKEA.

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