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Use this on 'yer discs:

 

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It goes on easy, dries quick, and peels off in one simple light rubbery pull.

ALWAYS use a fan once applied - it speeds up dry time dramatically, in all conditions, meaning you can do more sides in a session.

 

The sound afterwards is generally being reported as superior to other glues and methods. That is certainly my experience.

 

I get mine from Art Shed in Warrigal Rd Moorabbin (VIC) who always have 10+ in stock @$2.95 a pop.

 

Thanks to SNA member @@enikoy, for the original 'Einstein moment' with his 5 year old!   :)

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Use this on 'yer discs:     It goes on easy, dries quick, and peels off in one simple light rubbery pull. ALWAYS use a fan once applied - it speeds up dry time dramatically,

rough and ready - nothing fancy, but here's a pour, spread, dry and pull of the glue mask for ya.   Glueing 101 (youTube link)     YMMV.     If you just want to see the g

@ThirdDrawerDown There's really no need to clean again after RV if you peel it off properly, which is easy if your careful. Don't waste your time.....in fact RV is so good, I wouldn't bother cleaning

I second the MM!

 

 

I got mine on ebay for $2 + $3 shipping.

 

 

If your using glue's to clean up the rice bubbles,you have to try this.It almost feels like Record Revirginizer.dry's fast,Spreds well,peels well,non-toxic and cheap as.

 

I also give a big thumbs up to enikoy!  This will be my go to vinyl facemask.

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How do you apply it?

Soft brush maybe?

Wash your hands,and apply with your fingers.Massaging it in as you go.I also find i can be more precise using my fingers.If your not happy to do that,buy some of those gloves tattoo artists use.

 

Its non toxic,and it wash's off in water.That is how i do it.It comes off your hands in seconds in water.

 

I spose you could use a brush,but it would have to be good quality IMO.

 

If you want to see how to do it,just watch the RR video because the process is exactely the same.

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Finally got it to work!

 

Tip: don't be afraid to push hard on the glue to get it fully into the grooves.

 

Mont Marte glue washes off, so I use my fingers to spread it.

 

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I have been using this and have been very impressed with the results. 

I had a few issues of the glue not coming out completely but that was due to me applying less than needed.

 

I buy my from the local $2 store for $2.50 a bottle.   

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The sound afterwards is generally being reported as superior to other glues and methods. That is certainly my experience.

 

 

If your using glue's to clean up the rice bubbles,you have to try this.It almost feels like Record Revirginizer.dry's fast,Spreds well,peels well,non-toxic and cheap as.

 

 

You can apply it the Record Revirginiser way:

 

But I apply the woodglue way:

 

Gentlemen,

What is the general feeling on how this compares to using an RCM?

I've got the Kiwi RCM, and am very pleased with the results I get.  I imagine the RCM would be an advantage when you have a large number of LPs to do, which was the case with me when I first got it.  

However, if this MM glue method gives the same, or better, results, then I would probably use it for when I only had a couple of LPs to clean, rather than have to get the machine out.

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Gentlemen,

What is the general feeling on how this compares to using an RCM?

I've got the Kiwi RCM, and am very pleased with the results I get.  I imagine the RCM would be an advantage when you have a large number of LPs to do, which was the case with me when I first got it.  

However, if this MM glue method gives the same, or better, results, then I would probably use it for when I only had a couple of LPs to clean, rather than have to get the machine out.

 

Good question!  I'm pretty tempted to give this stuff a whirl.  The results from my RCM are generally top notch, but it's as noisy as buggery and I can't listen to records while I clean.  With the MM approach I can.

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Which glue is this?

I'm inclined to think it's this one (Mont Marte Clear School Glue) : http://www.artshedonline.com.au/mont-marte-clear-school-glue-147ml-washable/

 

Or is it this? (PVA Clear Craft Glue) : http://www.artshedonline.com.au/mont-marte-pva-clear-drying-craft-glue-1-litre/

 

Thanks,

Ananth

 

The top one- Mont Marte clear school Glue :thumb:

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if you get some stuck to the record you can either reapply and peel or wash it off in the sink with dishwashing liquid / water and a clean brush. I use a shaving brush specifically bought for cleaning records. $2 shops have them.

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I wish they made these packs bigger - in about a 2 litre bottle would be nice.

With the amount I use to ensure a good even coverage, it costs me about 50 cents a record to do at present.

 

Would prefer if I could get that down to 1-15 cents, and do more of my collection that needs it but that I can't justify the 50 cents on!  

 

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As the original test-bunny for the Montmarte glue (and sometimes Titebonder..) I have to admit that I have pretty much reverted to manually wet washing my vinyl acquisitions.

 

Mainly because it is a quicker start to finish process and my technique seems to have been improved to a point where the wet wash gets consistently good results.

 

I save the glues for the following situations:

 

Montmarte - vinyl which post wet wash has some residual/residue noise in quiet passages. I can differentiate this from other causes by ear now.

 

Titebond II - vinyl which has probably had a hard life and wet wash hasn't improved it greatly. Sometimes works amazingly, sometimes does nothing at all :-)

 

No matter the process, my friends are still amazed how much a record can be improved with a bit of cleaning!

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@@enikoy  I have a few LP's which have been through a wet wash, then run over my RCM but are still a bit crackly.  Does Montmarte clear up the residual crackles in your experience?  Some are still unbearably crackly - are you suggesting Montmarte isn't much chop for these LP's that have had a harder life?

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Nothing is going to fix physical damage to the grooves. If it is some remnant dirt that the RCM hasn't shifted, it's worth a try with the glue, only one way to find out if it will help :-)

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Just tried this Mont Marte gel glue on one of the store's trusty demo records (highly thrashed and gross), and I have to say I am most impressed!

 

It doesn't have the elasticity of Record Revirginizer when peeling off, but it's certainly better than wood glue.

 

Can't argue with the quality of the clean, and it dried significantly quicker than any RR cleans I've done.

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55 minutes ago, candyflip said:

Ladies and Gents... the turntable you all need for effective wood/Montmarte School Glue/Gel, glueing.

http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/40176460/?query=SNUDDA+Lazy+Susan 

The turntable I use for cleaning was free on a roadside collection, and was a "record player" turntable, not a "hifi" turntable, so it has found a higher purpose.  It has a spindle which the Ikea doesn't. 

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10 hours ago, audiofeline said:

The turntable I use for cleaning was free on a roadside collection, and was a "record player" turntable, not a "hifi" turntable, so it has found a higher purpose.  It has a spindle which the Ikea doesn't. 

 

Yes, much better if you can find an old one.

I had one I paid $10 for, for awhile. But then lost it in a house move.

 

So, IKEA has provided an answer for me.

I'll probably cut a small rubber mat to size from Bunnings, and place that on top.

That will alleviate the need for a spindle.

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The best way I've found to spread the glue is to apply it while turntable is on and make a big spiral from inside > out. Also get an old fly buys or similar card and carefully spread the glue while the turntable is on, from inside out. Gives a nice smooth coat which aids in drying.

 

Also, looks like Cheap as Chips sell the Mont Marte stuff now for $3 a bottle.

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11 hours ago, tallman5353 said:

The best way I've found to spread the glue is to apply it while turntable is on and make a big spiral from inside > out. Also get an old fly buys or similar card and carefully spread the glue while the turntable is on, from inside out. Gives a nice smooth coat which aids in drying.

 

Also, looks like Cheap as Chips sell the Mont Marte stuff now for $3 a bottle.

The problem is, to replace your stylus isn't 'cheap as chips' and this is a real possibility with using Mont Marte craft glue, as it apparently dries harder than Revirginizer and any residue left on the record risks taking your diamond straight off the cantilever. Ouch! This will never happen with Revirginizer. Sometimes the cheap alternative is not always the way to go. Tread carefully! Also, think carefully about using a "fly buys card"....you are spreading something on a delicate vinyl record, not spreading tile glue on a piece of cement sheet! This spreading method is fraught with danger and a risk to your precious grooves. Pouring a circle of RV around the middle of the LP (I sit the LP on a platter that has been removed from my former TT, ie: it's stationary) and spreading with your finger in a circular motion is a much safer and more accurate way to go. Good luck! :thumb:

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Further extolling the virtues of this cleaning method, I received an "excellent + " copy of 'Rio' Duran Duran the other day and after playing it, I thought it's good to very good at best. Quite crackly, mainly random crackles, not cyclical. After treating with RV, it was near mint or better and sounded spectacular. I have 'saved' many used LP purchases using RV. Craft and wood glues will likely give similar results.....just make sure you get ALL the residue off, otherwise going cheap could end up very expensive as explained in my previous post.:thumb:

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12 hours ago, tallman5353 said:

The best way I've found to spread the glue is to apply it while turntable is on and make a big spiral from inside > out. Also get an old fly buys or similar card and carefully spread the glue while the turntable is on, from inside out. Gives a nice smooth coat which aids in drying.

 

Also, looks like Cheap as Chips sell the Mont Marte stuff now for $3 a bottle.

I use a bunky old TT for the job and I apply it with a 1" paint brush.  After I've applied the glue I then put on two small pieces of paper near the record edge, about 120mm apart, which I use lifting tabs.  I can't imagine using a credit card type applicator.  The paint brush actually massages the glue into grooves and I get a fairly constant, thin spread, over the record surface.  When the glue has dried I carefully lift both tabs at the same time and pull the glue skin off in one single piece with no remnants (residue) left.

39 minutes ago, stevoz said:

The problem is, to replace your stylus isn't 'cheap as chips' and this is a real possibility with using Mont Marte craft glue, as it apparently dries harder than Revirginizer and any residue left on the record risks taking your diamond straight off the cantilever. Ouch! This will never happen with Revirginizer. Sometimes the cheap alternative is not always the way to go. Tread carefully! Also, think carefully about using a "fly buys card"....you are spreading something on a delicate vinyl record, not spreading tile glue on a piece of cement sheet! This spreading method is fraught with danger and a risk to your precious grooves. Pouring a circle of RV around the middle of the LP (I sit the LP on a platter that has been removed from my former TT, ie: it's stationary) and spreading with your finger in a circular motion is a much safer and more accurate way to go. Good luck! :thumb:

There is no problem that I've encountered using the Mont Marte as I described as above.  IME the glue dries to a very thin layer of skin, and peels off in a single piece effortlessly.  It literally looks like a shedded snake skin! I'm pretty anal about my record and stylus care and am 100% confident that neither are compromised using this method.  The record surfaces come out looking mint!  I do agree about NOT using a credit card applicator though.  

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I glued an already washed copy of Cat Steve's 'Teaser and the Firecat' last week which was in not to bad a shape visually, but had noticeable constant low level noise when I played it through the first time. So I figured it was just in-grained dust, smoke and grit and gel glued each side to see what turned up.

 

The difference on playing a second time was remarkable - the damn thing plays with the silence of a CD, and there are times when this copy (which is now 45 years old) would beat any new pressing for clarity and enjoyment (pity the ratty cover can't be returned as easily to the same former glory!). I re-discovered this album, over the weekend. An old standard like 'Morning Has Broken', sounded so fresh.

 

Gel glue sure ain't the only way, but for me it is 100% worth the effort.

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2 hours ago, scuzzii said:

would you use a RCM after the glue process or its not required?

 

I use my Nitty Gritty Record Cleaning Machine before and after gluing. Before: to get rid of as much loose rubbish as practicable. After: in case there's residue from gluing.

 

When I get an ultrasonic I'll do the same, as my starting position for a record cleaning method..

 

Montmarte glue occasionally has a sloppy removal, where some of the glue stays behind.  This is easily seen, and if it's too hard to remove then I just re-glue over the top, and the residue from the first application comes off when you pull the new application off.

 

 

 

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@ThirdDrawerDown There's really no need to clean again after RV if you peel it off properly, which is easy if your careful. Don't waste your time.....in fact RV is so good, I wouldn't bother cleaning beforehand either.:) I peel, inspect and it's straight to the platter to check the magic......if any residue is left (very rare) I just use the just peeled off film to carefully rub these off, they're usually on the outer edge.:thumb: @Scuzzii: Don't forget to put one or two paper tabs on the freshly laid RV film at the records edge to aid removal or you'll never get it off without record damage.

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Candy, Getting ready for another sale? :)

 

did not realise the glue was transparent. somehow I was expecting it to be white.

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36 minutes ago, metal beat said:

Candy, Getting ready for another sale? :)

 

did not realise the glue was transparent. somehow I was expecting it to be white.

When am I not?  I always make sure its in the best condition it can possibly be in (although of course, not everything needs it, thank god!!!)  :P

 

All the gel glues we use are clear...the PVC ones are white. I'm not using them anymore, as the gel is so much easier to use.

And just as effective.

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