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At work they test & tag and even hose's like air lines ,steam hose & N2 hoses need to be tested .

 Question guys .

Test & tag is carried out to check for faults but isn't it a different testing procedure for testing a product if it complies to relevant law's .

 

Cheers 

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At work they test & tag and even hose's like air lines ,steam hose & N2 hoses need to be tested .

 Question guys .

Test & tag is carried out to check for faults but isn't it a different testing procedure for testing a product if it complies to relevant law's .

 

Cheers 

 

 

Test and tag certifies that the device is safe from electrical perspective ... that the operator will not be killed. 

 

It does not test the emissions of the device - RF radiation or conducted emissions that may effect nearby or connected equipment.

 

The test and tag is at least affordable for low volume gear. The compliance tests are expensive and sometimes destructive.

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The test and tag is at least affordable for low volume gear. The compliance tests are expensive and sometimes destructive.

To get my amps cert ,I was looking at $2K

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To get my amps cert ,I was looking at $2K

That's a lot more than the 20 or 30 mentioned above. What's scope of testing for $2k?

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That's a lot more than the 20 or 30 mentioned above. What's scope of testing for $2k?

Don't know I didn't go ahead . I think full safty testing and "C" ticked .Maybe worth it if I was going build and sell as a boutique manufacturer , like the word Boutique :D . My tech mate tests all my gear for my personal use .

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A rule worth remembering, if you selling a piece of mains powered equipment to ANYBODY, once you've demonstrated the the item is working, cut the mains plug off before you hand it over. It is then the buyers responsibility to have a suitably qualified and certified person to fit a new plug and then the responsiblity for the safety of the product falls on that person. It is important you cut the cord outer insulation and all and not remove the plug leaving bare wire ends. keep the severed plug and cord, you may need it as evidence if things go badly.

I think you mean a DIY piece of equipment?  I cannot see the necessity to take this action for all equipment.  It may be I'm reading your statment out-of-context?

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Or you could throw it in the garbage.  Along with the broken glasses/bottles, rotten food, rusty nails and out of code medicines.  Less effort too.

You're right in general, but I have 3 young kids, there's no knowing what they will get up to :-)

Regards,

SS

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A rule worth remembering, if you selling a piece of mains powered equipment to ANYBODY, once you've demonstrated the the item is working, cut the mains plug off before you hand it over. It is then the buyers responsibility to have a suitably qualified and certified person to fit a new plug and then the responsiblity for the safety of the product falls on that person. It is important you cut the cord outer insulation and all and not remove the plug leaving bare wire ends. keep the severed plug and cord, you may need it as evidence if things go badly.

 

And don't forget to wear your Aluminum Foil Deflector Beanie (AFDB). :ph34r:

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Don't know I didn't go ahead . I think full safty testing and "C" ticked .Maybe worth it if I was going build and sell as a boutique manufacturer , like the word Boutique :D . My tech mate tests all my gear for my personal use .

You got mates.

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Couple of issues here which may or may not be of interest..

 

1. you don't have to be qualified or licenced to fit a mains plug. It's classed as an appliance if it's plugged in to an outlet, so most of the restrictions don't apply.

 

2. you don't have to be qualified to do testing and tagging - only being considered "competent" is adequate. So if you know what you're doing, it's all good.

 

This is advice from our company's Electrical Contractor nominee, so I don't think he would stake his licence on bad advice.

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As far as replacing cords/plug of an existing certified appliance, I believe this is legal in most states for a unlicenced person to do.

It is still illegal to make your own devices and connect them to the mains supply without having them certified.

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Just some comments regarding testing and tagging and electrical safety.

The "test and tag" standard AS3760 was promulgated to cover testing of electrical equipment that is used in either a work environment (workplace) or where the public may be exposed to electrical equipment, such as a motel, school, hostel etc. It does not invalidate or bypass the requirement for any type of electrical equipment to comply with its relevant safety standards for design and construction.

The scheme provides for regular checking of "design compliant" equipment in the areas mentioned in order to minimise the chance of wear and tear, damage etc on such equipment leading to an unsafe condition.

Testing and tagging cannot take the place of certification of electrical safety compliance (design and construction) of any electrical equipment. For example, a DYI product may pass a test and tag test, but still be deemed to be unsafe (and potentially lethal) if assessed against its relevant product safety standard.

Of course performing a test and tag test will give some level of comfort, but would provide no defence if something unfortunate occurred due to he product not conforming to its relevant product safety standard.

Cheers

John

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Hi Steve,

Nearly all household appliances (apart from audio gear funnily enough) are required have local safety certification. It is illegal to sell household product without such certification. Ignore this requirement and Import at your own risk

Frankly speaking, buying non compliant electrical product of uncertain origin and construction and performance from overseas via ebay or the Internet and using it in your home is akin (IMHO) to playing Russian roulette with your family..... Just sayin.

I have been involved in electrical/electronic product design and manufacture for nearly 40 years (including Standards Committee representation for half that time) and sometimes there are no second chances when product safety is involved. Safety standards are written for a purpose, and it is not just to make compliant product more expensive.

Cheers

John

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If you extrapolate this to people carrying out DIY automobile restorations, 

 

Straw man alert.

 

There are very clear rules associated with car modifications in each state.  At  certain points one must get licensed people involved.  

 

To pick an example  I cannot legally replace the exhaust system on five year old car/motorcycle with any old piping.  It needs to include the cat/con (or similar) plus noise management elements.

 

Now we do have a problem with policing of these sort of rules (particularly with a certain brand of American motorcycle) but it does not affect the legality

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Hi Steve,

Nearly all household appliances (apart from audio gear funnily enough) are required have local safety certification. It is illegal to sell household product without such certification. Ignore this requirement and Import at your own risk....

Cheers

John

Hi John,

I don't understand why audio equipment is exempt? Does this include HiFi power conditioning & power distribution products? There are USA products that are rated for our voltage supply but use US receptacles as outputs and IEC connector as input. Surely, these products are approved for use here?

How about consumers using imported product on step-down transformers? Eg, computer and office equipment, Hi-Fi etc. The expatriate that brings their house container here and plugs into the Australian supply. The enthusiast that imports vintage electrical equipment. Much of it USA 120v or Jap 100v... And what about all of that universal Hong Kong stuff flooding our ports?

The importer has declared the goods with Harmonized codes and country of manufacture origin, the electrical goods are allowed past customs into the country. The only thing customs seem to give a damn about is collecting the GST and any applicable duties. The exception being alcohol, tobacco, prohibitive or dangerous goods. So I can forget about that low powered laser pointer, cross-bow or depleted uranium rod, but electrical goods not rated for our supply and/or not approved with some sort of tick mark is OK. Vintage too. Jaycar or Dick Smith will sell me a big step-down transformer to run all manner of appliances. But once I've plugged the honking big heavy step-down transformer into the supply, it is no longer covered by any warranty should something go wrong... But I suppose my insurer will cover it because the step-down transformer was approved and sold by an Australian importer and retailer. Yes? I think it has some sort of compliance mark or two, whatever they represent...

We have lots of bureaucracy, state based electrical jurisdictions, Australian Standards guidelines, ACMA, A-Tick, C-Tick, and now RCM, the various recognised certification agencies, an ERAC database that is basically empty. EESS transitioning by the states except NSW because they want to trade fairer? How is the consumer supposed to know what the f# is what, when it comes to electrical equipment compliance and the regulation of electrical safety in this country. After all, basically everything is imported, nothing is Made In Australia anymore. It's a dog's breakfast.

I bet you the average Australian doesn't even know that we switched down to 230v nominal supply in year 2000 in an effort to become more compatible with the rest of the free world. But if I plug a voltage tester into my house's wall receptacle, I will get a stable 251v day in, day out. Much higher than the recognised 240v. I wonder how my new compulsory smart meter run by the electrical retailer rogue likes to calculate the charge for the above nominal voltage boost dissipation... All I know is that my power bill jumped by 33% the day they put that smart meter in.... Needless to say, the EM readings on the new WiFi box is higher than the old spinner. Not to worry, it's only hanging off the wall adjoining our bedroom and we are coping with the sleep apnoea. I understand how important it is for them to know what time of the day I use my toaster. Soon we will have a peak tariff to match toaster consumption, but they won't care about where I imported the trendy red toaster machine from. If it has eBay tape on the carton and costs less than $1,000, then it has the import tick of approval.

Consumers sell second-hand electrical equipment all of the time. Who polices that? How do they know I used it to make Australian toast? Do I need to test and tag my toaster before I sell it to my mother-in-law? I forgot to mention that my red toaster has a built-in radio.

To those of the general population who are reading this. Post an acknowledgement if you now have questions or concerns regarding the use of any electrical equipment whether that be for electrical consumption on or off grid. Do you think the Australian Federal Government should take complete statutory jurisdiction of all legislation and unify electrical use and safety in this country with a single set of regulations? A single Australian compliance mark that everyone recognises? Consistent Federal Legislation beyond Australian Standards that were written to guide the States with their independent legislation. By which the States would cede their jurisdiction control and allow for the complete Federalisation of a single unified Electricity Law. The application of Federal Electricity Law to encourage better public awareness and to promote other Federal Government initiatives, such as tighter importation and border control? Perhaps even go so far as to foster innovation incentive and rekindle "Made in Australia" once again?

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No arguments from me about safety Thoglette, it is of utmost importance.

However, the reality is you are either In the game or not in the game. You might as well tell the 200,000+ tinkerers on DIYAudio.com to stop tinkering or tell all the car hobbyists and home renovators to stop renovating. It's a hobby and the aim is to reach high without the commercial costs attached to such projects.

Steve

 

   most "hobbyists" stay well within the boundaries of the law in home renovation.   You particularly picked "car restorations" and I'm not aware of any legal issues relating to returning a vehicle to stock condition. 

 

 Modification of vehicles are another matter - particularly engine mods on post '88 cars - the legality of these are arguable.   And there's plenty of defect notices being issued to negate any argument that there is no policing of the rules regarding car modifications.  

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