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WTB: Pioneer KRP-500M Plasma Monitor

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There is no doubt the Kuros were and still are great sets. I just cant see how they can top a current VT or ZT Panasonic unit when you consider that Panasonic hired Pioneers best plasma engineers once they pulled the pin....now several years ago.

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Haha. Panasonic bought pioneers Kuro patents, their engineers and have had several years to work their majic....but hey they still cant cut it, I rest my case!

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do you like repeating your self ? :D 

repeating your self doesn't achieve anything unless you just want to ram your message down someones throat :D

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How do you know they don't cut it ?

Looking at one in a showroom under bright fluorescent lighting would be pointless. ...would have to get one home and run tests on it side by side with your own panel to be a fair comparison.

 

mark perhaps you dont know that I have not only owned plasma TVs for over ten years but also as an enthusiast constantly been on the look out of what there is on the display market over that period. I don't make judgement only in a shop no. there are retailers that actually take time out to calibrate displays. and no am not talking about your local box mover. and I also happen to know people with displays, all of whom take trouble to have them appropriately setup to demo.

 

do you own a calibrated kuro that you have done tests side but side with your own panel to make a fair comparison ?

 

obviously if have read any of the posts in this thread you would see there are panels out there that people believe to be the ducks nuts. the op is very obviously looking for a pioneer kuro. there is a reason for this, and I for one can totally understand. maybe you don't as a panasonic owner, but perhaps maybe something to accept that people do value the kuros. just because you think your panel is better doesn't change that fact sorry.

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I bought my first Pioneer TV back in 1997 so I win :nana .....a 50 inch widescreen RPTV.

Then bought a Pioneer plasma ....505 iirc , then upgraded to a 507 then finally to a Pioneer Kuro 508.

 

Going from memory , not side by side,  but the VT60 is far superior to the 508 Kuro.......theres lots of professional reviews out there showing that the black level and contrast and overall picture quality of them is measurably superior to the final gen 9 Kuros.

 

Thats good enough for me , and they don't cost $14,000 as the last gen 9 , 60 inch Kuros did here in Perth .

 

Last post on the topic though as clearly not the place to discuss here .....but in my defence , I didn't start it.

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Many posts, has anyone posting actually tried to provide the OP with what he wants?

I hope somebody does.

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I bought my first Pioneer TV back in 1997 so I win :nana .....a 50 inch widescreen RPTV.

Then bought a Pioneer plasma ....505 iirc , then upgraded to a 507 then finally to a Pioneer Kuro 508.

 

Going from memory , not side by side,  but the VT60 is far superior to the 508 Kuro.......theres lots of professional reviews out there showing that the black level and contrast and overall picture quality of them is measurably superior to the final gen 9 Kuros.

 

Thats good enough for me , and they don't cost $14,000 as the last gen 9 , 60 inch Kuros did here in Perth .

 

Last post on the topic though as clearly not the place to discuss here .....but in my defence , I didn't start it.

 

really ? sorry 2004 was me…but I was looking for TVs before that :P had CRT before, no RPTV for me ! :D

 

early pioneers I thought were ok. and the pioneers came a huge way since and subsequent kuros too, even up from the 508 ! don't accept your point re the gen 9 and the pana's but respect it is your view :)

 

and ps, don't know about the 60" but it wasn't anything like $14,000 for my krp-500M, the rep was $5999 from memory. though who pays retail :)

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had a look at the 65 inch VT60 today at JB.    Sitting wedged between just as large 4k LCD's shows in showroom conditions why plasma does not sell.  Looked dark and dull in direct comparison.  I am not sure the Pany had anything done with it, it was not that impressive on the show room floor. 

 

Of course those that own plasmas know that in you own home the better refresh rates, slightly more natural picture and better movement is what you buy plasma for.

 

  Anyway, I was less than impressed with the build quality of the Pany 65 inch. The glass seemed to be very thin and hollow compared to my Kuro 50 inch.  The Pioneer build quality is a lot better than the Pany.

 

Now tossing up whether to get a 65 inch Pany or just stick with my 50 inch Pioneer Kuro which I love. And wait for 4k OLED TV's to get cheaper?

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could do what I do...keep the pio krp-500M as its a beautifull plasma for FTA TV and daytime viewing and such. If craving a bigger picture grab a projector...then screen size isnt a limitation and can sit at a distance to fully resolve Hight definition and full immersion to THX spec. go with a motorised projector screen infront of the pioneer and you get best of both worlds :)

 

pio kuro for every day use TV and day time viewing...

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screen down for the big screen experience...

 

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Nice setup Al, however I have zero interest in a projector or home theatre.  My HiFi and music takes priority over HT every day of every week.

 

 I was only looking at perhaps getting a larger 65 inch screen for FTA/Foxtel and the odd movie while I could still buy the supposed best plasma picture.    

 

But compared to the luxury build of the Pioneer Kuro 508 vs the cheap looking VT60 and build of the Pany VT60 65 inch, I think I will keep the Kuro in the TV room for quite a while yet  :)  I am more than happy with the 50 inch pq and sound I am getting from the Kuro, while I am sure I will be disappointed with the sound of the Pany and perhaps a little happier with the picture?

 

Cheers

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The pana is far from cheap looking lol and while the sound is actually very good ,who listens to tv through the tv speakers these days anyhow haha??

If you are happy with your set why even ask the question to begin with?

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I've seen both Panasonics

I have a Kuro

You're wrong :nana

 

I own both a Kuro and a VT   ;)

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Nice setup. What is the stand holding the Kuro?

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The pana is far from cheap looking lol and while the sound is actually very good ,who listens to tv through the tv speakers these days anyhow haha??

If you are happy with your set why even ask the question to begin with?

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Do you read?

 

Did you hear the news flash, Panasonic no longer make Plasma - out of business, gone.  That is the only reason I went and looked while you can still buy one.  

 

 

Good that you are happy with the VT, but compared to the Kuro build quality is not as good.  Pany got me feeling meh and I was quite happy to buy one :eek:  

 The sq out of the Kuro speakers are fine for what I use it for - watching tv. I will leave watching the rugby league and news in 7.1 for you ht boys  ;)

 

Cheers

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I own both a Kuro and a VT   ;)

 

That was my plan as well, still might be as not a large fan of LCD,  perhaps I need to reset my expectations on the Pany build quality.

 

Which do you think has better built quality Kuro 508 or VT?  Tap the glass.

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Nice setup. What is the stand holding the Kuro?

 

selby articulated wall mount :)

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I do read well thanks and know that pana are no longer making plasma sets.

I only asked the question as your initial post saying you were tossing up between your kuro and a new vt set and deciding to keep your kuro were only 2 hours apart...

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