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this some might find interesting,

 

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-kuro-201305283044.htm

 

"But there remained a surprise in the box (which was mentioned earlier). You see, in it sat a Pioneer KRP-500A that was kindly loaned by one of our regular forum members, and had been calibrated by THX-certified calibrator Julian Scott (who also worked his magic on all the televisions on display). For those who don’t know, the KRP is widely regarded as the best in breed of the Kuro lineage, promising even lower minimum luminance level (MLL) than the LX series. It’s the Ferrari 250 GTO, the Lionel Messi, the Jessica Alba-equivalent in the Kuro world.

There’s only one problem – the KRP-500A did not come with a table-top stand or wall bracket. Without any way to support the screen securely, the organisers even flirted with the thought of keeping the TV in its box, never to be unleashed for the day. Fortunately, they eventually decided to take advantage of a spare moment (when the crowd’s attention was fully focused on a live demonstration of basic calibration conducted by Julian and our chief reviewer David Mackenzie) to prop the plasma screen on some chairs.

richer-krp.jpg

And it was truly worth it. The Kuro KRP exhibited a deeper shade of black than any of the TVs on show: for once, the black bezel (shown up by a tiny amount of stray light) was actually more visible to my eye than the letterbox bars. This is without doubt the deepest blacks I’ve seen from a calibrated flat-panel television to date – the unrivalled amount of dynamic range and pop made me wish I could revisit all the movies I’ve already watched on the KRP-500A again, even though the Panasonic ZT, VT and Samsung F8500 had a slight edge when it came to colour saturation (afforded by better calibration controls) and motion resolution.

I was so astounded by the KRP’s black-level performance, that I immediately asked the owner where he bought his set, and whether it was specially tweaked with voltage or firmware adjustments. The answer to the first question was Sevenoaks (a high-end home cinema retailer in the UK); and to the second, no.

We’ve seen a few Kuro KRPs in the field and in trade shows, but none performed to this level. The running theory proffered by David was that according to some industry insiders, before Pioneer ended its plasma production run, a selected batch of 50-inch KRP models actually contained modules and driver software intended for the third generation of Kuros (10G in Pioneer PDP speak) featuring “Infinite Black” technology, which, of course, ultimately never saw the light of day. The outstanding sample we were lucky enough to lay eyes upon over the weekend might have come from such a batch (affectionately referred to as 9.5G among informed Kuro owners).

Interestingly, both Pioneer Kuro owners who loaned their sets (the PDP-LX6090 and the KRP-500A) for the event said that they would rather keep their existing televisions after seeing the ZT65, VT65 and F8500 in action, but conceded that the ZT is the closest yet Panasonic has come to dethroning the Kuro as far as black level is concerned. In a straw poll of the attendees at a Q&A session towards the end, when asked which of the currently available TV would they buy if money was no object, almost everyone (including David and me) chose the Panasonic TX-P60ZT65."

yes the king still lives....in exile.... :D

I hope mine never dies ! :) 

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There is no doubt the Kuros were and still are great sets. I just cant see how they can top a current VT or ZT Panasonic unit when you consider that Panasonic hired Pioneers best plasma engineers once they pulled the pin....now several years ago.

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There is no doubt the Kuros were and still are great sets. I just cant see how they can top a current VT or ZT Panasonic unit when you consider that Panasonic hired Pioneers best plasma engineers once they pulled the pin....now several years ago.

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oh i can see why, the pioneers were just not a viable prospect going forward. as someone desrcibed it, a mercedes benz in a market that only wanted to pay for toyotas and hyundia's...they probably could make the panasonics as good as the pioneer kuros were...but end up costing the same and it just wouldnt be viable... even the viability of cheapo plasmas now days are a concern still...which gives some clues to the state of the market.  :)

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what yet to see on any display is the fade to black that the kuro does...where the black on screen blends into the piano black of the bezel...

 

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I call it "Kuro blacks" :D

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Haha. I wouldn't label the VT and ZT series cheap. With the availability and competitive nature of components now due to the change in demand, TV's are also a lot cheaper for manufacturers to build now ;)

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I thought they were going to stop making plasmas sometime soon?

Is that still the case?

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As far as I know, you're right.  I saw several press releases online saying that Panasonic was giving plasma production away.  Go into one of the big "box movers" today and try and find a plasma screen, especially a big one.  LCD has more or less taken over completely.  That's a pity, IMHO, since LCD will never be as good as plasma for light controlled watching and for movies.

 

I'd like to see one of LG's new OLED screens in a light controlled environment.  At any rate, that's what I'll be waiting for when my Kuro finally shuffles off.  Hopefully that won't happen anytime soon.  The LG 55 inch OLED is down to $5k at Hardly Normal already.  I think it was introduced at $8k.

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what yet to see on any display is the fade to black that the kuro does...where the black on screen blends into the piano black of the bezel...

 

14342907382_42a242a4b4_b.jpg

 

14342908282_7b1c232248_b.jpg

 

I call it "Kuro blacks" :D

Those images are making me envious Al! Hey, it's not up for sale is it? ;)

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Buy yourself a Panasonic set, while they are still available. Dont get sucked into buying an old TV which would be on its last legs with parts not as readily available.

Its a bit like the apple v android debate. Apple fan boys refuse to believe they have been left behind by android. They just simply refuse to let go ; )

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this some might find interesting,

 

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-kuro-201305283044.htm

 

"But there remained a surprise in the box (which was mentioned earlier). You see, in it sat a Pioneer KRP-500A that was kindly loaned by one of our regular forum members, and had been calibrated by THX-certified calibrator Julian Scott (who also worked his magic on all the televisions on display). For those who don’t know, the KRP is widely regarded as the best in breed of the Kuro lineage, promising even lower minimum luminance level (MLL) than the LX series. It’s the Ferrari 250 GTO, the Lionel Messi, the Jessica Alba-equivalent in the Kuro world.

There’s only one problem – the KRP-500A did not come with a table-top stand or wall bracket. Without any way to support the screen securely, the organisers even flirted with the thought of keeping the TV in its box, never to be unleashed for the day. Fortunately, they eventually decided to take advantage of a spare moment (when the crowd’s attention was fully focused on a live demonstration of basic calibration conducted by Julian and our chief reviewer David Mackenzie) to prop the plasma screen on some chairs.

richer-krp.jpg

And it was truly worth it. The Kuro KRP exhibited a deeper shade of black than any of the TVs on show: for once, the black bezel (shown up by a tiny amount of stray light) was actually more visible to my eye than the letterbox bars. This is without doubt the deepest blacks I’ve seen from a calibrated flat-panel television to date – the unrivalled amount of dynamic range and pop made me wish I could revisit all the movies I’ve already watched on the KRP-500A again, even though the Panasonic ZT, VT and Samsung F8500 had a slight edge when it came to colour saturation (afforded by better calibration controls) and motion resolution.

I was so astounded by the KRP’s black-level performance, that I immediately asked the owner where he bought his set, and whether it was specially tweaked with voltage or firmware adjustments. The answer to the first question was Sevenoaks (a high-end home cinema retailer in the UK); and to the second, no.

We’ve seen a few Kuro KRPs in the field and in trade shows, but none performed to this level. The running theory proffered by David was that according to some industry insiders, before Pioneer ended its plasma production run, a selected batch of 50-inch KRP models actually contained modules and driver software intended for the third generation of Kuros (10G in Pioneer PDP speak) featuring “Infinite Black†technology, which, of course, ultimately never saw the light of day. The outstanding sample we were lucky enough to lay eyes upon over the weekend might have come from such a batch (affectionately referred to as 9.5G among informed Kuro owners).

Interestingly, both Pioneer Kuro owners who loaned their sets (the PDP-LX6090 and the KRP-500A) for the event said that they would rather keep their existing televisions after seeing the ZT65, VT65 and F8500 in action, but conceded that the ZT is the closest yet Panasonic has come to dethroning the Kuro as far as black level is concerned. In a straw poll of the attendees at a Q&A session towards the end, when asked which of the currently available TV would they buy if money was no object, almost everyone (including David and me) chose the Panasonic TX-P60ZT65."

yes the king still lives....in exile.... :D

I hope mine never dies ! :)

Yes ....but that one had 10th generation infinite black technology in it......very few of them ever made.

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A 65 inch panasonic VT60 can be had for around $3300 if you can still find one.

Bigger screen , lighter, uses much less power , runs cooler ,has 3D....skype camera usb recording...warranty and better picture, a no brainer as the yanks like to say.

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Exactly what I have Mark. A friend of mine knows a couple of the guys at one of the big JB stores and I was able to pick one up for $3500 inclusive of 5 years warranty. The two guys from JB both have the same set also and swore by them.

Stuff Jeeps, Don't hold back and get a Panasonic plasma!

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Buy yourself a Panasonic set, while they are still available. Dont get sucked into buying an old TV which would be on its last legs with parts not as readily available.

Its a bit like the apple v android debate. Apple fan boys refuse to believe they have been left behind by android. They just simply refuse to let go ; )

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yes it is like the apple and android debate. neither can see why anyone would buy anything else ! 

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Yes ....but that one had 10th generation infinite black technology in it......very few of them ever made.

 

must be why I love picture of my krp-500M literally the last available it was. and have seen subsequent generations of other brand displays and nope sorry don't cut it...

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Haha. Panasonic bought pioneers Kuro patents, their engineers and have had several years to work their majic....but hey they still cant cut it, I rest my case!

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How do you know they don't cut it ?

Looking at one in a showroom under bright fluorescent lighting would be pointless. ...would have to get one home and run tests on it side by side with your own panel to be a fair comparison.

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