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Hi,

I was wondering why the JBL s3900's and s4700's appear to get no love in Australia. They were at the hifi show in melb late last year and I rather liked their tone and bass presence.

The alternative I'm considering are ATC's. Listened to a pair last weekend and loved their midrange.

What are your thoughts?

Mark

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I love my K2s. A few people who have been here more recently now I have them dialled in to within a inch of their lives would most probably agree how dynamic, and engaging they can be.   And

Unboxed to try at home a pristine pair of S3900s

Indeed a lot of it can be R&D.... but there are also other overheads to recover....and it isnt the same for every product...   cant talk speakers specifically.... but having worked in ma

i have not heard the recent JBLs, but i think recently they got favorable reviews.

interestingly those models that you mention, the woofers is made by SB Acoustics :).

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I too enjoyed S4700 s at the show.

They are stocked by West Coast Hifi in Cannington here in the west & I did organise to hear them just before Christmas but fell sick & didn't get there. I guess their rather imposing bulk & perceived old technology horns for treble & mid will put some off. Funnily enough the only other speaker I'm dying to hear Janzens 2.1 are mentioned in another post today. Is it a sign? ;)

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Perhaps it's not politicly correct but I am reminded of the old expression: Junk But Loud

 

ha ha, I am reminded of the old expression, “The only thing more frustrating than slanderers is those foolish enough to listen to them.† 

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Hi,

I was wondering why the JBL s3900's and s4700's appear to get no love in Australia. They were at the hifi show in melb late last year and I rather liked their tone and bass presence.

The alternative I'm considering are ATC's. Listened to a pair last weekend and loved their midrange.

What are your thoughts?

Mark

 

I heard the s4700s at the AV show last year. I never got around to writing up my thoughts in the show reports thread. So now I have. Just for you.  :popcorn:

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What are your thoughts?

 

Haven't heard these new models... but "well engineered speakers priced accordingly" seems like a fair comment from what is published.  

 

 

(Edit:  Except from the guy down in Apartment 5F, heh ... I would also hope from that description that something was 'wrong'   :eeek:)

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just like some other brands eg klipsch, jbl just isnt everyones cup of tea...though if you like what you heard and is what you want go for it, not really a matter for others to decide :)

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i have not heard the recent JBLs, but i think recently they got favorable reviews.

+1.  Generally high efficiency; Generally good reviews.  Generally sensible design (eg. notor designs)   Just tainted with the "but isn't that stuff PA grade?"  prejudice.  

 

And they tend to look Pro - low WAF, lower bling

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Thanks all, I'm going to see if pure music can hookup a demo. Can validate my memory against recent listening to other vendors, the #1 being the new atc smc40's. If an ATC with a larger woofer was in my price range (atc EL150 is on the dream list) I'd be really keen as I love the 'large woofer' sound of the bigger kit.

By getting another jbl synthesis demo I'll see if I missed newman's top end observations or if something had gone awry at that time at the hifi show. Part of the fun :)

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That's odd. Jbl have Conway as their sole disti and in turn they had pure music as their sole jbl reseller. But there are the jbl synthesis speakers and they're showing real pricing (ie discounted from rrp). I'll ask them about the s3900. Thanks!

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atc EL150

 

The ATC will have a markedly different coverage pattern than the JBL (with the JBLs 'horns').

 

This means that even if they are EQed to the same in room  (direct) response, they will still sound different  (due to the differing responses coming from the room)

 

 

The common wisdom of audio reproduction in small rooms, would strongly favour the JBL approach here.

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I'm moving back to JBL not quite S470 s though ( I wish )

Looking at LS 80 or even Studio 590

Agree not best looking for money but the sound to my ears is very good

And not at like the "reputation"

I think the reason JBL high end get little interest is just brand, they make $100 iPod docks, people spending big bucks want exclusivity

Same as Yamaha Amps v something like NAIM

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Tristan at Trimera in Brissy has a demo set of S4700's, they are amazing speaker IMO. My Focals only beat them because of the clearer tweeter but would still love a pair, if the tweeter gets too harsh sounding for me, I may still get some. They are fantastic.

http://www.ehifi.com.au/brands/jbl-home/project-series/s4700.aspx

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West Coast Hi Fi Cannington were selling these for $9500 before Christmas when I enquired. I haven't contacted them since so can't guarantee this is still valid.

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I think the reason JBL high end get little interest is just brand

 

In asia JBL have enormous brand cache. In fact I think the Synthesis series was only introduced to meet demand from brand fanatics, i.e. it was pull not push.

 

I think your notion of 'little interest' is a peculiar western snobbery thing. Again, I blame a specific set of journalists for dragging a whole generation of audiophiles into dark alleys.

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I heard the s4700s with Accuphase at the hifi show and have to agree they sounded good to me and like Tuyen thought they sounded better than a lot of the mega expensive hifi blandness that was there. 

 

Very different to ATC though, hard to compare really both good in their own way; 

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I was actually really impressed with the $2500 JBL Studio 590  paired with the Harmon Kardon receiver (possibly little biased, as I have always been a closet HK fan).  Excellent sound for 'little' money.
 
Good review here.  Got measurements too.
 
 
I like this extract from the review:
 
But the beautiful thing about the Studio 590s is that even if you choose not to play them at high volume, they still deliver a sound that is immediately and totally realistic. I find that many speakers, although they produce sound that’s technically ‘accurate’ in that it’s very well-balanced, can also be rather dull. I don’t mean that in the sense of the sound being audibly dull, but in the sense that the music played through them, no matter how good, is reproduced in such a way that it sounds uninspiring and uninteresting. Music played through the JBL 590s, on the other hand, is involving and interesting, making you want to listen to more and more music, and the clarity of their sound lets you appreciate the finer details of the music, the tiny touches that musicians inject to lift their performances to the highest level.

 

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I was half right..

 

Check these. They are a bargain...

 

http://puremusicgroup.com/cart/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=402

 

M

I've thought long and hard about how i can make these a part of my life. I reckon they would sound fantastic with some Meat Loaf

 

I pretty much have to sell everything i have. Thats the dream though isnt it, just starting out fresh

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I was actually really impressed with the $2500 JBL Studio 590  paired with the Harmon Kardon receiver (possibly little biased, as I have always been a closet HK fan).  Excellent sound for 'little' money.
 
Good review here.  Got measurements too.
 
 
I like this extract from the review:
 
But the beautiful thing about the Studio 590s is that even if you choose not to play them at high volume, they still deliver a sound that is immediately and totally realistic. I find that many speakers, although they produce sound that’s technically ‘accurate’ in that it’s very well-balanced, can also be rather dull. I don’t mean that in the sense of the sound being audibly dull, but in the sense that the music played through them, no matter how good, is reproduced in such a way that it sounds uninspiring and uninteresting. Music played through the JBL 590s, on the other hand, is involving and interesting, making you want to listen to more and more music, and the clarity of their sound lets you appreciate the finer details of the music, the tiny touches that musicians inject to lift their performances to the highest level.

 

that is one great engineered speakers, i didnt read the review, but looking at the measurements it should sounds spacious and neutral to touch of warm in the midrange.

 

great FR, great impedance and phase plot that you can use most amps too.

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I somehow feel that they would only play well when really loud. Sort of like a PA speaker

 

Totally unfounded opinion, just a thought. I feel the same way about all horns though

 

I reckon if they were in my house for trial, i would buy them

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i have not heard the recent JBLs, but i think recently they got favorable reviews.

interestingly those models that you mention, the woofers is made by SB Acoustics :).

Henry, I would be interested to know where this info comes from ? It is a little hard to believe.

Cheers Mike

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I think JBL have done next to nothing to promote their more sophisticated home speakers in the the US in recent years . They seem to concentrate there on serious HT installs through specialist dealers and on their least expensive products through non specialist outlets.

When they released the Array series a few years back fine speakers like the 1400 arrays ended up being nearly given away probably because they just didn't have a network of quality dealers prepared to explain why they looked a bit strange and demonstrate how good they could sound.

I think at least part of the reason JBL has had a low profile here is distributorship / retail network which has seemed all over the place with different JBL lines available through different importers, not just pro vs home.

The JBL LSR 6332 is available widely in the US very cheaply and could be bought here for around $4000 a little while back when our dollar was high but good luck finding anyone with a demo or even on hand stock.

I also think JBL is just not cool anymore generally with people who spend serious money on HiFi . I guess there's lots of reasons for this but it is a pity that JBL /Harman seem so disinterested in promoting quality products embodying the excellent work done by their engineers and respected research facilities.

Cheers Mike

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REVEL use all SB, for this JBL i can only be sure for the woofer, u can check the reviews and see the basket of the woofers.

I don't think that's quite correct. Revel have said they use SB to manufactures drivers in new Performa 3 series. I don't think this the case for Ultima series. Certainly not tweeters at the very least.

Even if it turns out to be correct that SB manufacture the woofers I think there is a significant difference between saying they "use a SB woofer" and using a woofer designed by JBL and Manufactured by SB.

I think you should be very careful making claims like this unless you can actually confirm them from a reliable source.

Cheers Mike

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The S4700 uses the stunning new in-house JBL 2216ND 15" woofer, same as used in their new Reference M2 studio monitor, incorporating several JBL patented technologies. The idea that it is a stock SB Acoustics item is laughable.

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Henry, Fair enough you didn't specifically say it was a stock SB product but my , not unreasonable, interpretation of your comment was that you were saying its not a "real" JBL woofer ( in the tradition they are justly famous for )

Do you have a credible reference for your claim that this woofer is made by SB

Cheers Mike

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