Guest Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Sensational id have them in a small room anyday :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter_F Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Once again Tuyen great pic's mate, that is my idea of hi-fi porn! Not only are they serious looking speakers, but some of those power amps are monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) IMHO a big difference between large high efficiency speakers and large low efficiency "modern" speakers in a medium-small sized room, and much of the prejudice comes from those with experience only of the latter... I reckon they'd sound great That's pretty much the same view I'm getting after reading various online user reviews and talking to a few audio dudes (all from outside the land down-under though). For most of these audio dudes, money isn't their primary concern, so they have tried quite a few different types of speakers. Trying to attain the most realistic, 'live-like' effortless presentation in their 'small' room is their primary objective. They seem to be satisfied.. To be more specific, they find that these large 'high' efficient setups actually sound excellent (effortless detail and scale) at low/middle volume levels, while with many large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speaker designs sound seem to lack this. Should I advise them to try a pair of say, SGR CX3B active bookshelves (go oz speakers!) as it is more suited to their room size, and thus will sound better? But I do understand where joz's view be coming from though. I have owned and a couple of large 'modern' speakers speakers in old small room. Last attempt was pair of VAF I-93 in untreated small living room. Did not work at all. Sound overloads the room even at low volumes. No coherency at all when sitting so close (ie. bit over 3 meters away). Same story for other large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speakers I have heard in small rooms (ie. Krix Neophonix, Osborn towers, Dynaudio something) So I tried a few different types of speakers in the small room. Open baffles, final hybrid electrostats, magnepan planers.. still no good. settled on pair of Quad bookshelves for the small room! Edited April 8, 2013 by tuyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luc Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Geez the WAF on these would be bugger all I'm afraid but mine likes the pretty blue lights in those boxes...I wonder if she was for real or having a go at me? Thx for the pics Tuyen, your file hosting account must be enormous! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 hrmm whoops got carried away and have OT'ed my own thread! all fun! Hi Luc, I read that due to the design of these units, they work OK placed right up against the wall and that some recording/mixing studios in the past had these flush mounted in the walls/ceiling. 100% WAF! Winner! No probs about the pix. I use free hosting (tinypic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Once again Tuyen great pic's mate, that is my idea of hi-fi porn! Not only are they serious looking speakers, but some of those power amps are monsters. yeah mate, I read most of them are actually designed to be bi-amped. So a nice beefy monster amps to drive the woofers and something else (some preferring tubes or low powered class A ss amps) to run the mid woofer/mid high compression horn driver / bullet compression tweeter. It'd be safe to say your nice yammy beasts would be perfect for the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joz Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) That's pretty much the same view I'm getting after reading various online user reviews and talking to a few audio dudes (all from outside the land down-under though). For most of these audio dudes, money isn't their primary concern, so they have tried quite a few different types of speakers. Trying to attain the most realistic, 'live-like' effortless presentation in their 'small' room is their primary objective. They seem to be satisfied.. To be more specific, they find that these large 'high' efficient setups actually sound excellent (effortless detail and scale) at low/middle volume levels, while with many large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speaker designs sound seem to lack this. Should I advise them to try a pair of say, SGR CX3B active bookshelves (go oz speakers!) as it is more suited to their room size, and thus will sound better? But I do understand where joz's view be coming from though. I have owned and a couple of large 'modern' speakers speakers in old small room. Last attempt was pair of VAF I-93 in untreated small living room. Did not work at all. Sound overloads the room even at low volumes. No coherency at all when sitting so close (ie. bit over 3 meters away). Same story for other large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speakers I have heard in small rooms (ie. Krix Neophonix, Osborn towers, Dynaudio something) So I tried a few different types of speakers in the small room. Open baffles, final hybrid electrostats, magnepan planers.. still no good. Hey I had a pair of those Final Electrostats once. They did some amazing things with male vocal in my room, but they had to go as they just did not suit my space enough to earn their stay. But getting back to the JBLs. I know JBL as a company are very good at what they do and certainly have a cult type of following. Also that they may have something in their design in this speaker which makes them suitable for mid field monitoring. But even that studio pic earlier on does not have them pushed into the corners like the home users. But without hearing them first hand I can not genuinely comment, but nor would I take any of the comments that the owners would have about them as gospel either. As any common sense would dictate that they would not be sounding great in many of the rooms pictured. But hey I have made wrong judgements before. Now if only we could listen to some setup somewhere. btw(I love my pair of JBL 2245's) Edited April 8, 2013 by joz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest myrantz Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Thinking of going with these Tuyen? They have a strong following in Hong Kong too. Although I often wonder why (HK walls are mostly concrete, not sure what material Japanese dwellings use though). Would love to hear one in action in Perth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Hi Tj Would love to hear a pair one day too. More interested in just listening to a pair at the moment then actually hunting for a pair to try/buy. Would be awesome if there was a Perth owner with a pair of these blue beauties out there willing to give us a listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronal Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Most of these speakers are so close together it makes you wonder what kind of stereo image and soundstage they can deliver. JBLs don't go down as far as you would think because of their short-excursion woofers. They also don't have much top end extension. A friend had a pair of (?) 4335s in a very large room. They sounded wonderful within their limits but no gut-wrenching bass, even with DSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenehan Audio Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Most of these speakers are so close together it makes you wonder what kind of stereo image and soundstage they can deliver. JBLs don't go down as far as you would think because of their short-excursion woofers. They also don't have much top end extension. A friend had a pair of (?) 4335s in a very large room. They sounded wonderful within their limits but no gut-wrenching bass, even with DSP. Hi Bronal indeed these speakers are excellent even today ! I sold the 43 series from Southport Hi Fi from 1981 to 1985 ! even today they sound well balanced clean and low in distortion My favorite were the 4355 biamped of course with JBL's active Xover in a big room , bass could only get down to around 40 hz but OHHH My Lord what bass it is ! mids and top were good even by todays standards . Those guys didn't use computer modelling but they knew exactly what worked and applied it in a devastating way. Best Regards Mike Lenehan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAMO 1147 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Wow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 spoke to at length to a nice fella who had owned a pair of the mighty 4350 for a few years. Confirms that the strengths (effortless, large scale, nice overall refinement and detail and slam even at low/mid volumes, 'live-performance' type of quality) and it's weaknesses (not image/soundstaging monsters, highs don't have best extension and can lack bit of refinement, doesn't do sub-bass frequencies ie. <30hz). Also confirms they are much better than many large 'modern' designed low efficiency speakers he has heard. I was hoping he would say they sound horrible so I could forget about these speakers. But the strengths of the speakers in his opinion, nearly match all the factors of sound reproduction that I personally feel are most critical to me! To be honest, I don't put much importance on attaining pinpoint imaging/soundstaging. That stuff doesn't make me feel "immersed" in the music. Everyone's different I guess I am really sensitive to treble though, so quite curious when he says the highs do lack a bit of refinement/extension. Also highly recommends Kenrick Sounds Japan on their work refurbishing/improvements to the 43xx series speakers. anyways, few more jbl 43xx pix jbl 4345 with child protection modification installed! damn those tannoy westminsters are big... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve M Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 (edited) Tuyen you are a Jedi Master of finding alternative hi-fi concepts, loving the pics and the idea of having BIG speakers in a small room. You really must come over soon, I have a Thorsten Loesch designed Tram2 OTL 2A3 preamp playing on the Edgar Horns ..and sounding sublime! Probably not far off the ballsy JBL sound with a layer of refinement. Cheers, Steve. Edited April 9, 2013 by Steve M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Sounds good Steve. Look forward to catching up and having a listen to your Edgar horns! Speaking of Thorsten Loesch, I have recently been considering a pair of the Crescendo Grande high efficiency speakers that he designed for DIYhifisupply. Concept does seem pretty interesting. How's your coming weekend looking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve M Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Weekend should be OK Tuyen depending on family activities, I'll give you a call ... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_F Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Sounds good Steve. Look forward to catching up and having a listen to your Edgar horns! Speaking of Thorsten Loesch, I have recently been considering a pair of the Crescendo Grande high efficiency speakers that he designed for DIYhifisupply. Concept does seem pretty interesting. How's your coming weekend looking? Maybe the Altec Lansing's will suit you Tuyen? They are bigger than most of the JBL's in these pics and too big for my room(s)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 cool! thanks mate. more pix: okay, clearly this guy is just a gear collector while this guy in Tokyo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaspert Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Another one for Tuyen.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 11, 2013 Author Share Posted April 11, 2013 thanks buddy. just what i needed before calling it a night.. a photo of another smick looking setup sporting these awesome looking blue beasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve M Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Tuyen if you like JBL, check out HiFido Japan. A search on that site shows up about 34 pages of JBL gear. http://www.hifido.co.jp/?lang=E&genre=2&keyword=Jbl&arrival=10&limit=10&price=0 The JBL 4343 or 4344 spkrs look promising at $3-4K, original retail around $15K for these big studio monitors. The JBLs would sound good no doubt, but my only concern is would you outgrow such a speaker? Is there enough finesse to keep you happy in the long term? This is why your pursuit of DIY horns is a valid approach, there is the potential to create the same room filling sound as a big pair of JBLs, aligned with greater levels of finesse and refinement. Steve. Edited April 12, 2013 by Steve M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) Hi Steve, Did go browsing through hifido, so much interesting stuff there. I have shot them an email to inquire how much freight will be for something like a pair of those 4343/4344 speakers. I know that combined weight of the 2 speakers themselves is close to 200kg. Bit scared to open email when they reply. Horn system will still be intact in the downstairs room, just is not anymore my primary system I have the music playing on. I was thinking a pair of these JBL buggers to be used as computer speakers for the family common room. lol have also been contemplating going DIY route, if I can pickup the same drivers used for cheap. ability to tweak and the experience along the way seems interesting and might help keep me out of trouble? a mate did make a point that if going diy route, might still constantly be lusting after the 'real' thing.. tough one isn't it! I know I don't lust after commercial horn speaker solutions though.. Edited April 12, 2013 by tuyen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audionutz Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 On the subject of big speakers ... Do these make my room look too small ? Cheers "nutz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuyen Posted April 12, 2013 Author Share Posted April 12, 2013 speaker size to room ratio looks perfectly fine to me mate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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