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beautiful stuff...      big speakers in small room. no problems!  

 

Big cult following in Japan.  Any JBL 43xx owners in Aus?    

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IMHO a big difference between large high efficiency speakers and large low efficiency "modern" speakers in a medium-small sized room, and much of the prejudice comes from those with experience only of

hijack away hifiplus.  to answer your question,  yep, horns can image and soundstage well   more photos of JBL 43xx setups                        

No apparant problems.

 

I was living in Japan for awhile and yeah, living spaces are tiny. Most Japanese people don't want speakers any bigger than typical computer sized speakers, just like everyone else in the world, but well heeled Japanese audiophiles really dig the big American name brands like JBL and McIntosh etc.

 

Let's just say if they were in an Australian living room they'd be even better!

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for sure!

 

do you reckon there is any merit in running such big speakers in small rooms?     effortless, "live"  type of presentation?  

 

or would say a simple 2-way bookshelf speaker be better suit (sonically) for their small rooms?

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It seems to be just about the gear and bugger all else it seems.

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hi joz,  are you saying they wouldn't sound good in the photos of the setups above?    the owners chooseing them just for the status and not actual sonic performance?

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Finally found an english written review (SG owner) of a pair of Kenrick Sound rebuilt JBL 43 series speaker.

 

http://blog.kenricksound.com/2012/11/customer-review-from-singapore-posted.html

 

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...Some background about myself, I first came to learn about Japan's craze over JBL 43 series studio monitors through the Stereo Sound magazine. I was always amazed by the pictures of large JBL studio monitors in small rooms, wondering how do they sound. Finally in 2004, I managed to get a pair of 4333A and experienced the magic of JBL 43 series studio monitors.

The rest as they say, is history. Over the years, I have owned 4343B, 4430, and finally the ultimate 4350A in 2010. It was my dream to own a double woofer JBL monitor. The sense of scale, attack, speed, details is without equal and effortless....

 

 

Since user has relatively smallish room, would that mean that a competent bookshelf speaker would same quality, if not better sense of 'scale, attack, speed, effortless detail'  ?    

 

How does a user determine what would be the most optimal sized speaker for their room?       I read that some user's of these JBL 53 series monsters use EQ to tune the sound.  Would that not be adequate to sort any sound:room ratio issues out? 

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Great thread Tuyen, these sort of speaker really interest me. 

 

I am in the same situation with many of these owners in that perhaps my room is too small to adequately own these sort of speakers?   

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hi joz,  are you saying they wouldn't sound good in the photos of the setups above?    the owners chooseing them just for the status and not actual sonic performance?

 

Well yes, I am. :) sorry!

These poor buggers have bought the right gear to impress their peers with, but their system will never perform to its optimum.

Like buying a Lamborghini Aventador which will impress all your buddies and everyone that sees you with it will make you feel good , but then never taking it anywhere other than around the block?

The gear is great but you bought the wrong thing for the job!

 

These speakers were made for big the American home (spacious), not for London,HongKong or Tokyo apartments.

Sure EQ can help things alomg but its not a miracle cure for all audio ailments.

We all know about wall boundaries and speaker interaction around here I think?

Sure they probably sound a bit special because they have certain traits,but just because they are JBL doesn't make them exempt from any laws of physics.

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These speakers were made for big the American home (spacious), not for London,HongKong or Tokyo apartments.

Actually; these speakers were primarily made for mid field monitoring in moderately large American studio control rooms.  They can work well in less than huge rooms.  But you're right; most of those rooms are too small and narrow and the speakers are set up so they might as well be in a mono configuration.

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Following taken from the Placement instructions from the User Manual of the JBL 4350 units, 

 

"for optimum source localization within the stereo image, a pair of 4350s should be arranged so that the listening position is centered between the two systems and no more than 30degrees off-axis horizontally (or 15degrees vertically) from either unit...  A minimum distance of 2.5 meters (8 feet) should be maintained between the 4350 and the listener."

 

So really, the most of those setups in the photos above do seem to be within placement specs written by JBL ?     I mean, would 2.5m from a speaker considered 'near-field'  ?

 

 

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Photo from Ocean Mastering Studios  with later generation JBL monitors  at relatively near/mid field setup.

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More photos of other setups for your viewing pleasure :)

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When 1 pair is not enough, stack them!

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IMHO a big difference between large high efficiency speakers and large low efficiency "modern" speakers in a medium-small sized room, and much of the prejudice comes from those with experience only of the latter...

 

I reckon they'd sound great  :cool:

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Love the pic's Tuyen, keep 'em coming! 

searched ebay for some jbl's yet flemo ;)  ;)  ;)   just what pink floyd needs 

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hijack away hifiplus.  to answer your question,  yep, horns can image and soundstage well :)

 

more photos of JBL 43xx setups

 

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Once again Tuyen great pic's mate, that is my idea of hi-fi porn! :love

 

Not only are they serious looking speakers, but some of those power amps are monsters.  :)

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IMHO a big difference between large high efficiency speakers and large low efficiency "modern" speakers in a medium-small sized room, and much of the prejudice comes from those with experience only of the latter...

 

I reckon they'd sound great  :cool:

 

That's pretty much the same view I'm getting after reading various online user reviews and  talking to a few audio dudes (all from outside the land down-under though).  For most of these audio dudes, money isn't their primary concern, so they have tried quite a few different types of speakers.  Trying to attain the most realistic, 'live-like' effortless presentation in their 'small' room is their primary objective.      They seem to be satisfied..   

 

To be more specific,  they find that these large 'high' efficient setups actually sound excellent (effortless detail and scale) at low/middle volume levels,  while with many large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speaker designs sound seem to lack this.

 

Should I advise them to try a pair of say, SGR CX3B active bookshelves (go oz speakers!)  as it is more suited to their room size, and thus will sound better?  :)

 

But I do understand where joz's view be coming from though.  I have owned and a couple of large 'modern' speakers speakers in old small room.   Last attempt was pair of VAF I-93 in untreated small living room.   Did not work at all.   Sound overloads the room even at low volumes. No coherency at all when sitting so close (ie. bit over 3 meters away).    Same story for other large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speakers I have heard in small rooms (ie. Krix Neophonix,  Osborn towers,  Dynaudio something)

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So I tried a few different types of speakers in the small room.  Open baffles, final hybrid electrostats, magnepan planers..     still no good.      

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settled on pair of Quad bookshelves for the small room! 

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Geez the WAF on these would be bugger all I'm afraid but mine likes the pretty blue lights in those boxes...I wonder if she was for real or having a go at me?

 

Thx for the pics Tuyen, your file hosting account must be enormous! lol.

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hrmm whoops got carried away and have OT'ed my own thread!    all fun!

 

Hi Luc,  I read that due to the design of these units, they work OK placed right up against the wall  and that some recording/mixing studios in the past had these flush mounted in the walls/ceiling.     100% WAF!  Winner!  No probs about the pix.      I use free hosting (tinypic) :)

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Once again Tuyen great pic's mate, that is my idea of hi-fi porn! :love

 

Not only are they serious looking speakers, but some of those power amps are monsters.  :)

 

yeah mate, I read most of them are actually designed to be bi-amped.  So a nice beefy monster amps to drive the woofers and something else (some preferring tubes or low powered class A ss amps) to run the mid woofer/mid high compression horn driver / bullet compression tweeter. 

 

It'd be safe to say your nice yammy beasts would be perfect for the job  ;)

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That's pretty much the same view I'm getting after reading various online user reviews and  talking to a few audio dudes (all from outside the land down-under though).  For most of these audio dudes, money isn't their primary concern, so they have tried quite a few different types of speakers.  Trying to attain the most realistic, 'live-like' effortless presentation in their 'small' room is their primary objective.      They seem to be satisfied..   

 

To be more specific,  they find that these large 'high' efficient setups actually sound excellent (effortless detail and scale) at low/middle volume levels,  while with many large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speaker designs sound seem to lack this.

 

Should I advise them to try a pair of say, SGR CX3B active bookshelves (go oz speakers!)  as it is more suited to their room size, and thus will sound better?  :)

 

But I do understand where joz's view be coming from though.  I have owned and a couple of large 'modern' speakers speakers in old small room.   Last attempt was pair of VAF I-93 in untreated small living room.   Did not work at all.   Sound overloads the room even at low volumes. No coherency at all when sitting so close (ie. bit over 3 meters away).    Same story for other large 'low' efficiency 'modern' speakers I have heard in small rooms (ie. Krix Neophonix,  Osborn towers,  Dynaudio something)

 

 

So I tried a few different types of speakers in the small room.  Open baffles, final hybrid electrostats, magnepan planers..     still no good.      

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Hey I had a pair of those Final Electrostats once. They did some amazing things with male vocal in my room, but they had to go as they just did not suit my space enough to earn their stay.

 

But getting back to the JBLs.

I know JBL as a company are very good at what they do and certainly have a cult type of following.

Also that they may have something in their design in this speaker which makes them suitable for mid field monitoring.

But even that studio pic earlier on does not have them pushed into the corners like the home users.

But without hearing them first hand I can not genuinely comment, but nor would I take any of the comments that the owners would have about them as gospel either.

As any common sense would dictate that they would not be sounding great in  many of the rooms pictured. But hey I have made wrong judgements before. :cool:

 

Now if only we could listen to some setup somewhere.

 

btw(I love my pair of JBL 2245's)

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Thinking of going with these Tuyen?

 

They have a strong following in Hong Kong too. Although I often wonder why (HK walls are mostly concrete, not sure what material Japanese dwellings use though).

 

Would love to hear one in action in Perth...

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Hi Tj

Would love to hear a pair one day too. More interested in just listening to a pair at the moment then actually hunting for a pair to try/buy. :)

Would be awesome if there was a Perth owner with a pair of these blue beauties out there willing to give us a listen!

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Most of these speakers are so close together it makes you wonder what kind of stereo image and soundstage they can deliver.

 

JBLs don't go down as far as you would think because of their short-excursion woofers. They also don't have much top end extension.  A friend had a pair of (?) 4335s in a very large room.  They sounded wonderful within their limits but no gut-wrenching bass, even with DSP.

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Most of these speakers are so close together it makes you wonder what kind of stereo image and soundstage they can deliver.

 

JBLs don't go down as far as you would think because of their short-excursion woofers. They also don't have much top end extension.  A friend had a pair of (?) 4335s in a very large room.  They sounded wonderful within their limits but no gut-wrenching bass, even with DSP.

 

Hi Bronal       indeed these speakers are excellent even today ! I sold the 43 series from Southport Hi Fi from 1981 to 1985 ! even today they sound well balanced clean and low in distortion

 

My favorite were the 4355 biamped of course with JBL's active Xover in a big room , bass could only get down to around 40 hz  but OHHH My Lord what bass it is ! mids and top were good even by todays standards . 

 

Those guys didn't use computer modelling but they knew exactly what worked and applied it in a devastating way.        Best Regards Mike Lenehan 

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spoke to at length to a nice fella who had owned a pair of the mighty 4350 for a few years.  Confirms that the strengths (effortless, large scale, nice overall refinement and detail and slam even at low/mid volumes, 'live-performance' type of quality)   and it's weaknesses (not image/soundstaging monsters, highs don't have best extension and can lack bit of refinement, doesn't do sub-bass frequencies ie. <30hz).        Also confirms they are much better than many large 'modern' designed low efficiency speakers he has heard.           

 

I was hoping he would say they sound horrible so I could forget about these speakers. But the strengths of the speakers in his opinion, nearly match all the factors of sound reproduction that I personally feel are most critical to me!   To be honest,  I don't put much importance on attaining pinpoint imaging/soundstaging. That stuff doesn't make me feel "immersed" in the music.  Everyone's different I guess :)        I am really sensitive to treble though, so quite curious when he says the highs do lack a bit of refinement/extension.   

 

Also highly recommends Kenrick Sounds Japan on their work refurbishing/improvements to the 43xx series speakers. 

 

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jbl 4345 with child protection modification installed!

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damn those tannoy westminsters are big...

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Tuyen you are a Jedi Master of finding alternative hi-fi concepts, loving the pics and the idea of having BIG speakers in a small room.

You really must come over soon, I have a Thorsten Loesch designed Tram2 OTL 2A3 preamp playing on the Edgar Horns ..and sounding sublime! Probably not far off the ballsy JBL sound with a layer of refinement.

Cheers,

Steve.

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