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What about your 'surround' left and right speakers?

 

They deliver a more 'surround' (ha ha) stereo experience, and one which I personally find enthralling when cranking up the tunes when I really want to get a buzz!

I only had small rears so haven't missed those and the mains crank loud enough to give the whole neighbourhood a buzz

It's been fun tinkering with surround audio and agree its enthralling listening to a good quality concert in DTSHD or TRUEHD

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no surprises there! been doing it myself for ages. nothing in an AVR will touch a 2 channel integrated.

Yes.......but if you spend a bit more, you can get an even better 2 channel amp!

Nah. only in the mid bass

If you had a fixed budget, and wanted good surround AND good 2ch, would it be better to invest in a better AVR?

eg if you only had $2k to spend, do you buy an AVR for $1k and an integrated for $1k, or spend $2k on a better AVR?

Just wondering.....

ps don't bother with buy one now and then add the other, or "you don't need a centre channel', that's not the point of this hyperthetical!!

 

 

This might take you slightly over $2K but the apples for apples comparison is for you to evaluate...

 

 

you can get a pretty good AVR (one that decodes all the latest HD formats including 3D ) for  $850

 

http://www.apollohifi.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=903&category_id=44&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

marantz SR5005

 

lets stick with the same brand and supplier to keep the apples in the apple cart...add a very nice 2 channel power amp ( 140wRMS ) at $1300 rrp

 

http://www.apollohifi.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=871&category_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

marantz MM7025

 

or

http://www.apollohifi.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=886&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

marantz PM7004

 

or a value judgement at $700

http://www.apollohifi.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1183&category_id=6&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

marantz PM6004

 

 

 

 

compare that to what approx $2k would get you in AVR value

http://www.apollohifi.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1349&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

marantz SR7007

or

http://www.apollohifi.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=907&category_id=7&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=80

marantz SR7005

 

 

and (I think), most of the costing in the AVR goes into the bells and whistles and other good features where $2k would get you that (really nice) power amp and a more than adequate AVR

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Don't get hung up about the $2k, it was only an arbitrary example.

 

The question is would you get better 2ch (and still retain the surround features) from the more expensive AVR, rather than splitting the budget between an AVR and integrated

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Don't get hung up about the $2k, it was only an arbitrary example.

 

The question is would you get better 2ch (and still retain the surround features) from the more expensive AVR, rather than splitting the budget between an AVR and integrated

sorry, I thought you meant you had a fixed budget ... ok, 10 20 30 40 50K ...same story, its the ratio, ...half an AVR + half an amp i reckon will be better than a full AVR, you can even go one third of an AVR with two thirds amp and it will be far better than a full AVR...its the dedicated integrated amp that adds value to the equation ( figuratively speaking )

 

put another way, I doubt there is any AVR that would sound better (in stereo only) than an integrated amp up to half its price, most of the AVR is decoding and other componentry and the pricing isnt based on its stereo performance

 

 

so the answer is no

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using active speakers and active sub with pre pro prob the best way to get thx reference level at home.

studio monitors with 6-8" woofers usually have enough grunt for it or use higher sens speaker such as horn or waveguides speakers (econowave and variants) and use them with the AVR.

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Or buy one of these & then spend your money on power amps.

 

http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/umc200/

 

Not sure how it will handle 2 ch stereo via it's pre, but @ $599 I'm considering this to replace my Marantz SR6005.

 

 

Very impressive piece of equipment. (especially for the price).

 

That looks like a good option for me as I would like to upgrade to a processor with HDMI. (but not spend too much).

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Here's a tough one to decide, running a set of b&w's FPM5's to a 2nd zone, my choices are run strait out of a denon avr3313 or pre out to 65wpc of early 90's rotel power amp. Thoughts are welcome

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This thread is right up my street.. planning my upgrade path as we speak.

 

I need a new AVR anyway to support 3D.. don't need 4K that's just marketing hype for now (Probably looking at the Denon 3313). But do need one that has the ability to run L/R through separate amps.

 

The music is stored digitally so will be coming in via HDMI, will therefore get processes by the AVR DACs then out the the 2Ch amp.

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This thread is spot on to the issue I have.  I am running a Cambridge Audio 540r v3 with KEF Q5 floorstanders and some KEF surrounds and centre channel.

 

I find that in 5.1 digital mode for movies the setup performs satisfactorily, particularly with the sub kicking in the bass.  But for 2.0 mode the Q5's seem really underdone.  The CA 540R allows for the L and R to be connected to a separate 2 channel amp whilst running the surrounds and centre from the AVR. I am wondering if this will solve my problem (can then run my TT straight into the 2ch), or if it is just the Q5's?

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This thread is spot on to the issue I have.  I am running a Cambridge Audio 540r v3 with KEF Q5 floorstanders and some KEF surrounds and centre channel.

 

I find that in 5.1 digital mode for movies the setup performs satisfactorily, particularly with the sub kicking in the bass.  But for 2.0 mode the Q5's seem really underdone.  The CA 540R allows for the L and R to be connected to a separate 2 channel amp whilst running the surrounds and centre from the AVR. I am wondering if this will solve my problem (can then run my TT straight into the 2ch), or if it is just the Q5's?

In theory you should get better 2 channel and 5 channel sound if you add an amp for the fronts. Normally the reasons are that your AVR then need to run less channels and that the 2 channel amp will be better than the AVR as it does not need to do all the other stuff an AVR does.

The reality will depend on you budget. 

Would it be possible to demo an amp in your system?

I will leave it for the other members to comment on the Q5's

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definitely if want to run your TT straight into the 2ch grab a 2ch integrated with phono stage and most importantly a ht bypass. eg can partner with the lovely cambridge 851A

 

 

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-851a-integrated-class-xd-amplifier

 

and will be a decent match sonically with your cambrdige avr plus give you both a pre and power upgrade for both 2ch and also ht by taking load off your avr to drive. fr your TT you will likely need a phono, but cambrdige make those as well and could use one of those between the TT and 851A 

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I have just done this, added a CA 851a. I have not tested the sound on HT bypass, however the new 2 channel sound is so much better to my Denon AVR. I am no audiophile but would describe the sound as laid back, silky smooth and very clear. I like it, and so does the Minister of Finance.

definitely if want to run your TT straight into the 2ch grab a 2ch integrated with phono stage and most importantly a ht bypass. eg can partner with the lovely cambridge 851A

 

 

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-851a-integrated-class-xd-amplifier'>http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-851a-integrated-class-xd-amplifier

 

and will be a decent match sonically with your cambrdige avr plus give you both a pre and power upgrade for both 2ch and also ht by taking load off your avr to drive. fr your TT you will likely need a phono, but cambrdige make those as well and could use one of those between the TT and 851A 

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definitely if want to run your TT straight into the 2ch grab a 2ch integrated with phono stage and most importantly a ht bypass. eg can partner with the lovely cambridge 851A

 

 

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-851a-integrated-class-xd-amplifier'>http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/azur-851a-integrated-class-xd-amplifier

 

and will be a decent match sonically with your cambrdige avr plus give you both a pre and power upgrade for both 2ch and also ht by taking load off your avr to drive. fr your TT you will likely need a phono, but cambrdige make those as well and could use one of those between the TT and 851A 

Sounds like it is worth adding a 2ch amp to get an improvement. I like the look of the CA851. At this stage though I think I would prefer to keep an eye out for a good second hand one if any SNA'ers have got something.

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Sounds like it is worth adding a 2ch amp to get an improvement. I like the look of the CA851. At this stage though I think I would prefer to keep an eye out for a good second hand one if any SNA'ers have got something.

 

theres always ebay :)

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/851A-Cambridge-integrated-amplifier-New-model-big-sweet-sound-NAD-/271162688933?pt=AU_Electronics_Audio_Amplifiers&hash=item3f228e45a5&_uhb=1#ht_572wt_1114

 

or if thats stretching the budget, there is also the previous model in the 740A which is also very well respected, and a bargain here from klapps ebay store :)

 

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Cambridge-Audio-740A-Integrated-Amplifier-Dark-Finish-Ex-Display-No-Orig-Box-/271107482808?pt=AU_Electronics_Audio_Amplifiers&hash=item3f1f43e4b8&_uhb=1#ht_2237wt_1114

 

also if dont mind yamaha, theres always the a-s2000 integrated from eastwood at $1799 or $1899

 

http://www.eastwoodhifi.com.au/specials.html

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I played a cd from my Oppo 105 recently & noticed a remarkable improvement. Since then I have purchased an Emotiva XPA-5 power amp & Emotiva XSP-1 pre. The XSP-1 has a HT bypass. Just waiting on a new AVR to hook it all up. Aiming for a Yamaha 820 at this stage. The improvement will make my most listened to music sound new again.

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