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I'm upgrading from a Macap 2MD grinder which in itself was a great step up from the Breville smart grinder. What do I get next? The Macap will go in the classifieds soon.

 

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I've recently got more serious about my coffee production (probably as I've virtually given up alcohol).  I now use a grinding cup, scales and a naked portafilter which came with a deeper triple??? basket and needs 23.5-24 grams of beans per shot. The Macap is great for single or double shots as you can set the timer, but not so much for grinding by weight.

 

My front runner is a Mini Mazzer. Is the electronic version worth the extra $$$ and is it easy to adjust on the fly? The Macap is more of a set and forget system with the timer dial under the base. As I am grinding by weighed dose, a grinder with zero (or close to) retention would be preferable, as would cleanliness, but I'm not wanting to spend much more than $1k

 

 

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41 minutes ago, blybo said:

I'm upgrading from a Macap 2MD grinder which in itself was a great step up from the Breville smart grinder. What do I get next? The Macap will go in the classifieds soon.

 

Backstory;

I've recently got more serious about my coffee production (probably as I've virtually given up alcohol).  I now use a grinding cup, scales and a naked portafilter which came with a deeper triple??? basket and needs 23.5-24 grams of beans per shot. The Macap is great for single or double shots as you can set the timer, but not so much for grinding by weight.

 

My front runner is a Mini Mazzer. Is the electronic version worth the extra $$$ and is it easy to adjust on the fly? The Macap is more of a set and forget system with the timer dial under the base. As I am grinding by weighed dose, a grinder with zero (or close to) retention would be preferable, as would cleanliness, but I'm not wanting to spend much more than $1k

 

 

 

I have a mini electronic. type A I think   Just had a look at the current version and it is maybe slightly different in that the timer control is next to the other controls and menu driven. rather than a couple of screws above the portafilter holder which mine has.  it will be easier than the macap but after initial setup how much adjusting do you think you need to do? I mostly adjust grind and leave timer, but not up with the latest and greatest coffee methods either. 

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I would dissuade you from Mini if you're looking to weigh your doses. All timed grinders have significant variations in the dose delivered from day to day and hour to hour

 

A grind-by-weight grinder like the Sette 270Wi might fit the bill. It's not a perfect solution, though.

 

Or if you're up for the more complicated workflow, a low retention single-dose oriented grinder will get you more consistent dosing

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1 hour ago, metal beat said:

For a 2nd I thought somehow I was in the wrong forum!!

 

Yacht racing for the America's Cup immediately came to mind.

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6 hours ago, blybo said:

I'm upgrading from a Macap 2MD grinder which in itself was a great step up from the Breville smart grinder. What do I get next?

How many coffees a day?

 

For "a few" I like the Pharos by Orphan Espresso, now seemingly on run-out. Large conical burrs, manual grinder with all grounds easily removed each time.

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9 minutes ago, GregWormald said:

How many coffees a day?

 

For "a few" I like the Pharos by Orphan Espresso, now seemingly on run-out. Large conical burrs, manual grinder with all grounds easily removed each time.

I like the look of that, i might give it a go, where on runout?

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16 hours ago, GregWormald said:

How many coffees a day?

 

For "a few" I like the Pharos by Orphan Espresso, now seemingly on run-out. Large conical burrs, manual grinder with all grounds easily removed each time.

I already have a Lido manual grinder for camping. Don't want another.

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21 hours ago, sakabatou said:

I would dissuade you from Mini if you're looking to weigh your doses. All timed grinders have significant variations in the dose delivered from day to day and hour to hour

 

A grind-by-weight grinder like the Sette 270Wi might fit the bill. It's not a perfect solution, though.

 

Or if you're up for the more complicated workflow, a low retention single-dose oriented grinder will get you more consistent dosing

I've heard these are VERY noisy and blurb says it weighs to within a gram or 2! That's not accurate enough in my book.

 

I do like the look of the Niche Zero but would blow the budget

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2 minutes ago, blybo said:

I've heard these are VERY noisy and blurb says it weighs to within a gram or 2! That's not accurate enough in my book.

 

I do like the look of the Niche Zero but would blow the budget

They are noisy

 

My experience is that after dialling in, mine weighs to with 0.1-0.2g - it predicts based on over/undershoot from the last dose.

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23 hours ago, blybo said:

which came with a deeper triple??? basket and needs 23.5-24 grams of beans per shot.

 

Why are you using the triple? I use a double and stick to 18-21g (depending on the beans at the time). A double should be all you'd need, and you'd use less coffee?

 

22 hours ago, sakabatou said:

All timed grinders have significant variations in the dose delivered from day to day and hour to hour

 

Not to disagree with you, but I have a Mahlkonig K30 Air Vario and set the time for the desired weight, and it's bang on every time provided the bean level in the hopper is adequate.

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5 minutes ago, sakabatou said:

They are noisy

 

My experience is that after dialling in, mine weighs to with 0.1-0.2g - it predicts based on over/undershoot from the last dose.

That sounds more like it. How often do you double check the weight? If this is reliably accurate I could probably put up with the noise.

 

23 hours ago, Marc said:

 

Why are you using the triple? I use a double and stick to 18-21g (depending on the beans at the time). A double should be all you'd need, and you'd use less coffee?

That's what the naked came with, and it's a better basket than the OEM ones. I will get a better double basket though.

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5 minutes ago, blybo said:

I use a double and stick to 18-21g

How do you determine how much each bean type requires?

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10 minutes ago, blybo said:

That sounds more like it. How often do you double check the weight? If this is reliably accurate I could probably put up with the noise.

I did it a lot when I first got it, but haven't for a long time

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Highly scientific - taste and gut feeling generally :)

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Back in ancient times, I ran a cafe for a while. The way we did it was to just fill the portafilter  scrape across the top to remove excess and then,  tamp as hard as you can,( I was told you cannot overtamp) and then time the shot for 30 sec for 30 ml? (if I remember correctly)  and adjust if not close enough. The biggest difference was always due to weather and a small grind adjustment fixed things with very little change between coffee batches. It was pretty predictable and easy to see when you are doing lots of shots a day. every day. Consistency was very good. Also helps when the coffee is super fresh.

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On 15/05/2021 at 11:03 AM, blybo said:

I'm upgrading from a Macap 2MD grinder which in itself was a great step up from the Breville smart grinder.

 

No suggestions what to upgrade to sorry,  but wondering what the plans are for the Macap?      It might be a nice upgrade from my Sunbeam (which was once yours ;) )  

 

 

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16 minutes ago, manchu said:

 

No suggestions what to upgrade to sorry,  but wondering what the plans are for the Macap?      It might be a nice upgrade from my Sunbeam (which was once yours ;) )  

 

 

2 steps up from the Sunbeam :thumbsup:, and yes the Macap will be offered for sale once I pull the trigger on a new grinder.

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@blybo you might like to consider this elegant model which is currently being offered for sale in the SNA Classifieds: 

 

 

 

 

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On 15/05/2021 at 11:42 AM, The Fez said:

Check out ANFIM...

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I have a Mazzer Mini Electronica, and unfortunately its never bang on in weight so I set it just shy of my shot weight, weigh and add as required. Problem is this grinder has significant retention unlike the Mahlkonig's. They are also susceptible to clumping which you can fix by removing the screen from the grinder exit. Still a solid grinder which in a domestic environment will last a lifetime, just not without its quirks which you can work around. 

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On 17/05/2021 at 9:54 AM, sakabatou said:

I did it a lot when I first got it, but haven't for a long time

Check weighed this morning for you. 0.1g over compared to my Brewista Smart Scale.

 

If your next question is: how often do you check the Brewista? Never 

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On 15/05/2021 at 11:42 AM, metal beat said:

For a 2nd I thought somehow I was in the wrong forum!!  🤣

 

 

Same !! There was soooooooo much I wanted to say but decided against it - hahahahahhaaa

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I've ordered a Sette 270Wi, along with a vst 18gr basket. Looking forward to simplifying my "work flow"

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Beans, Berries...Is there a thread? Fine to talk machines, pressures, grinders, etc etc..Its all about the beans innit?? 

 

Singles, blends... Recommendations..??? 

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On 28/05/2021 at 8:28 PM, The Fez said:

Beans, Berries...Is there a thread? Fine to talk machines, pressures, grinders, etc etc..Its all about the beans innit?? 

 

Singles, blends... Recommendations..??? 

Yes the beans are the basis of a great coffee as is how you store them. I tend to grind on demand and keep by beans in an Airscape airtight container as 1kg can last me several weeks. I get my house blend from a little roaster/barrista called Project Black in Mitcham. They are walking distance from me but make the best coffee I've tried in Melbourne. They only popped up around 2 years ago next to my local Coles. They have a Facebook page and very friendly, not pretentious hipster guys.

 

I can also highly recommend ONA coffee's Raspberry Candy blend which I get Cherry Ripe type hints from. Project Black used to carry this but only available from ONA cafe's or online now . Delivery from Canberra is expensive but I tend to split an order with friends to qualify for free delivery.

 

 

 

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On 28/05/2021 at 7:58 PM, The Fez said:

Beans, Berries...Is there a thread? Fine to talk machines, pressures, grinders, etc etc..Its all about the beans innit?? 

 

Singles, blends... Recommendations..??? 

I buy green beans and roast my own. I prefer to roast to the very first snaps of second crack and then a forced air cool. That's a medium to dark brown with the oil just starting to moderate the full matte finish of the beans but with no oil actually showing.

 

My favourite beans are the east African (Ethiopia or close) and southern Arabian (Yemen—but the ongoing war and genocide... :cry:). Some Indian beans also taste fine to me. If I get the best Ethiopian Sidamo beans and roast them right then there are tastes of chocolate fruit cake along with the coffee.

 

I've had only a very few nice beans from South or Central America but overall find them too bland and generic for my tastes.

 

All coffees are through an espresso machine.

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On 19/05/2021 at 12:39 PM, blybo said:

I've ordered a Sette 270Wi, along with a vst 18gr basket. Looking forward to simplifying my "work flow"

Just got this ad in the mail (Fellow Ode Brew Coffee Grinder). Designed to be used as a weighed dose, zero-retention grinder. But as you've ordered - it's a bit late.

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A general comment

Grinders have a huge role in the flavour profile of coffee - dare I say more than the espresso machine 

Many years ago I went large conical and use a Mazzer Robur at home 

 

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29 minutes ago, Cloth Ears said:

Just got this ad in the mail (Fellow Ode Brew Coffee Grinder). Designed to be used as a weighed dose, zero-retention grinder. But as you've ordered - it's a bit late.

That's a grinder for pour over/filter coffee. Not sure if grind would go fine enough for the 9bar pressure an espresso machine pushes water through the puck.

 

Anyhoo, after a little trial and error very happy with my Sette 270 Wi. Yes it is noisy but grinds a single 18gr dose way faster than my previous grinders.

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31 minutes ago, blybo said:

That's a grinder for pour over/filter coffee. Not sure if grind would go fine enough for the 9bar pressure an espresso machine pushes water through the puck.

 

Anyhoo, after a little trial and error very happy with my Sette 270 Wi. Yes it is noisy but grinds a single 18gr dose way faster than my previous grinders.

The delay was me picking my jaw off the floor. Grinder for filter coffee? Hmmm.

Luckily we've still happy with a De Longhi we picked up nearly 10 years ago that works for both espresso and moka (just need to adjust the grind a couple of notches). It's also known as the second alarm clock - as you don't stay asleep once it starts grinding...

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