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Always hated it! - well except Country Rock like Them Eagles boys, oh! and Neil Young 'cept he can't be country 'cos he's Canadian. then there's Little Feet, but I'll deny ever liking them too.

 

Then along came Shelby Lynne and her album Suit Yourself (well OK it was released in 2005 but new to me). Not sure where this one came from, can't remember buying it, and I'm sure I would never consciously fork out good money for a Country album, it's aggin' mah religion. Maybe I found it in the cheap bin and remembered a recommendation on SNA, - who knows. Then today there it was in my CD cupboard and curiosity got the better of me. I do remember playing it some time ago and trying to remain in denial, liking a recording of this genre was not an option but for some reason today, despite the thousands of other CD's and L.P.'s I have collected I chucked it on again and.... here's the rub, do I need therapy?, I really love this thing.

 

I know it ain't Country and Western yee-hah sort of music but closer to Dolly than Blondie that's for sure. The songs are fabulous, all killers (almost) and not at all cloying or sentimental for it's own sake. Superbly recorded too, a joy to attentively listen to rather than just wash the dished in the other room.

 

So I can recommend this one to all and sundry, you don't need a stetson, just an open mind and ears. That said, I still ain't coming out of my C&W hating closet just yet.

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I used to think I hated country music, but then I began to realise there was a lot more to it than I used to think. If one judges country music by the likes of 'achey breaky heart' and videos of peopl

Always hated it! - well except Country Rock like Them Eagles boys, oh! and Neil Young 'cept he can't be country 'cos he's Canadian. then there's Little Feet, but I'll deny ever liking them too.  

This one is worth a listen too Grimmie, I was spinning it just the other day, dangnabbit:    

This one is worth a listen too Grimmie, I was spinning it just the other day, dangnabbit:

 

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1 hour ago, Telecine said:

This one is worth a listen too Grimmie, I was spinning it just the other day, dangnabbit:

 

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just a little lovin by shelby is a real treat from start to the end(a tribute to the great dusty springfield) sound quality is superbi have had it on audiophile vinyl,now playing it regularly on sacd,as molly would say,
DO YOURSELF A FAVOUR!.

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 @ray4410 @Telecine - I know I recommended to OTHERS that they should shell-out for Shelby but now I have to take my own advice? Well I may just do that, looks like a good one. If I do buy another of her albums will that make me a fan? If you saw my usual playlist of albums, from electronic and IDM, rock and alternative to world fusion and euro-jazz, artists of the female persuasion are relatively few but start with the incomparable Joni Mitchell with five albums then the one's from Fionna Apple to Amy Winehouse. Shelby will start her own genre, just no Loretta please..

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22 minutes ago, Grimmie said:

 @ray4410 @Telecine - I know I recommended to OTHERS that they should shell-out for Shelby but now I have to take my own advice? Well I may just do that, looks like a good one. If I do buy another of her albums will that make me a fan? If you saw my usual playlist of albums, from electronic and IDM, rock and alternative to world fusion and euro-jazz, artists of the female persuasion are relatively few but start with the incomparable Joni Mitchell with five albums then the one's from Fionna Apple to Amy Winehouse. Shelby will start her own genre, just no Loretta please..

come on now what's wrong with the coal miners daughter,that lil ol girl from butchers holler kentucky😉

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I've heard the butcher hollerin' at the Wangara food market. I think I prefer him to her!

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Not a yuge Country fan myself.  BUT - there is some very cool Western in the other half of the equation.  Mary Robbins' ancient Gun Fighter Ballads is a cracking classic.  Even my kid likes "Big Iron" (and no, it not a song about Rio Tinto.)

My favourite or all though must be Asleep at the Wheel.  Fabulous Texas / Western Swing playing over several decades.  I still haven't worked my way through the catalogue.  Will check out this Shelby character but really, as cousin Molly would say, so yourselves a favour and listen to Asleep at the Wheel - 'specially the old stuff

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46 minutes ago, Mutatis Mutandis said:

Not a yuge Country fan myself.  BUT - there is some very cool Western in the other half of the equation.  Mary Robbins' ancient Gun Fighter Ballads is a cracking classic.  Even my kid likes "Big Iron" (and no, it not a song about Rio Tinto.)

My favourite or all though must be Asleep at the Wheel.  Fabulous Texas / Western Swing playing over several decades.  I still haven't worked my way through the catalogue.  Will check out this Shelby character but really, as cousin Molly would say, so yourselves a favour and listen to Asleep at the Wheel - 'specially the old stuff

yea must admit a bit of a fan

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I used to think I hated country music, but then I began to realise there was a lot more to it than I used to think. If one judges country music by the likes of 'achey breaky heart' and videos of people boot scooting (as I once did), then they have never really taken the time to delve into the music in any depth.

 

I think my opinions started to change when I began listening to and enjoying Irish music and began to see its influences on American country music through bluegrass, and also the interactions with blues and jazz. There really is so much more to this music than a lot of people think from a casual listen.

 

Check out any of the YouTube videos of the Transatlantic Sessions to see this connection. These were a series of BBC programs featuring musical performances by Irish, Scottish and American musicians performing together at a number of locations in Scotland. They were put together by Scottish fiddle player Aly Bain and American dobro player Jerry Douglas. There were 6 series in all (nothing more since 2013 though, sadly). I really like the way this seamlessly blends American Country and Celtic music.

 

Dan Tyminski : The Boy Who Wouldn't Hoe Corn

 

 

 

More recently I have become quite a fan of Rhiannon Giddens, the more I hear of this lady the more I am impressed. She trained as an opera singer, but her real musical interest is in the music of early African American string bands.  In her early career she was in an Irish band called Gaelwynd, but then became a founding member of The Carolina Chocolate Drops before launching a solo career.

 

Here are a couple of clips. The 'minstrel banjo' she plays is a modern replica of a 19th century instrument (note it is fretless). It is music like this that has finally banished my early prejudices against country music.  There are many more videos of her on YouTube, well worth checking out.

 

 

 

 

 

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Still not converted, sorry.

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19 minutes ago, Batty said:

Still not converted, sorry.

 

Maybe you need to ease yourself into it.

 

Start with Ryan Adams "Heartbreaker".  Hey, who is that singing backup vocals with him?  Oh, Emmylou Harris.

Go get Emmylou Harris' "Wrecking Ball".  Oooh them chills is making be a chillbilly.  Now get "Luxury Liner".

Hmm who is this Gram Parsons fellow?  Oh yeah that's the stuff slide it straight into my veins.  Whose songs are they singing?

Get the Everly Brothers "Songs our daddies taught us".  Suddenly Johnny Cash starts making sense, Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson, Willy Nelson.  Maybe some Merle Haggard, hey who is this Townes Van Zandt guy anyway...

 

Dang boy, so far down the rabbit hole now I got Faron Young and Hank Williams on rotation.

 

Now, you are a country fan.

 

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3 minutes ago, Batty said:

Nah

 

...the dust that Pancho bit down south, ended up in Lefty's mouth.

 

Give it a few plays, get into that story.  Country can be trite and stupid and a lot of the new country stuff is horribly formulaic but there is a long, connected thread of amazing artists you are missing out on.  But hey, you do you!

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Closest I get is some of the solo Eric Clapton, I do like some Irish folk rock like Horslips.

Eva Cassidy is good too.

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2 minutes ago, Batty said:

Closest I get is some of the solo Eric Clapton, I do like some Irish folk rock like Horslips.

Eva Cassidy is good too.

You're half way there already then.

 

Ryan Adams with a couple of famous friends:

 

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15 minutes ago, Old Man Rubber said:

 

...the dust that Pancho bit down south, ended up in Lefty's mouth.

 

Give it a few plays, get into that story.  Country can be trite and stupid and a lot of the new country stuff is horribly formulaic but there is a long, connected thread of amazing artists you are missing out on.  But hey, you do you!

And then go and investigate Townes Van Zandt who wrote Pancho and Lefty.  There's some deep, heavy stuff down there.   And on the way check out Lucinda Williams and Patty Griffin: less polish, more grit than Emmylou but just as good.

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This is probably my limit for country and /or western😁

 

Ahhh language and content warnings for the easily offended👍

 

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33 minutes ago, Old Man Rubber said:

 

...the dust that Pancho bit down south, ended up in Lefty's mouth.

 

Give it a few plays, get into that story.  Country can be trite and stupid and a lot of the new country stuff is horribly formulaic but there is a long, connected thread of amazing artists you are missing out on.  But hey, you do you!

love emmylou,and the great buddy miller++++++++++

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I can take a little of CCR now and then too.

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When you boys grow up it will likely occur to you that there are many more appropriately risible musical genres for you to  mock. Rap, hip hop, electronica, prog rock etc. The folk blues country stream runs long deep and wide and will doubtless outlast us all. In my most humble opinion and I am the humblest man in the universe.

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 now try and tell me country ain't  hot, he fxxxxn ha. and yes mark knopfler asked gill if he would like to be a member of dire straits,he turned it down as he had just started a new record contract.

 

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13 hours ago, emesbee said:

I used to think I hated country music, but then I began to realise there was a lot more to it than I used to think. If one judges country music by the likes of 'achey breaky heart' and videos of people boot scooting (as I once did), then they have never really taken the time to delve into the music in any depth.

 

I think my opinions started to change when I began listening to and enjoying Irish music and began to see its influences on American country music through bluegrass, and also the interactions with blues and jazz. There really is so much more to this music than a lot of people think from a casual listen.

 

Check out any of the YouTube videos of the Transatlantic Sessions to see this connection. These were a series of BBC programs featuring musical performances by Irish, Scottish and American musicians performing together at a number of locations in Scotland. They were put together by Scottish fiddle player Aly Bain and American dobro player Jerry Douglas. There were 6 series in all (nothing more since 2013 though, sadly). I really like the way this seamlessly blends American Country and Celtic music.

 

Dan Tyminski : The Boy Who Wouldn't Hoe Corn

 

 

 

More recently I have become quite a fan of Rhiannon Giddens, the more I hear of this lady the more I am impressed. She trained as an opera singer, but her real musical interest is in the music of early African American string bands.  In her early career she was in an Irish band called Gaelwynd, but then became a founding member of The Carolina Chocolate Drops before launching a solo career.

 

Here are a couple of clips. The 'minstrel banjo' she plays is a modern replica of a 19th century instrument (note it is fretless). It is music like this that has finally banished my early prejudices against country music.  There are many more videos of her on YouTube, well worth checking out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Daymit! what have I done. I absolutely loved all three video on here, just super music and not AT ALL what I would have expected. The first one though is surely as much Irish jiggery pokery as Country music. Rhiannon Giddens, - now there's a voice to break your heart and fortify your soul at the same time if ever there was one. Beautiful.

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On 29/04/2021 at 12:06 AM, Grimmie said:

 

Always hated it! - well except Country Rock like Them Eagles boys, oh! and Neil Young 'cept he can't be country 'cos he's Canadian. then there's Little Feet, but I'll deny ever liking them too.

 

Then along came Shelby Lynne and her album Suit Yourself (well OK it was released in 2005 but new to me). Not sure where this one came from, can't remember buying it, and I'm sure I would never consciously fork out good money for a Country album, it's aggin' mah religion. Maybe I found it in the cheap bin and remembered a recommendation on SNA, - who knows. Then today there it was in my CD cupboard and curiosity got the better of me. I do remember playing it some time ago and trying to remain in denial, liking a recording of this genre was not an option but for some reason today, despite the thousands of other CD's and L.P.'s I have collected I chucked it on again and.... here's the rub, do I need therapy?, I really love this thing.

 

I know it ain't Country and Western yee-hah sort of music but closer to Dolly than Blondie that's for sure. The songs are fabulous, all killers (almost) and not at all cloying or sentimental for it's own sake. Superbly recorded too, a joy to attentively listen to rather than just wash the dished in the other room.

 

So I can recommend this one to all and sundry, you don't need a stetson, just an open mind and ears. That said, I still ain't coming out of my C&W hating closet just yet.

https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/68267-country-music-or-what-young-people-know-as-alternative-country-or-alt-country/


here you go

The best thread on StereoNET 😀😀😀

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1 hour ago, deepthought said:

Here's another entry  level drug -

 

 

Wonderful record

Billy Bragg and Wilco putting music to lyrics written by Woody Guthrie 

Billy Bragg is a natural fit for Woody Guthrie 

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20 hours ago, Grimmie said:

I've heard the butcher hollerin' at the Wangara food market. I think I prefer him to her!

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj-ooX0hqXwAhXYyzgGHVs7BscQtwIwBHoECAQQAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.streetdirectory.com%2Flyricadvisor%2Fsong%2Fpfjeew%2Fpill%2F&usg=AOvVaw1-enyHssHXparH3FI8v4Bh
If your butcher can come up with a better song than this

Ill buy meat off him 

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Nooooooooo...... Get thee behind me Satan!

 

Got 40 seconds into that one and cringed my way to the eject button. So sorry @keyse1 but that epitomises what has kept me away from Country, C&W or Western music, can't handle that. The Wilco one is just too ordinary too.

 

Thanks anyway, I appreciate the effort to save my soul.

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52 minutes ago, Grimmie said:

 

Nooooooooo...... Get thee behind me Satan!

 

Got 40 seconds into that one and cringed my way to the eject button. So sorry @keyse1 but that epitomises what has kept me away from Country, C&W or Western music, can't handle that. The Wilco one is just too ordinary too.

 

Thanks anyway, I appreciate the effort to save my soul.

You probably don’t like the traditional country music

Stick with what is called Americana which is where Shelby Lynn would fit

if you are on Spotify I’ve got country music albums on playlists 

If you are interested just shuffle play at keyse1 

 Country music is a bottomless pit of great songwriters musicians and singers and it does require time to adjust your ears so to speak

But most importantly you need curiosity where Shelby Lynn comes in

One of the genuinely weird things on Stereo Net is the lack of curiosity about music in general and following records down rabbit warrens looking for the source and discovering all the incredible music on the highways and byways that make up great musical  genres

 

 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, keyse1 said:

 

One of the genuinely weird things on Stereo Net is the lack of curiosity about music in general and following records down rabbit warrens looking for the source and discovering all the incredible music on the highways and byways that make up great musical  genres

 

 

 

 

To be fair, the audience leans toward people who are primarily into the gear and not necessarily the musical journey, I'm in no position to criticise others musical tastes but there's been no greater time in history to be able to wander off the beaten path and listen to things that 30 years ago would have been financially prohibitive without access to a big city library.

 

The downside of course is finding something new you love and then wanting to own it and not just stream it.

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9 hours ago, Old Man Rubber said:

You're half way there already then.

 

Ryan Adams with a couple of famous friends:

 

Never liked country till l heard Whiskeytowns album

Strangers Almanac, which was fronted by Ryan Adams. I think it might be a sub genre under the heading alt-country? Not too fussed on his stuff under his own name though.

 

True story this. Apparantly at one of his concerts a punter thought he was Bryan Adams. Yelled out to Ryan to play Summer of 69. The story goes he chucked a real wobbly. Wouldn't play till they kicked the poor fellah out. But l have heard he is quite a pretentious so an so.

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On 29/04/2021 at 6:01 AM, Telecine said:

This one is worth a listen too Grimmie, I was spinning it just the other day, dangnabbit:

 

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Yes this sounds nice -

thank you also for the recommendation @Grimmie

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37 minutes ago, needlerunner said:

 

 

True story this. Apparantly at one of his concerts a punter thought he was Bryan Adams. Yelled out to Ryan to play Summer of 69. The story goes he chucked a real wobbly. Wouldn't play till they kicked the poor fellah out. But l have heard he is quite a pretentious so an so.

He comes across as an insufferable prat when interviewed.  I think his album Heartbreaker is phenomenal but the follow up was...less impressive.  Still a talented bastard though.

 

Edit:  also apparently a sex pest.

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On 29/04/2021 at 6:01 AM, Telecine said:

This one is worth a listen too Grimmie, I was spinning it just the other day, dangnabbit:

 

XJiaoWs.png

 

Not a country or a western fan (maybe a little later type Glen Campbell, he was, after all approached by EVH for some lessons or Johnny Cash doing Nine Inch Nails), however, Shelby Lynne on this album doing Dusty Springfield songs has been a real find.

 

Great sound, easy to listen too and if my foot starts tappin’ again, I’m getting it amputated……

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11 hours ago, Batty said:

Still not converted, sorry.

 

Not trying to convert anyone, but the fact that you are viewing this thread .........  :ermm:

 

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Lyle Lovett makes some really sophisticated country music.Most of the albums  have great recording quality and musicianship too.Joshua Judges Ruth is one of my favourite albums.

 

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"I married her, because you know she looks like you"....

 

Lyle is 'tongue in cheek' to the nines on that one....

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4 minutes ago, emesbee said:

 

Not trying to convert anyone, but the fact that you are viewing this thread .........  :ermm:

 

I can't speak for @Batty but my reason for looking at this thread is on the same level as why people slow down to look at car crashes, a touch of horror, a touch of biliousness, and a large dash of , Really? And it's all happening in slow motion.

Country (& Western) has forever been a foreign country to me. Now, once and a while, I occasionally come across something I like. Given the size and history of the genre it's simply not possible for there not to be some things that I like, and more rarely, love. But in general, I struggle with it. In my collection you will find a few C &/or W albums. They're the ones that rarely see the light of day apart from the, usually, one extra special track that resides thereupon, e.g. Dolly Parton's album, Halos & Horns, and her version of Stairway to Heaven. All the rest is....meh, to me at least. I'm not saying that there's any lack of talent, that's patently ridiculous. There's plenty of talent. But that old joke about a singer getting an audience even if they were singing the telephone book (remember them?) applies to most of the C&W artists out there. Unless I wanted to know the number of the AAA Aardvark Removal Company I wouldn't bother turning up.

And it's funny, to me at least, that the artist whose album triggered this thread, Shelby Lynn, I have never thought of as a country artist, she's just a great singer with great musical taste.. And the just now mentioned Lyle Lovett is the same, a great singer and songwriter who has great taste. That they use country to flavour the music is just coincidental.

Also, please, don't get me wrong, I am not saying that you aren't allowed to really enjoy the music. Please do, just carry on as normal, my opinion should have no impact upon what floats your boat. Allow me  the same leeway to find C&W as unfathomable as you find it enjoyable though, won't you.

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