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PANAMORPH UH480 - ADDITION TO MY EPSON 9400 PROJECTOR ?


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Hello Guys,

 

Hope all is well.  The set up on my home projector has been really good.

 

Thanks to @betty boop advise its all happy running.

 

The next stage is I want to add a panamorph UH480 on to my Epson 9400.

 

 Do you know anyone in Sydney who can help install it for me ?

 

Please advice...

 

Thanks

 

 

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On 16/04/2021 at 2:26 PM, SUPEROX said:

 

Hello Guys,

 

Hope all is well.  The set up on my home projector has been really good.

 

Thanks to @betty boop advise its all happy running.

 

The next stage is I want to add a panamorph UH480 on to my Epson 9400.

 

 Do you know anyone in Sydney who can help install it for me ?

 

Please advice...

 

Thanks

 

 

if were in QLD am sure mark techer or oztheatre would help you out..

 

in sydney if already have the pana morph, perhaps check in with retailers therefore a decent specialist stores able to this. perhaps other folk here can advise...

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On 21/04/2021 at 7:44 PM, SUPEROX said:

Thanks @betty boop !  

 

I might ask our dear @Len Wallis Audio to assists with this..

 

So far I am really happy with the Epson 9400.... just amazing!!

 

 

 

I would ring around and ask them 'what brands and models of A-lenses have you installed' and if they ask what is an A-lens, hang up haha. because having a lavish shop doesn't mean they know what the hell they're doing in that regard. You need an installer versed in this. But honestly it's not too hard, you could spend the time getting it exactly focused yourself after it's up.

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Hello @oztheatre

 

haha!  Yeah, that is totally true.  I might ask a few more people ....  any installer here in Sydney ?

 

Is there a special plate required that links the PROJECTOR EPSON 9400 and the Panamorph ?

 

I do just need to "hang it up" securely and perhaps an adjustment that moves it back and forth...

 

It is basically a motorised slide with a UH480 panamorph lens...

 

Hope I  get someone here at the forum...to help me a bit...

 

 

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1 hour ago, SUPEROX said:

Hello @oztheatre

 

haha!  Yeah, that is totally true.  I might ask a few more people ....  any installer here in Sydney ?

 

Is there a special plate required that links the PROJECTOR EPSON 9400 and the Panamorph ?

 

I do just need to "hang it up" securely and perhaps an adjustment that moves it back and forth...

 

It is basically a motorised slide with a UH480 panamorph lens...

 

Hope I  get someone here at the forum...to help me a bit...

 

 

 

I would set it all up on a table top first and take some measurements. I'm not familiar these days with panamorph as I don't think there's any real benefit these days outside of brightness increase which they claim a 33% increase is yielded... but not sure. 

So the slide is motorised?

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I would mount them both to form ply or similar ply (marine etc) around an inch thick that way you know it's square to the PJ and lens and shouldn't twist. If the lens doesn't have a sled then I'd go with drawer sliders from bunnings. The fully closed position on the guides is where the lens sits perfectly in the lights path and you just slide it out with a duster or stick/whatever. I always just left mine in the position though mate even when gaming as your brain tends to ignore the squashed ratio without vertical stretching it (you would lose picture info if vertical stretching 16x9 content)... 

Either way I would go with what Rich said above and set it up on a table first. It will only need very minor changes once installed on the ceiling or off a PJ bracket

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On 24/04/2021 at 6:24 PM, oztheatre said:

 

I would set it all up on a table top first and take some measurements. I'm not familiar these days with panamorph as I don't think there's any real benefit these days outside of brightness increase which they claim a 33% increase is yielded... but not sure. 

So the slide is motorised?

hi oz, i read recently its not 33% increase in lumens more like 10% ! when measured ? which seems hardly worth it ? i the other benefit is the more higher res image vs zooming ? as using the full chips resolution ?

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Hi @oztheatre ...yes the slide is motorised.... 

 

HI @bjc .. do you have a photo of your set up ?  I would like to see the bunning sled you are mentioning.

 

The main reason why I want to add this is to be able to watch 16:9 on a 2:35 screen.. (not i deal because they are stretched but it gives me that wide screen effect...

 

This how it has been attached on the ceiling. so I cant mount it on table...

 

thanks again..

projector position epson 9400.jpg

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I've had my HT packed up for years now and then we got a flood so most of my gear got written off, I still have the Xeit lens though. I was also only using mine on a cabinet at the back of the room that housed all of my HT equipment as my ceiling is under 2m high.

The "sled" as such are just steel sliders that you have on most heavy duty drawers, here's a link - HERE 

Looking at your picture you'll have to mount a separate board to the ceiling (unless that gap in the projectors mount will suit), then mount the drawer slider to that board and another board unless your lens mount will bolt straight to the guide/slider. Watch the video of the lady mounting the guide as slow as she possibly can lol to see how it's done. It really is easy though... 

Hopefully you have a ceiling joist or hat channel close so you can mount the board to just so you don't have to have a large piece connected to the ceiling. 

 

I've got a motorised sled which I bought from here when I bought the Xeit lens from the seller but could never use it due to ceiling height (beam actually). It's just a linear actuator like what you get in motorised recliners or beds so it's reasonably slow. 

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On 25/04/2021 at 8:07 PM, betty boop said:

hi oz, i read recently its not 33% increase in lumens more like 10% ! when measured ? which seems hardly worth it ? i the other benefit is the more higher res image vs zooming ? as using the full chips resolution ?

 

Hi Al, how are you? Yes normally 10-15% but this one is different they are using thinner glass. I queried them on this and they said absolutely measured 33% luminance increase so I didn't push any further. It's likely less maybe 25% who knows. but no lens is 100% transparent. Tony's was close to perfect though.

 

If I still had one I'd keep using it, because I have it, but they are just too expensive for the small gains you make. zooming, if pixels are small enough and brightness still ok then you get by without one.

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You can also leave the lens in place and re scale but then we're getting into the whole pixel count and brightness issues which is the reasons for a lens in the first place.

 

So you add brightness from pixels in the black bars for scope films and add line doubling scaling.

But when you use the 4:3 mode on the PJ and leave lens in place to stretch to 16:9 you are stripping out every 4th line of resolution and losing actual information and brightness. pros and cons with and without.

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Sorry my bad, I thought the OP was using the new Panamorph DC1 I think it's called.. just noticed it's the 480, so yes perhaps 10-15% increase in brightness. thicker elements, more losses over all.

 

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On 27/04/2021 at 10:49 PM, oztheatre said:

You can also leave the lens in place and re scale but then we're getting into the whole pixel count and brightness issues which is the reasons for a lens in the first place.

 

So you add brightness from pixels in the black bars for scope films and add line doubling scaling.

But when you use the 4:3 mode on the PJ and leave lens in place to stretch to 16:9 you are stripping out every 4th line of resolution and losing actual information and brightness. pros and cons with and without.

 

Yes I never bothered setting the projector to 4:3 in 16:9 content. I just left it in 16:9 and the image was distorted. It never bothered me while gaming and made vertical (or horizontal) split screen co-op a champion... 

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On 16/04/2021 at 1:56 PM, SUPEROX said:

 

Hello Guys,

 

Hope all is well.  The set up on my home projector has been really good.

 

Thanks to @betty boop advise its all happy running.

 

The next stage is I want to add a panamorph UH480 on to my Epson 9400.

 

 Do you know anyone in Sydney who can help install it for me ?

 

Please advice...

 

Thanks

 

 

Doesn’t the 9400 have lens memory positions? Would it be easier to use these. Be interested to know if a panamorph would be benefit or detrimental.

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On 01/05/2021 at 8:20 PM, mttel said:

Doesn’t the 9400 have lens memory positions? Would it be easier to use these. Be interested to know if a panamorph would be benefit or detrimental.

 

Yes the epsons lens memory works great.

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Hi. Please check www.panamorph.com or the latest offerings and their dead easy operation.  You no longer need a sled as the new lenses either direct attach to the lens aperture or can be mounted on a benchtop or on the ceiling. Give Chris McCormick [ a CEDIA award winning cinema designer ] a call on 0404069617 as he has installed a number of lenses, and has one set up in his showroom.

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