andyr Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I thought "The Great Audio Debate" section was the most appropriate place for my question - given I expect it will get radically different responses. I was prompted to post because I've: listened to quite a few people's systems in the last 6 months or so, and recently made a significant amp change in my own (active) system. It seems to me that everyone probably has different issues that spoil their listening. For me, I would say - in order of most annoying first: 'listener fatigue' - by which I mean there's a hard edge to the music coming from the speakers which means, after a short while ... you simply don't want to keep listening. The cause is varied - it could be a metal tweeter ... it could be an amp which emphasises odd-order harmonics ... as well as other things. hum from the speakers. Due to, essentially, earthing problems in the system as a whole. noise from components - such as fan noise or transformer hum. a high noise floor - typically due to a crap power supply ... or insufficent shielding. sibilance - aah, but is this in the recording ... or is your system creating/emphasising it? lack of soundstage depth (soundstage width is easy!). congestion - ie. a lack of clarity in the musical lines going on. So ... what are others' issues. "Tone" might be one, for instance, that is super-important to some people? Andy 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rantan Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I don't have any of the issues already cited, but badly pressed/warped records ( from brand new ) really spoil my day. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeddie Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I would say a poor source. Doesn't matter how good your kit is, if the source is shite. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryT Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 I spent the last year eliminating hum, hiss, buzzing etc by focussing on cleaning up my power. I found those issues to be the most grating for me, since I often listen quietly in the background and only really wind it up when I know the neighbors are out. Warped records are awful though. Thankfully I haven't had a new record arrive warped for years. I do see a lot of modern popular music pressings cut just off center, which annoys the crap out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogie44 Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Whatever is impossible to ignore easily--especially background hum/buzz/dirty power issues. I think the listener fatigue item would rapidly lead to a change in system components or configuration, wouldn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anandpkumar Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Let me add a factor that is oft ignored - our current mood. Depending upon my mood, I have loved some albums or been ambivalent to it - same room, same system. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyr Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 hours ago, anandpkumar said: Let me add a factor that is oft ignored - our current mood. Depending upon my mood, I have loved some albums or been ambivalent to it - same room, same system. OK ... how about a 2nd answer to my Qu if you assume you are in a 'beneficial' mood? What annoys you, then? Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) Up until a while ago I would say inconsistency in source material especially in how much bass content varies between recordings. This recording does not have enough bass... This recording has the right amount of bass... This recording has too much bass... So what to do? And to make the matter even more complicated my system is a dual purpose Music and HT system. Well on my main digital processor I now have four profiles and they all get some use. Flat 2dB Bass Gain (Harman based) 4dB Bass Gain (Harman based) 6dB Bass Gain (Harman based) Tone controls ?!?!? Edited March 20, 2021 by Satanica 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 19 hours ago, andyr said: I thought "The Great Audio Debate" section was the most appropriate place for my question - given I expect it will get radically different responses. I was prompted to post because I've: listened to quite a few people's systems in the last 6 months or so, and recently made a significant amp change in my own (active) system. It seems to me that everyone probably has different issues that spoil their listening. For me, I would say - in order of most annoying first: 'listener fatigue' - by which I mean there's a hard edge to the music coming from the speakers which means, after a short while ... you simply don't want to keep listening. The cause is varied - it could be a metal tweeter ... it could be an amp which emphasises odd-order harmonics ... as well as other things. hum from the speakers. Due to, essentially, earthing problems in the system as a whole. noise from components - such as fan noise or transformer hum. a high noise floor - typically due to a crap power supply ... or insufficent shielding. sibilance - aah, but is this in the recording ... or is your system creating/emphasising it? lack of soundstage depth (soundstage width is easy!). congestion - ie. a lack of clarity in the musical lines going on. So ... what are others' issues. "Tone" might be one, for instance, that is super-important to some people? Andy Shouldn't Stereonet be added to that list? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Satanica said: Up until a while ago I would say inconsistency in source material especially in how much bass content varies between recordings. This recording does not have enough bass... This recording has the right amount of bass... This recording has too much bass... So what to do? And to make the matter even more complicated my system is a dual purpose Music and HT system. Well on my main digital processor I now have four profiles and they all get some use. Flat 2dB Bass Gain (Harman based) 4dB Bass Gain (Harman based) 6dB Bass Gain (Harman based) I purposely put the level control for my bass way down low in the rack. The effort to get up, walk over, and bend down to adjust it (then go back and listen, then go over and tweak it again, etc... is just too much, so I just put up with it as it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satanica Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, aussievintage said: I purposely put the level control for my bass way down low in the rack. The effort to get up, walk over, and bend down to adjust it (then go back and listen, then go over and tweak it again, etc... is just too much, so I just put up with it as it is Ha, fair enough. I should add that all four profiles are remote control changeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Limited space Neighbours ears Budget 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC. Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 (edited) On 19/03/2021 at 5:19 PM, anandpkumar said: Let me add a factor that is oft ignored - our current mood. Depending upon my mood, I have loved some albums or been ambivalent to it - same room, same system. This !!! I can play something one day and absolutely love it. Excited by the experience, play it all the same the following day and hate it. Unless it’s air temperature/moisture or power feed related then it has to be mental/mood. Same thing happens with my electric guitar amps. Edited March 23, 2021 by JC. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 I like to avoid interruptions, and I prefer to do my critical listening deep into the night.. When the noise floor truly drops to almost nothing, and my equipment sounds even better. Even a basic mp3 recording will sound sweeter. No one walking past, no messages on my phone and just a little cup of soup, my stereo and my music... My idea of quiet time.. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittaku Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 Inadequate wine and cheese. 5 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 8 hours ago, petetherock said: No one walking past, no messages on my phone and just a little cup of soup, Oh, that brings back memories. Many years ago, “back in the old country” I used to love a cup of late night soup. I may have to pick up this habit again, after all, winter is coming. What are you having, I suppose something light? I might start with a nice miso. Is there a soup thread on SNA already? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petetherock Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 It’s either a light tomato, or if I’m going to be listening for hours, I’ll have a bigger and thicker cream of leek along some Table Eight crackers... cheese doesn’t agree with me at that hour.. somewhere along the way, I’ll have to play ‘Nightshift’.. it’s a ritual... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
April Snow Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Sibilance (looking at YOU Rod Stewart Greatest Hits repress !!) - LOL Brand new records that arrive warped Brand new records that arrive with scuffs/scratches/marks and then you have to pay attention to see if it affects playback instead of enjoying the music Current mood really does come into play too - I find listening to albums on a Saturday afternoon for example is not as nice as listening late at night. For some reason music sounds better late evening.............. is it because of atmosphere? Mood? more relaxed not sure - but just something I have really noticed. Edited March 24, 2021 by April Snow 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esoterica Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 19/03/2021 at 5:18 PM, andyr said: I thought "The Great Audio Debate" section was the most appropriate place for my question - given I expect it will get radically different responses. I was prompted to post because I've: listened to quite a few people's systems in the last 6 months or so, and recently made a significant amp change in my own (active) system. It seems to me that everyone probably has different issues that spoil their listening. For me, I would say - in order of most annoying first: 'listener fatigue' - by which I mean there's a hard edge to the music coming from the speakers which means, after a short while ... you simply don't want to keep listening. The cause is varied - it could be a metal tweeter ... it could be an amp which emphasises odd-order harmonics ... as well as other things. hum from the speakers. Due to, essentially, earthing problems in the system as a whole. noise from components - such as fan noise or transformer hum. a high noise floor - typically due to a crap power supply ... or insufficent shielding. sibilance - aah, but is this in the recording ... or is your system creating/emphasising it? lack of soundstage depth (soundstage width is easy!). congestion - ie. a lack of clarity in the musical lines going on. So ... what are others' issues. "Tone" might be one, for instance, that is super-important to some people? Andy You must have good ears if you can discern all those issues. I guess I have wood ears as I don't notice too much about the audio quality itself lacking. I mean, my system is far from perfect, but there are only a few minor aspects I'd like improved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esoterica Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Steffen said: Oh, that brings back memories. Many years ago, “back in the old country” I used to love a cup of late night soup. I may have to pick up this habit again, after all, winter is coming. What are you having, I suppose something light? I might start with a nice miso. Is there a soup thread on SNA already? Haha, I don't like soup, so normally don't eat it, but have had it many times recently. I had a difficult tooth extraction (dodgy dentist I reckon) which resulted in dry socket and I'm still in some pain over a month later, hence a lot of soup as even the softer solid foods were painful to eat. In that time I haven't made my own. I've had potato and leek (love!) and the heinz winter vegetable is a good, hearty one. Very peppery though, which I usually like, but I think it's overkill in that. Also had creamy chicken and mushroom, which is quite good considering I normally dislike mushroom flavoured soups and sauces, even though I like mushrooms... campbells cream of chicken, and asparagus and celery... hmm maybe I do like soup afterall lol. Well it's the best time of the year for them now also, with it getting cooler. I bought a whole chook to roast, then make stock from the bones the other day. Going to make a creamy broccoli soup since it's not one I've seen in shops, and tastes pretty good/is healthy. Love a french onion soup from scratch too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittaku Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Esoterica said: You must have good ears if you can discern all those issues. I guess I have wood ears as I don't notice too much about the audio quality itself lacking. I mean, my system is far from perfect, but there are only a few minor aspects I'd like improved. It's hard to believe such a comment is being posted on the same forum where people say they can't live without the massive improvements a $1000 ethernet cable (allegedly) provides... 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ittaku said: It's hard to believe I would have hit the like button, but I don’t want to be accused of excessive high-fiving again... 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrC Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 On 20/03/2021 at 9:55 AM, aussievintage said: Shouldn't Stereonet be added to that list? Can you please elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittaku Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, Steffen said: I would have hit the like button, but I don’t want to be accused of excessive high-fiving again... :highfive: 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojo Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 I fortunately do not have any of the issues in the original list, but one that I do have, and may I possibly add it to the list, is the wife shouting from the other room - "would you turn the volume down?! I am trying to sleep here!" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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