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Very excited to be a new member and partake in reading and discussions of hifi gears. I am currently keen on streamer transports to replace an old laptop running JRiver 

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You could also look at an external PSU from Clay (Gieseler Audio). Great products and you get local support in case anything goes wrong.

Go up the Lumin range, D2, T2 for better power supply.   No experience with Aurender.   The dCS Network Bridge had a price rise 6-9 months ago!  So, now way outside your budget.

I’ve got a T2 in a box under my desk for sale right now https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/339467-fs-lumin-t2-network-streaming-dac/

3 hours ago, Tiki said:

Very excited to be a new member and partake in reading and discussions of hifi gears. I am currently keen on streamer transports to replace an old laptop running JRiver 

Hi there, what is your budget?

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2 hours ago, Gryffles said:

Hi there, what is your budget?

Depends. But wouldn't be over $5k

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3 minutes ago, Tiki said:

Depends. But wouldn't be over $5k

You’ll be in another world after using a laptop ?

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4 minutes ago, Tiki said:

Depends. But wouldn't be over $5k

:welcome:to the forum..

 

Lots of options from a few hundred to $5K and lots more. Sorry more questions.

 

Continue using JRiver? Do you want to DIY and put together an audiophile computer? Or buy a streamer? Music stored on same device?  Rip music?  DAC built in?

 

Some examples of streamers to start you thinking

https://www.bluesound.com/products/node/

https://nadelectronics.com/product/c-658-bluos-streaming-dac/

https://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1-mini.html

https://us.auralic.com/products/aries-g1

https://innuos.com/zen_mini_mk3/

https://sonicpurity.com.au/store/music-servers-and-streaming/antipodes-s30

 

The more expensive the unit, the better the power supply, internal clocks and chassis. Also a better DAC if built in.

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1 hour ago, Snoopy8 said:

:welcome:to the forum..

 

Lots of options from a few hundred to $5K and lots more. Sorry more questions.

 

Continue using JRiver? Do you want to DIY and put together an audiophile computer? Or buy a streamer? Music stored on same device?  Rip music?  DAC built in?

 

Some examples of streamers to start you thinking

https://www.bluesound.com/products/node/

https://nadelectronics.com/product/c-658-bluos-streaming-dac/

https://www.luminmusic.com/lumin-u1-mini.html

https://us.auralic.com/products/aries-g1

https://innuos.com/zen_mini_mk3/

https://sonicpurity.com.au/store/music-servers-and-streaming/antipodes-s30

 

The more expensive the unit, the better the power supply, internal clocks and chassis. Also a better DAC if built in.

No, not building one.

Lumin U1 Mini caught my attention. But concern about its switch power supply. Auralic is out too due to its bias towards Mac/Apple for control.

The Innous seem good but I don't need a cd ripper. To me ripped cd files don't sound anywhere near the cd itself.

Recently discovered Aurender ACS100, and DCS Network Bridge. In Stereo.net.au's review the indicated price is $6995, not $9995 as seen elsewhere on some Aus retailer websites. Any comments on these?

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Hi Tiki,

 

you should check out the Ayon Audio NW-T DSD. It is a sweet tube sounding streamer, that will take away any harshness of digital files. In my opinion the best sounding streamer I have heard. There will be one up for sale on SNA pretty soon and it will fit in your budget.

https://www.melbournehifi.com.au/products/ayon-audio-nw-t-network-transport

https://www.ayonaudio.com/product/ayon-nw-t-dsd-transport/

 

Kind regards JayBee

 

 

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10 minutes ago, JayBee said:

Hi Tiki,

 

you should check out the Ayon Audio NW-T DSD. It is a sweet tube sounding streamer, that will take away any harshness of digital files. In my opinion the best sounding streamer I have heard. There will be one up for sale on SNA pretty soon and it will fit in your budget.

https://www.melbournehifi.com.au/products/ayon-audio-nw-t-network-transport

https://www.ayonaudio.com/product/ayon-nw-t-dsd-transport/

 

Kind regards JayBee

 

 

Hi Jaycee,

Thanks for the recommendation. I will check it out.

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1 hour ago, Tiki said:

Lumin U1 Mini caught my attention. But concern about its switch power supply.

Go up the Lumin range, D2, T2 for better power supply.

 

1 hour ago, Tiki said:

Recently discovered Aurender ACS100, and DCS Network Bridge. In Stereo.net.au's review the indicated price is $6995, not $9995 as seen elsewhere on some Aus retailer websites. Any comments on these?

No experience with Aurender.

 

The dCS Network Bridge had a price rise 6-9 months ago!  So, now way outside your budget.

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1 hour ago, BugPowderDust said:

I’ve got a T2 in a box under my desk for sale right now

https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/339467-fs-lumin-t2-network-streaming-dac/

Unfortunately I don't need any with in-built DAC, just a digital streamer.

Thanks for clarifying about the DCS. That puts it out of my reach.

The Innous Zen Mk3 and Lumin U1 Mini are about the same price. Any idea how they compare?

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14 hours ago, Tiki said:

Unfortunately I don't need any with in-built DAC, just a digital streamer.

Thanks for clarifying about the DCS. That puts it out of my reach.

The Innous Zen Mk3 and Lumin U1 Mini are about the same price. Any idea how they compare?

I would not dismiss an in-built DAC so quickly.  A streamer/DAC has the advantages of not requiring a good interconnect, sharing the same master clock and good power supply (PS).  Potentially it can replace 4 boxes: Streamer + PS, DAC + PS plus a good interconnect.

 

You would find there are people here in both camps, Innuos and Lumin.  Some comparisons on other forums using Google:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58963-lumin-to-innous-comparison-help/

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/streamer-advice-lumin-auralic-innuos-others

https://forum.psaudio.com/t/auralic-vs-aurender-vs-innuos-vs-others/15946

 

At the end of the day, they will be a significant improvement over your old laptop.

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39 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

I would not dismiss an in-built DAC so quickly.  A streamer/DAC has the advantages of not requiring a good interconnect, sharing the same master clock and good power supply (PS).  Potentially it can replace 4 boxes: Streamer + PS, DAC + PS plus a good interconnect.

 

You would find there are people here in both camps, Innuos and Lumin.  Some comparisons on other forums using Google:

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/58963-lumin-to-innous-comparison-help/

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/streamer-advice-lumin-auralic-innuos-others

https://forum.psaudio.com/t/auralic-vs-aurender-vs-innuos-vs-others/15946

 

At the end of the day, they will be a significant improvement over your old laptop.

Hey Snoopy8, thanks for the advice. I have just spent on a DAC. That's the reason I am not doubling up on the new streamer.

I will check out the links you have provided. Appreciate comments and suggestions everyone 's put forward.

Down the track I might even put in a DDC (digital to digital converter) between streamer and DAC.

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17 hours ago, Tiki said:

Unfortunately I don't need any with in-built DAC, just a digital streamer.

The t2 can be used in transport mode via the USB port on the rear to an external dac. 

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11 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said:

The t2 can be used in transport mode via the USB port on the rear to an external dac. 

Question... On the T2, if used as a Roon endpoint and with a USB Dac connected, does Roon see both the T2 and the USB Dac as endpoints or do you need to switch the T2 into a mode to see the connected Dac? I'm showing a little interest in your T2.

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I can’t say I’ve tested it but i would imagine it would be the same as the u1 from a Roon perspective.

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Roon to the LUMIN then usb to the downstream dac. I’m not sure it would detect the DAC via USB through the LUMIN.


You’ll just need to ensure you set up the t2 USB output to stream only the bitrates your dac plays nice with.

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That behaviour seems consistent across brands too:

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The T2 will playback up to DSD512 via USB so it’s pretty much future proof on that front.

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Highly recommend LUMIN, I love my D2.

 

I cant stand the sound quality of a Node 2i when compared to LUMIN D2.

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On 06/03/2021 at 6:57 PM, Tiki said:

No, not building one.

Lumin U1 Mini caught my attention. But concern about its switch power supply.

They are sensational even with standard Power supply, but easy to fit an adaptor socket and buy an Sbooster linear PSU like I did. 

Then the U1 Mini is effectively the U1 without the massive price tag.

 

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12 hours ago, evil c said:

They are sensational even with standard Power supply, but easy to fit an adaptor socket and buy an Sbooster linear PSU like I did. 

Then the U1 Mini is effectively the U1 without the massive price tag.

 

I would probably go down this route. 

The SBooster is out of stock and there's no indication of a restock date. 

What's involved in the diy?

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You could also look at an external PSU from Clay (Gieseler Audio). Great products and you get local support in case anything goes wrong.

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13 minutes ago, Tiki said:

I would probably go down this route. 

The SBooster is out of stock and there's no indication of a restock date. 

What's involved in the diy?

Simply removing the lid, disconnecting all the wires to the internal power supply and remove. 

There is one red wire that needs to be either desoldered as I did, or cut that connects to the IEC socket on the back.

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Then just a matter of fitting an adaptor plate with pin socket and clipping on few wires to the main circuit board.

Here is with the plate fitted and wires connected ready to go.

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You can  buy these from Groove Works here in Australia. 

4 minutes ago, anandpkumar said:

You could also look at an external PSU from Clay (Gieseler Audio). Great products and you get local support in case anything goes wrong.

Great suggestion,  just buy the adaptor plate with pin socket and wires from Groove Works. 

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6 minutes ago, anandpkumar said:

You could also look at an external PSU from Clay (Gieseler Audio). Great products and you get local support in case anything goes wrong.

Thanks for this!

Always good to have alternatives.

Do you have one of theirs? On a Lumin U1 Mini too? 

I like having an upgrade path like this. Something to look forward to in small steps.

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13 hours ago, evil c said:

They are sensational even with standard Power supply, but easy to fit an adaptor socket and buy an Sbooster linear PSU like I did. 

Then the U1 Mini is effectively the U1 without the massive price tag

@evil c  did you notice much difference in sound quality? I am looking at one of these myself. 

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Evil, Thanks! I think I can handle that.

But first I need to get the U1 Mini first.

Any tips on where to get a good deal from?

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11 minutes ago, Tiki said:

Thanks for this!

Always good to have alternatives.

Do you have one of theirs? On a Lumin U1 Mini too? 

I like having an upgrade path like this. Something to look forward to in small steps.

Nope, I don't have Clay's PSU (called Kraftwerk). There are quite a few users here that have them, and they are highly praised. I think Clay offers a 30 day return policy if you are inclined to try out.

 

I have an Auralic streaming transport with the Auralic external PSU - so no experience with Lumin. I am very happy with mine. Naim, Auralic, Lumin, Aurinder, Linn are the usual candidates if you are looking for a network streamer in the $5K range

 

Yes, probably best to start with the standard PSU, and then add an external one so that you can notice any changes in sound quality as you upgrade

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7 minutes ago, peterpan said:

@evil c  did you notice much difference in sound quality? I am looking at one of these myself. 

Yes it provided a solid improvement,  more dynamic and better soundstage. 

6 minutes ago, Tiki said:

Evil, Thanks! I think I can handle that.

But first I need to get the U1 Mini first.

Any tips on where to get a good deal from?

Tougher to get good deals with the shortage of availability, so best one would be buying a 2nd hand one.

They come up occasionally on here.

That's how I did it.  ?

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On 07/03/2021 at 12:15 PM, Tony B said:

Question... On the T2, if used as a Roon endpoint and with a USB Dac connected, does Roon see both the T2 and the USB Dac as endpoints or do you need to switch the T2 into a mode to see the connected Dac? I'm showing a little interest in your T2.

 

For T2 output to USB DAC, it needs to be switched using Lumin app from Analog to USB output.

 

If you don't ever use the T2 internal DAC (analog output), you're probably better off using U1 MINI instead unless you require DSD512 (for Linux native DSD compatible DAC only).

 

That being said, I do encourage users to try out our internal DAC (on T2 X1 D2, etc.), with DSD512 capability (T2 X1 only) and full MQA decoding.

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Got the Lumin U1 Mini this afternoon.

First hour of listening it sounded like am radio which was way below my laptop Jriver streaming.

The SQ improved quite drastically after. The USB  output is disappointing so far. Hope I will get better. Found the AES output much better. Is this every owner's finding? Please feedback.

There are also issues with the Lumin app used with Minimserver. I am getting album duplicates. They are not always exact duplicates, sometimes only a few tracks are duplicated. Please help to resolve. Sos!

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1 hour ago, Tiki said:

Got the Lumin U1 Mini this afternoon.

First hour of listening it sounded like am radio which was way below my laptop Jriver streaming.

The SQ improved quite drastically after. The USB  output is disappointing so far. Hope I will get better. Found the AES output much better. Is this every owner's finding? Please feedback.

There are also issues with the Lumin app used with Minimserver. I am getting album duplicates. They are not always exact duplicates, sometimes only a few tracks are duplicated. Please help to resolve. Sos!

What USB cable you are using? Also the iOS version of lumin app is much better than Android version. I use roon, the compatibility is flawless.

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My usb cable is JCAT twin cable design which I could use with my laptop but not with U1M.

I don't have an ipad.

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18 hours ago, Tiki said:

Got the Lumin U1 Mini this afternoon.

First hour of listening it sounded like am radio which was way below my laptop Jriver streaming.

The SQ improved quite drastically after. The USB  output is disappointing so far. Hope I will get better. Found the AES output much better. Is this every owner's finding? Please feedback.

There are also issues with the Lumin app used with Minimserver. I am getting album duplicates. They are not always exact duplicates, sometimes only a few tracks are duplicated. Please help to resolve. Sos!

The duplicate album issue is sorted now. I actually had a mixture of flac and wav files on the NAS.

 

U1M usb is now preferred over the AES after 24h of burn in. The latter was found to be too edgy. Regardless it hasn't surpassed my old laptop yet.

Getting more acquainted with the Lumin app and as such easier to navigate.

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14 hours ago, Tiki said:

My usb cable is JCAT twin cable design which I could use with my laptop but not with U1M.

I don't have an ipad.

use usb isolator might be helpful. I am using ifi one which is good.

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The twin cable actually worked as there are two usb sockets on U1M. 

The sound from it is gradually becoming better. There is substance and palpability in voices and instruments. 

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12 hours ago, Tiki said:

What is an usb isolator?

 

 

I use this one with a external linear power supply.

 

Also for all dac and preamp I use power Purifier, cheap and effective.

 

 

 

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We have compared lumin t2 as a streamer with sotm sms200ultra neo. T2 sounded horrible compared to sotm. 

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57 minutes ago, audiome said:

We have compared lumin t2 as a streamer with sotm sms200ultra neo. T2 sounded horrible compared to sotm. 

Very helpful, OP bought a Lumin.

Luckily it's the U1 Mini like mine. ?

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