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After spending a lot of time and money getting my system sounding great I decided a couple of weeks ago that it was time to turn my back on all that hard work and change things up. My motivators were wanting to simplify my setup, make it more wife friendly and have a dabble with some new tech that might assist overcoming my less than perfect Hifi room. Oh, it would also appear I wanted to spend some more money! ??‍♂️
 

My previous setup was: ps audio p15 power - Antipodes CX/EX - ps audio DSD - ps audio bhk pre - ps audio bhk250 - Spendor d9.2’s. The setup was sweet and I really liked it - so much so that when I was dismantling it last week I was thinking WTF am I doing!?! 
 

My new chain looks like this... ps audio p15 power - Antipodes CX/EX - ps audio DSD - ps audio bhk pre - Dutch 8c’s. 
 

My plan - while probably a little silly & expensive - was to run the 8c’s for a week or two and either sell them if no good or sell the old gear to recoup funds (and stay married ;)). 
 

As I mentioned I had serious buyers remorse when I was pulling my system apart and plugging in the 8c’s. It took me about 3 hours & 6 beers to get everything done. I switched it all on and got an instant wow. An hour later I was so impressed I decided to start listing my spendors, bhk250 and some other bits and pieces for sale. Amongst a thousand low ball offers and silly tyre kicking - they all finally sold. Not for the money I wanted but enough to allow me to still sleep at night. I’m sure the new owners will be very happy with their new equipment. ?
 

I’m now a week in and am very impressed with the 8c’s. My biggest fear was the bass. This concern has flipped and I can honestly say bass is the biggest strength of the 8c’s. The bass is clear, solid & impactful. My wife thought I had my HT sub connected. Its not and I have no intentions to do it. 
 

The roon compatibility is still coming for the 8c’s. They’ve been saying ‘soon’ for a long time and I’m not holding my breath. Once the firmware arrives I’ll probably sell my BHK pre & DSD but right now they are useful as the preamp offers HT bypass which is something I need. 
 

The biggest things I’m finding with the 8c’s is clarity, a wonderful immersive sound stage and the ability to tweak easily via the onboard DSP which is easy to use and integrates seamlessly with REW. 
 

I haven’t got any negatives but here are my neutral comments.
 

1.  Roon integration. Wish they’d hurry!
 

2.  The onboard dsp / REW integration feeds a parametric eq which is not as good as convolutions via roon. I’m going to get Thierry at Home Audio fidelity to make some filters for me. I sent him measurements tonight so hopefully will have them back tomorrow. These filters which are loaded on the roon DSP were a game changer on my old system and I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do with the 8c’s. Stay tuned for an update once I get them. 


3. The control is via a browser. Works fine. Haven’t had any hick-ups or problems but an app would be nice. 
 

4. Only takes one input at a time (either AES or analog XLR). A control box like the Kii’s would be nice. 
 

5. No speakers grills  Perhaps not the best for those with little people who like touching things they shouldn’t!! ?
 

Re the Kii’s - don’t get me wrong, they are great speakers but I’ve never really fallen in love with them on the odd occasion I’ve had the chance to listen to them. My impressions so far tell me the 8c’s are warmer, bigger and punchier. The 8c’s are also heaps cheaper!!. All the things I like but acknowledge different horses for different courses. 
 

Anyway, put this post up in the spirit of the community. Will provide more updates if people are interested. Also happy to answer questions if anyone has any. 
 

Lastly - thanks to @Geoff@HeyNow Hi-Fi for another good buying experience. Highly recommend him. Great guy & great service. 
 

Thanks, John. 
 

 

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Hello everyone    After spending a lot of time and money getting my system sounding great I decided a couple of weeks ago that it was time to turn my back on all that hard work and change th

All things are fixable, whether they are active speakers or components.    The bigger question is whether someone is ready to embrace a simplified setup with all-in-one?  I have been trying

We have a pair in burnt orange incoming from Europe - will be so happy to get reacquainted with them in about 4 weeks’ time!

So... Thierry from Home Audio Fidelity has delivered again! Got my updated filters and the sound has gone from great to unreal. Was just sitting here getting absolutely lost in a wide, precise and beautifully balanced sound stage!! 

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Nice write up.

 

I heard the 8C's a few years back at Marc's audio show.   It was late on a Saturday night and Bill Mclean had had a long day and a group of encouraging patrons. ?   Pretty sure it was  Acca Dacca at 110db when I bailed out ??

 

The 8c's were pretty stunning.    In the end I got a great deal on a 2nd hand pair of the Kii3's and went that way.

 

Enjoy the D&D.

 

Once you go Active, you never go back.

 

Regards Cazzesman

 

 

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32 minutes ago, cazzesman said:

  Pretty sure it was  Acca Dacca at 110db when I bailed out ??

 

 

 


only 110db?? ?

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22 hours ago, Jhsg said:

After spending a lot of time and money getting my system sounding great I decided a couple of weeks ago that it was time to turn my back on all that hard work and change things up. My motivators were wanting to simplify my setup, make it more wife friendly and have a dabble with some new tech that might assist overcoming my less than perfect Hifi room. Oh, it would also appear I wanted to spend some more money! ??‍♂️

Excellent write up.  Good to hear someone else bailing out of the upgrade rat race and going down the simplification route. ? 

 

22 hours ago, Jhsg said:

Re the Kii’s - don’t get me wrong, they are great speakers but I’ve never really fallen in love with them on the odd occasion I’ve had the chance to listen to them. My impressions so far tell me the 8c’s are warmer, bigger and punchier. The 8c’s are also heaps cheaper!!. All the things I like but acknowledge different horses for different courses.

It is funny that I have the opposite experience, never really fallen in love with the D&D 8C when I heard them.  ?  I suspect it is matter of personal taste.  It is good that we have so many choices to meet different requirements. 

 

As @cazzesman mentioned, once you go active, you never go back.  I am on my third set!

 

Enjoy the music...

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I heard both the Dutch 8C and KII3's at the 2018 HiFi show and the Dutchies were better IMO and considerably less money.

The Dutchies have more bass capability, play louder with less distortion and the 3's are not so cardioid especially at higher frequencies.

 

From: https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/kii-three-loudspeaker-review-r735/

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Above for the 3's is still an excellent result and better than the vast majority of speakers but unless I'm mistaken the horizontal dispersion of the Dutchies is without equal, see below.

From: https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/dutch-dutch-8c-loudspeaker-review-r739/

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4 minutes ago, Satanica said:

I heard both the Dutch 8C and KII3's at the 2018 HiFi show and the Dutchies were better IMO and considerably less money.

The Dutchies have more bass capability, play louder with less distortion and the 3's are not so cardioid especially at higher frequencies.

 

From: https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/kii-three-loudspeaker-review-r735/

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Above for the 3's is still an excellent result and better than the vast majority of speakers but unless I'm mistaken the horizontal dispersion of the Dutchies is without equal, see below.

From: https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/dutch-dutch-8c-loudspeaker-review-r739/

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I have yet to hear a Kii speaker distort, even at full volume.

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23 hours ago, Jhsg said:

So... Thierry from Home Audio Fidelity has delivered again! Got my updated filters and the sound has gone from great to unreal. Was just sitting here getting absolutely lost in a wide, precise and beautifully balanced sound stage!! 

Great result John, so glad you are enjoying them so much after what must have been a very big decision to make regards the big system change.

 

To me, being able to streamline or even downscale the size of a large and complicated system and get an equal or better result (which seems to be the case) can be one of the most rewarding things in Audio.

 

enjoy !

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We have a pair in burnt orange incoming from Europe - will be so happy to get reacquainted with them in about 4 weeks’ time!

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18 hours ago, Hydrology said:

We have a pair in burnt orange incoming from Europe - will be so happy to get reacquainted with them in about 4 weeks’ time!

I would like to see those! Could you post a pic when they arrive?

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100hrs in and these 8c’s are blowing me away. Sensational speakers! Absolutely no regrets buying them!  

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9 minutes ago, Jhsg said:

100hrs in and these 8c’s are blowing me away. Sensational speakers! Absolutely no regrets buying them!  

 

Well done John!

 

I'm a big fan of the D&D 8c's. Mind you i've only experienced them once for maybe an hour/hour and a half, but they sure were fun. 

 

I've had extended experience with Kii Three's having owned them, and although limited experience with the 8c's and not a side by side comparison found they had greater weight on the bottom end (can't compete with those bigger woofers moving air) and could handle way more power than the Kii's.

 

When i heard the 8c's they were pushed to ear bleeding levels and showed no strain or compression. They can just keep going and going. Alternatively, i often would find the kii's showing the red lights clipping as low as 85db in room. To comment on the above, i didn't find the Kii's distort, IMO they start to compress earlier as they're pushed than the 8c's and the clipping signal comes in quite early. Also found rather than distorting the DSP starts backing off the bass as things get loud and heavy.

 

The biggest downfall i found with the 8c's though compared to the kii's is the lack of a 'kii control'. If D&D came out with their own hub/interface like Kii and even Buchardt have, which allows multiple digital  and analogue inputs, and streaming, it would be an absolute killer.

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1 minute ago, wikeeboy said:

The biggest downfall i found with the 8c's though compared to the kii's is the lack of a 'kii control'. If D&D came out with their own hub/interface like Kii and even Buchardt have, which allows multiple digital  and analogue inputs, and streaming, it would be an absolute killer.

Agree. There’s whispers online that this capability is coming which will be a great thing. As I mentioned above, I’m still being forced to use a preamp & external dac which isn’t ideal but it’s sounding fantastic which is all that really counts. ?

 

Re the Kii’s... I’ve never had the opportunity to play with a set but your observations align with my impressions. I did like the sound but it didn’t have much heft which I found disappointing. The price point was also a turn off. Particularly considering I wouldn’t be able to help myself and would have to buy the sub cabinets for them which would push the price to dizzy heights. I would love to have a set for a couple of weeks to get a proper feel for how they sound in my environment. 

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11 hours ago, Jhsg said:

Agree. There’s whispers online that this capability is coming which will be a great thing. As I mentioned above, I’m still being forced to use a preamp & external dac which isn’t ideal but it’s sounding fantastic which is all that really counts. ?

 

Re the Kii’s... I’ve never had the opportunity to play with a set but your observations align with my impressions. I did like the sound but it didn’t have much heft which I found disappointing. The price point was also a turn off. Particularly considering I wouldn’t be able to help myself and would have to buy the sub cabinets for them which would push the price to dizzy heights. I would love to have a set for a couple of weeks to get a proper feel for how they sound in my environment. 

 

Those whispers have been around for a while unfortunately. IMO it's taken them way too long to come up with something which no doubt has significantly impacted sales. Even as a short term solution they could look at something like Buchardt has done, an off the shelf hub with WISA compatibility. Beauty of that is Buchardt can go to market with a decent workable hub, and in the background they've ben working on their own premium proprietary hub (soon to be released).

 

I just recently bought some Genelec 8351's. I'd love to hear the Gen's along side the 8c's TBH. On first listen the Gens are closer to the 8c's than Kii. They have significantly greater power handling, with bigger impact and weightier bottom end (similar thoughts when i heard the 8c's). The GLM calibration on the Gen's (GLM 4) to correct the room also does an amazing job. In the space of a few short minutes i was able to reduce the boom/bass bump in the bottom end and smooth out the top. Made a big difference. Would be interesting to compare the D&D's cardioid effect in room compared to Gens solution which is similar to the 8c's keeping them close to rear wall (within 60cm ideally) and using room correction to reduce some of the boom for rear wall reinforcement.

 

Will continue following your journey with interest!

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13 hours ago, wikeeboy said:

The biggest downfall i found with the 8c's though compared to the kii's is the lack of a 'kii control'. If D&D came out with their own hub/interface like Kii and even Buchardt have, which allows multiple digital  and analogue inputs, and streaming, it would be an absolute killer.

 

To me it's not really an issue.

 

Just add one of these: https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd (miniDSP SHD) or something similar which includes Dirac Live Room Correction and you'd still be better off dollar wise than the Kii's.

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7 minutes ago, Satanica said:

 

To me it's not really an issue.

 

Just add one of these: https://www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd (miniDSP SHD) or something similar which includes Dirac Live Room Correction and you'd still be better off dollar wise than the Kii's.

 

Yep, don't disagree. You've got the minidsp as a good option, or even the RME ADI 2 FS BE (what a mouthful) which allows dig and analogue inputs with decene DA/AD chips and other bonus features like a headphone amp and parametric eq etc. And as you say, you still come out a mile ahead dollar wise.

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My biggest concern with these hot European imports (Dutch, Kii, Buchardt) is when something goes wrong.

All of that proprietary DSP run by computers and amplifiers inside these things are going to go bang one day and in Australia it will be harder to get things replaced or fixed.

Whenever that happens and to whoever I hope its a speedy and affordable fix.

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2 minutes ago, Satanica said:

My biggest concern with these hot European imports (Dutch, Kii, Buchardt) is when something goes wrong.

All of that proprietary DSP run by computers and amplifiers inside these things are going to go bang one day and in Australia it will be harder to get things replaced or fixed.

Whenever that happens and to whoever I hope its a speedy and affordable fix.

 

So far feedback has been Kii support is top rate, and Buchardt also really good with their customers. I guess it's not too different to all the electronics in your equipment playing up. Key is good dealer/supplier support and Sonic Purity as well as McLEans (kii/D&D) is excellent in our market.

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17 minutes ago, wikeeboy said:

 

So far feedback has been Kii support is top rate, and Buchardt also really good with their customers. I guess it's not too different to all the electronics in your equipment playing up. Key is good dealer/supplier support and Sonic Purity as well as McLEans (kii/D&D) is excellent in our market.

 

They all seem like good companies I just hope they still have parts in 10 years to what will be then be legacy products as they would have probably moved onto new ones.

With typical systems you can at least replace individual electronic components.

 

I've essentially had then same digital active system for over 13 years (Legend, DEQX, miniDSP) and in that time I've replaced two Hypex amplifier modules, plate amps and all of the eight drivers as they are non-proprietary off the shelf jobs. And my DEQX once needed repair which they did swiftly and cheaply.

 

Dutch, Kii, Buchardt are all good European speakers but I'm just a bit concerned about life after warranty, especially as they have so many parts and especially in Australia.

 

Anyway, I feel like I'm thread hijacking!

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On 03/02/2021 at 7:49 PM, Jhsg said:

My new chain looks like this... ps audio p15 power - Antipodes CX/EX - ps audio DSD - ps audio bhk pre - Dutch 8c’s.

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your new speakers. Exciting times.

 

Just trying to understand , please correct me if I am wrong.

 

1.Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D). If it's class D is it sonically better than BHK Pre+  BHK 250.

Excuse my ignorance ,if I am wrong.

 

2.Kii, Buchdart does have class D or class AB amplification?

 

Thanks,

Srini

 

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1 hour ago, Drunken Monk said:

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your new speakers. Exciting times.

 

Just trying to understand , please correct me if I am wrong.

 

1.Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D). If it's class D is it sonically better than BHK Pre+  BHK 250.

Excuse my ignorance of I am wrong.

 

2.Kii, Buchdart does have class D or class AB amplification?

 

Thanks,

Srini

 

 

Class D.

 

https://www.buchardtaudio.com/products/a500-white

https://www.heynowhifi.com.au/products/dutch-dutch-8c-studio-monitor-full-range-active-loudspeakers

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7 hours ago, Drunken Monk said:

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your new speakers. Exciting times.

 

Just trying to understand , please correct me if I am wrong.

 

1.Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D). If it's class D is it sonically better than BHK Pre+  BHK 250.

Excuse my ignorance of I am wrong.

 

2.Kii, Buchdart does have class D or class AB amplification?

 

Thanks,

Srini

 

 

Hey Srini, the thing about active speakers is that you have the one product doing at least the speaker and amplification side of things, and in the case of buchardt/kii/D&D other features such as DSP, analogue to digital conversion, digital to analogue conversion, streaming etc So you can pretty much have the one product providing all the things necessary to produce the end result/sound.

 

You can't really split out the pre or amplification section of the active speakers alone, so in that sense, you can't compare them apples for apples with what the BHK pre & amp contribute to the sound they produce.

 

The only useful comparison i guess, is what John thinks of the overall sound his previous system produced, compared to what the 8c's are now producing as a whole. 

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4 minutes ago, wikeeboy said:

The only useful comparison i guess, is what John thinks of the overall sound his previous system produced, compared to wha

Thanks for sharing your thoughts @wikeeboy

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7 hours ago, Drunken Monk said:

1.Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D). If it's class D is it sonically better than BHK Pre+  BHK 250.

Excuse my ignorance of I am wrong.

 

2.Kii, Buchdart does have class D or class AB amplification?

What type of amps, Class D or even Class A/B amps (for SGR actives) is not relevant.  What is relevant is how they sound?  Please have a read of the differences between active and passive speakers, likely written by someone who does not own active speakers.

https://www.whathifi.com/au/advice/active-vs-passive-speakers-whats-the-difference-which-is-better

 

What is clear for many active owner speakers is that, we seldom move back to passive speakers. I am on my third set.,,

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9 hours ago, Drunken Monk said:

 

Just trying to understand , please correct me if I am wrong.

 

1.Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D). If it's class D, is it sonically better than BHK Pre+  BHK 250.

 

 

2 hours ago, wikeeboy said:

 

Hey Srini, the thing about active speakers is that you have the one product doing at least the speaker and amplification side of things, and in the case of buchardt/kii/D&D other features such as DSP, analogue to digital conversion, digital to analogue conversion, streaming etc So you can pretty much have the one product providing all the things necessary to produce the end result/sound.

 

You can't really split out the pre or amplification section of the active speakers alone, so in that sense, you can't compare them apples for apples with what the BHK pre & amp contribute to the sound they produce.

 

 

The above is true for commercially bought 'active spkrs'.  And there seems to be a couple of classes of so-called 'active spkrs':

  1. a spkr which has its own amplifier - so that it is fed by a preamp or a source - yet has an internal passive XO between this amp and the drivers.
  2. and a spkr which is fed by a preamp or a source - yet has an active XO and an amplifier for each driver.

 

And then there are spkrs like my 3-way Maggies - which have had their internal passive XO replaced by an active XO (analogue or digital) and have one amplifier channel per driver.  In my case these are currently Class AB amps.

 

Andy

 

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How fixable are active speakers? If the dac breaks down, is it serviceable?

 

It's my only real worry about all in one systems, that when it breaks - effectively it's all broken.

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On 12/02/2021 at 1:43 PM, Drunken Monk said:

Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D). If it's class D is it sonically better than BHK Pre+  BHK 250.


Yes, the d&d has onboard class d amps. 
 

I’ve never been one for trusting anything other than my ears. I certainly haven’t lost anything with the d&d’s compared to my old BHK / spendor combo. Initially i thought the spendors might have put out a slightly bigger sound but as the d&d’s have run in & my ears have adjusted I don’t think it’s the case anymore. The d&d’s definitely put out more bass than my spendor’s and I no longer need a sub to fill in the bottom end. 
 

The bottom line is I feel I’ve moved sideways in some ways & forward in others. It’s been a good move. 

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22 hours ago, warweary said:

How fixable are active speakers? If the dac breaks down, is it serviceable?

 

It's my only real worry about all in one systems, that when it breaks - effectively it's all broken.


Good question but something that’s not isolated to d&d or Kii. I had some issues with my BHK pre when I first bought it and it took a LONG time for PS Audio and the Australian importer to resolve the issue. So long that I ended up buying another preamp to fill the gap while I waited. :( 

 

What I will say is d&d customer service has been great so far. I’ve connected with the CEO and spoke with him a number of times over Facebook. He’s been helpful & responsive. I haven’t dealt directly with the d&d Australian importer yet (don’t even know who it is?) but I have faith in the retailer I used @Geoff@HeyNow Hi-Fi to help me resolve issues. 
 

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2 minutes ago, wikeeboy said:

D&D importer is Bill McLean (McLeans Hifi QLD). Really nice bloke.

I heard Bill isn’t doing it anymore & they are using someone in Melbourne now? The speakers were dropped shipped to me from a melb address. 

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32 minutes ago, Jhsg said:

I heard Bill isn’t doing it anymore & they are using someone in Melbourne now? The speakers were dropped shipped to me from a melb address. 

 

Oh really? Hadn't heard that. 

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On 13/02/2021 at 11:57 AM, warweary said:

How fixable are active speakers? If the dac breaks down, is it serviceable?

 

It's my only real worry about all in one systems, that when it breaks - effectively it's all broken.

All things are fixable, whether they are active speakers or components. 

 

The bigger question is whether someone is ready to embrace a simplified setup with all-in-one?  I have been trying to encourage people to go for simplified setups with limited success.  Some enjoy the thrill of getting the next upgrade, thus will never adopt simplicity. Others are "trapped" in their setups, having spent years, lots of effort and $$$$$ and are thus reluctant to let go for a simpler, maybe cheaper setup which can sound just as good.  I was in this group.   Yet others are too new in their music journey to understand and appreciate what simplicity can deliver in SQ.

 

Until you are ready, it is difficult to make a jump to a setup with the D&D 8C (or others)...

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23 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

All things are fixable, whether they are active speakers or components.

 

Well, maybe. If a main board goes on one of these things in 10 years time I doubt it is fixable but rather would needs replacing and will it be available in 10 years time?

 

23 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

Some enjoy the thrill of getting the next upgrade, thus will never adopt simplicity.

 

Some can get stuck on the upgrade merry-go-round with active speakers too. ?

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Hey John,

does the BHK pre make any improvement or

soundstage benefit in your setup? As there is DSP in place at the speakers, how important on front end to feed them?

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On 05/02/2021 at 6:34 PM, Satanica said:

is without equal, see below.

Scales on those chart make them quite difficult to compare ;) 

On 12/02/2021 at 10:52 AM, wikeeboy said:

 

Those whispers have been around for a while unfortunately. IMO it's taken them way too long to come up with something which no doubt has significantly impacted sales. Even as a short term solution they could look at something like Buchardt has done, an off the shelf hub with WISA compatibility. Beauty of that is Buchardt can go to market with a decent workable hub, and in the background they've ben working on their own premium proprietary hub (soon to be released).

 

These things are harder to develop to 'prime time' than it might seem for a small company (like D/D)...

 

Ask me how I know.....   ;) 

 

(I'm not the sort of person who likes to "go with something very basic" ..... but it looking more and more like that will b the only workable way).

 

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On 12/02/2021 at 9:21 PM, Snoopy8 said:

What is clear for many active owner speakers is that, we seldom move back to passive speakers. I am on my third set.,,

 

Audiophiles wax lyrical about their multi thousand dollar amplifies and xpnsiv drivers..... and the thy move to amplifies that are $50 per channel and $20 drivers and say it's better.   Says a lot.   :) 

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On 12/02/2021 at 1:43 PM, Drunken Monk said:

1.Most active speakers use Class D amplification? (How about your D&D).

 

Yes.... by Pascal.

 

The DSP, etc is implemented on a computer, looks like a Beagle (similar to a raspberry pi)

 

On 12/02/2021 at 1:43 PM, Drunken Monk said:

2.Kii, Buchdart does have class D or class AB amplification?


D
Both Hypex (yes, for Kii, and "I think" for Buchardt)

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1 hour ago, davewantsmoore said:

Says a lot.   :) 

 

I should clarify that I mean it says a lot about what is required for high performance sound...... not "a lot" about the person, or their ears, or anything.

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    • By waxon-waxoff
      Item Condition: Mint Shipping Options: Pickup available but audition is not available.,Shipping is available at agreed cost. Suburb or Town: PERTH State: WA Payment Method: Paypal, cash, EFT Reason for selling: selling all excess gear. Borrowed text and image from Max headroom and others as i really know nothing about its capabilities. last picture mine.
       
      Did not plug in but I bought this a few months ago just cannot remember which SNA member, unused since arrival as was waiting to use in new music room, which never eventuated.
       
      Further information: DSPeaker Anti-Mode room correction for your speakers and sub. Excellent way of integrating your sub with your speakers. 
       
      Comes with the unit, calibration mic, USB cable, manual, remote and power cable.no original box but will be packed very well.
       
      Lots of glowing reviews. Link below to a few of these:
      https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/dspeaker-anti-mode-20-dualcore-digital-signal-processor/
      https://www.avforums.com/reviews/dspeaker-anti-mode-2-0-dual-core-review.355
      https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139820.0
       
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      This is a stunningly powerful device that has so many uses and capabilities that its doubtful you will even scratch the surface of what the Antimode can do...
       
      Its a pre
      Its a DAC
      Does room correction for speakers and subs
      Parametric EQ
       
      Infact this unit is so capable, the Absolute Sound review is 5 pages long, which is rather uncommon for their reviews - this gives you an idea of how capable and flexible this unit is.
       
      If you are looking to tweak the sound of your system, adjust for room modes or integrate a sub, you cant go past this unit.
       
      "In the end you can get truly remarkable sound out of a system corrected and adjusted with a DualCore. One thinks of the introduction to The Three-Penny Opera: “Conceived with a splendor that only a beggar could imagine and ….so cheap that even a beggar could afford it.” Well, not quite that cheap. But still a wild bargain, and a sonic wonder."
       
      Manufacturers website:
      http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/20-dual-core.shtml
       
      Reviews:
      https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/dspeaker-anti-mode-20-dualcore-digital-signal-processor/
      https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=139820.0
      https://www.avforums.com/reviews/dspeaker-anti-mode-2-0-dual-core-review.355
       
      Comes with remote, power supply, microphone.
       
      Can post at buyers expense.
       
      A donation to StereoNET will be made on sale of this item.
       
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    • By Dave05
      Item Condition: Near New / Demo Shipping Options: Pickup available but audition is not available.,Pickup available and you can audition.,Shipping is available at agreed cost. Suburb or Town: Heathridge State: WA Payment Method: PayPal, Cash, PayID Reason for selling: Not installing system Further information:
       Near New - installed to load firmware and DSP config but never used.
       
      HEC HD USB audio card installed (RRP $299). Enables bit-perfect audio from eg Android phone, with an OTG adapter and the supplied mini-USB cable.  Sampling rate up to 32/192.
       
      6ch Analog (high and low level) and digital inputs.  Sensitivity can be changed to accommodate mV headphone output from a phone.
       
      Currently retailing for $2299 without the USB card, which is another $250.
       
      There are a few superficial scratches around the cable entries but otherwise perfect condition. Priced to sell.

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    • By Snoopy8
      Many of us have our stereo setups in shared rooms, making it difficult to put in room treatment and place in the middle of the room with the listening position in an equilateral triangle. To compensate , some people use room correction software like Dirac Live or Anthem Room Correction. However, there is growing interest (e.g.  thread) in using DSP enabled active speakers in shared rooms. Why?

      Simply, you can get good performance out of the box!

      My Kii Threes are in a large open plan family room, with limited room treatment (see photo ). The above measurements are using the default setting out of the box. An untreated room often has problems in the bass region, but this was not bad. Undoubtedly, the Active Wave Focusing technology of the Kii Three helped, but simple things like placing the speakers along the length of the room and adding soft furnishing, curtains and bookshelves can also assist.

      Ideally, speakers should be placed away from the corners and walls, but if that is unavoidable, you can adjust for it.

      The Kii Threes compensate for walls with a boundary setting. “0” (default) for a placement away from walls, “-12” for corners. Walls reinforce bass. You can see the impact of the walls in the above measurements for the “0” setting; the bass is increasing as frequency drops. My setup is close to the rear wall and a metre from the side walls. “-6” became my preferred setting.

      Further tweaking can improve the bass response.

      Using REW’s EQ tool to calculate the equalisation parameters (PEQs) and entering them into the Kii Three, some of the bass peaks were removed.

      While I have focused on the Kii Three, the same principles and tools can be applied to the Dutch & Dutch 8C and the Buchardt A500, to name 2 others.

      So, in shared rooms, why choose DSP enabled active speakers? Answer: you can easily achieve excellent sound quality.
    • By Thebs
      Item Condition: Used - Excellent condition Shipping Options: Pickup available but audition is not available.,Shipping is available at agreed cost. Suburb or Town: ADELAIDE State: SA Payment Method: Paypal as friends, EFT, Cash on Pickup etc Reason for selling: Upgraded Further information:
      Purchased from Deniswhite during last Xmas in Dec. 2019. Used for one year, in perfect condition, no scratch or dent. Price was $600 (YU4) + $130 (stands), now the speakers itself grows up to $700! YU4 Deniswhite homecinema SP9 Desktop Stands
       
      The colour is bamboo which is the best among other colours IMO. Regretful to selling them as upgraded to larger size speakers recently. Prefer local pick-up. Comes with original package and all accessories including the stock remote.
       
      Specs
      1″ Silk Dome Tweeters 4″ Kevlar® Drivers Class D Amplifier 140W Peak Power (70 Watts Total RMS) Frequency Response: 60 Hz – 20 kHz Dimensions
      5.5″ W x 7.5″ D x 8.7″ H (14 x 19 x 22 cm) Net Weight (active/left): 6.9 lb (3.2 kg) Net Weight (passive/right): 5.5 lb (2.5 kg) Inputs
      3.5mm mini-jack AUX RCA with Phono or Line Switch 2 x Optical (TOSLINK) Bluetooth™ 4.0 with Qualcomm® aptX™ Outputs
      Subwoofer USB Charge 5V 1A What's in the box
      Remote with Batteries Power Cord Speaker Wire (16′) 3.5mm Auxiliary Cable (6.5′) 8 x Rubber Feet Size of stands
      Total height of speaker and stand is around 42~43 cm.

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    • By law18
      Item Condition: Excellent condition Shipping Options: Pickup available but audition is not available. Suburb or Town: South Brisbane 4101 State: QLD Payment Method: EFT, Cash on pickup Reason for selling: No longer used often enough. Further information:
       
      Speakers are in excellent condition and will come with their original box and receipt for warranty, of which I believe there is 2 years remaining. These are active speakers with 2x50W amplifiers per speaker. I previously owned passive X12's which were used in conjunction with a high quality amp and these are certainly comparable.
       
      Any questions send me a message, including if you would like a quote to send them.
       
      Thanks.
       
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