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Has anyone had experience with this little gadget that is placed between the tone arm and the cartridge? Supposed to reduce noise floor, at $550.00 it ain’t cheap for what it appears to be.

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I just put one on my deck  after a 30 second audition - amazing improvements. Far cheaper than a ridiculously priced tonearm with superb gains in everything - imaging, instrument spacing, air etc. So good in fact that this gave me probably better gains in my system than a new amp, speakers and server did!

 

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19 minutes ago, Hydrology said:

I just put one on my deck  after a 30 second audition - amazing improvements. Far cheaper than a ridiculously priced tonearm with superb gains in everything - imaging, instrument spacing, air etc. So good in fact that this gave me probably better gains in my system than a new amp, speakers and server did!

 

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I run a Clearaudio Innovation TT with 9” Clearaudio universal arm and a Kiseki Purple Heart Cartridge, just wondering if it is still worthwhile?

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3 minutes ago, Guzzista said:

I run a Clearaudio Innovation TT with 9” Clearaudio universal arm and a Kiseki Purple Heart Cartridge, just wondering if it is still worthwhile?

 

In my opinion yes.

 

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8 minutes ago, Guzzista said:

I run a Clearaudio Innovation TT with 9” Clearaudio universal arm and a Kiseki Purple Heart Cartridge, just wondering if it is still worthwhile?

I run a VPI-HRX rim drive with 12” 3D arm and Clearaudio Titanium v2 cart and I’ll certainly be adding one to the equation when I get home.

Was advised about there remarkable tweaks a little while ago. Absolute night and day difference I was told from a very good audiophile friend of mine.

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2 minutes ago, Yamaha_man said:

I run a VPI-HRX rim drive with 12” 3D arm and Clearaudio Titanium v2 cart and I’ll certainly be adding one to the equation when I get home.

Was advised about there remarkable tweaks a little while ago. Absolute night and day difference I was told from a very good audiophile friend of mine.

Thanks Yammy man!

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I was loaned one but I’m afraid I don’t recognise the eulogistic comments that others have expressed. 

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6 minutes ago, YNWaN said:

I was loaned one but I’m afraid I don’t recognise the eulogistic comments that others have expressed. 

Out of interest, what TT/arm/cartridge did you audition it with?

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The interesting thing about loaning one is that the delrin screws that come with it need to be cut to exact length (using the supplied jig as reference). Im not sure if people who have tried one are just using standard metal screws. If so, I would expect no improvement at all.

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I used my secondary turntable which is an original Pink Triangle (DC motor, Aerolam chassis, suspended design) and an Alphason HR100 arm. I couldn’t use my day to day deck as the extra width of the Houdini meant it would not fit to the headshell. 
 

I took extreme care to set up the deck exactly the same as before the Houdini was fitted, but taking account of the extra weight and thickness of the Houdini. 
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The screws are nylon, not Delrin - certainly the ones supplied with mine.

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11 hours ago, YNWaN said:

I used my secondary turntable which is an original Pink Triangle (DC motor, Aerolam chassis, suspended design) and an Alphason HR100 arm. I couldn’t use my day to day deck as the extra width of the Houdini meant it would not fit to the headshell. 
 

I took extreme care to set up the deck exactly the same as before the Houdini was fitted, but taking account of the extra weight and thickness of the Houdini. 
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The screws are nylon, not Delrin - certainly the ones supplied with mine.

Strange it didn't work with a Pink Triangle given it was uncle Arthur's original turntable to meet his latest creation the houdini. 

 

I've no experience with the Alphason arm though. 

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11 hours ago, YNWaN said:

 

The screws are nylon, not Delrin - certainly the ones supplied with mine.

 

I dont have the equipment to confirm whether the screws actually are Delrin or Nylon, but most of the conversation Ive read seems to say these are Delrin screws.

 

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Do I care? Not really, the performance improvements for me are so noticeable they could be made from snot for all I care.

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Yeah, I’ve seen Alan Sircom’s review, it’s very entertaining and a great advertisement. 

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17 hours ago, Hydrology said:

 

 

Do I care? Not really, the performance improvements for me are so noticeable they could be made from snot for all I care.

 

Errrr.....I would!!  COVID and all.....errrooooo!!

 

Tase

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On 21/01/2021 at 12:37 PM, Hydrology said:

I just put one on my deck  after a 30 second audition - amazing improvements. Far cheaper than a ridiculously priced tonearm with superb gains in everything - imaging, instrument spacing, air etc. So good in fact that this gave me probably better gains in my system than a new amp, speakers and server did!

 

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Did you get a 30 day trial period? There was a write up on SNA which mentioned the 30 day period. 

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On 21/01/2021 at 1:37 PM, YNWaN said:

I was loaned one but I’m afraid I don’t recognise the eulogistic comments that others have expressed. 

 

Welcome to SNA, Mark!  :thumb:

 

BTW, if you come across a dealer over there who is quite happy to sell a Karousel on its own ... please let me know.  :)

 

Andy

 

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2 hours ago, PKay said:

Did you get a 30 day trial period? There was a write up on SNA which mentioned the 30 day period. 

Nah, 30 seconds was enough to decide!

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I’ve heard from other sources that it dramatically boosts the clarity of the mids (forming the impression that there is a massive improvement) at the sacrifice of everything else. 

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On 21/01/2021 at 12:37 PM, Hydrology said:

I just put one on my deck  after a 30 second audition - amazing improvements. Far cheaper than a ridiculously priced tonearm with superb gains in everything - imaging, instrument spacing, air etc. So good in fact that this gave me probably better gains in my system than a new amp, speakers and server did!

 

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How do you find their mat?

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What exactly is it?  Is it like a carbon-fibre spacer (that I have read can improve the sound)? 

I would think that the benefits would depend on the cart/headshell/arm combination.

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17 hours ago, andyr said:

 

Welcome to SNA, Mark!  :thumb:

 

BTW, if you come across a dealer over there who is quite happy to sell a Karousel on its own ... please let me know.  :)

 

Andy

 

Hi Andy,

 

I don’t know of any dealers in the U.K. selling the Karousel on its own, but I do know of two (could be three) members of the AudioFlat forum who have bought them directly. In fact I’ve got a Karousel here now which has been loaned to me by one of said members. I’m in the process of creating an accurate CAD model and designing an alternative top nut that will allow the Tranquility to be used with it. 

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The Houdini is rather nicely made in its way. It’s basically two 3D printed parts which are held apart be a compliant (rubbery) element. I suspect this consists of three silicone O-rings but I don’t know as it seems to be glued together and I wasn’t prepared to damage the one I had (since returned to the Funk Firm). The cartridge screws to the lower half and the upper half has embedded nuts and is screwed to the headshell. The small screw you can see on the top is just a kind of safety tether that would  stop the cartridge falling off if the two halves should separate for any reason. 

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30 minutes ago, YNWaN said:

 (since returned to the Funk Firm)

Was that because there was no difference? Or was the difference unappealing?

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Well there were 3 reasons;  1/ it was loaned to me by the Funk Firm so I never owned it and it belonged to them (I didn’t buy it and then request a refund), 2/ after I had tried it Arthur wanted to make sure it had been constructed properly (and it turned out it was), and 3/ I could hear the effect it had on the sound but it wasn’t for me. I certainly wouldn’t describe it as a ‘night and day’ difference though. 
 

In case there is any doubt, the supplied nylon screws were carefully cut to the correct length and a video was even made for the FF showing the movement and hence the correct fitting - they confirmed I had fitted it correctly*. The Houdini’s suspension is surprisingly soft (well, it surprised me) - side to side anyway.


* I’m hardly new to this turntable malarkey though :) .

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1 hour ago, YNWaN said:

Hi Andy,

 

I don’t know of any dealers in the U.K. selling the Karousel on its own, but I do know of two (could be three) members of the AudioFlat forum who have bought them directly.

 

You mean directly from Linn, Mark?

 

1 hour ago, YNWaN said:

 

 I’m in the process of creating an accurate CAD model and designing an alternative top nut that will allow the Tranquility to be used with it. 

 

 

Excellent!  I would certainly prefer to be able to use my Tranqu!

 

Andy

 

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No, sorry, I didn’t phrase my reply very well. I mean they got them from a dealer (perhaps more than one), but not from the U.K. (as far as I know)

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15 hours ago, audiofeline said:

What exactly is it?  Is it like a carbon-fibre spacer (that I have read can improve the sound)? 

I would think that the benefits would depend on the cart/headshell/arm combination.

From what I understand it is a quite smart isolator. the tonearm are screwed to it and the cartridge is screwed it to it using separate screw. the first time I've seen this type of isolator. Other isolator the cartridge and tonearm is always still linked with a screw. In theory it makes sense

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6 hours ago, mloutfie said:

 In theory it makes sense

 

You would think having less screws and interfaces would make just as much sense....

 

Tase

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22 hours ago, PKay said:

How do you find their mat?

Ive got the 5mm one on a rega rp3, did non-blind tests between it and acrylic mats, plus the stock with the vta changed back to normal.

I love the funk mat, i also tried two funk achroplats but couldn't get them  to be dead flat. Ive now stuck my funk mat to the glass platter and have given up on mat improvements.

To me its an excellent product.

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The Houdini is rather nicely made in its way. It’s basically two 3D printed parts which are held apart be a compliant (rubbery) element.

Not my idea of getting the most out of the record - esssentially you are mounting the cartridge on a marshmallow - this is not a stable base to accurately measure the groove. However if your arm/cartridge has issues, it is one way of hiding them.

 

As a simple experiment if you have a component with rubber feet, bypass them with anything - bronze, brass knobs - you'll hear the "rubbery sound" straight away if you go back and forth.

 

Soft materials tend to store energy and then slow release it, usually in an unpredictable time domain, and typically will muddy the sound. Furthermore when you have a boundary of materials with large differences in energy transfer speed, eg metal/rubber, you tend to get more reflected energy backward to the cartridge at each junction. If you have two materials that are similar in energy transfer speeds, there is less backward reflected energy.

 

In other words, if you have a decent tonearm, keep spongy puds and other like materials away if you want to get the most out of it. 

 

 

 

 

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on the face, it seems the only thing extraordinary and new is the price  :)

 

or try the original for less than 1/3rd the price.   exact same concept, except no scissors required 9_9

 

Have any Houdini adopters tried the THE CARTRIDGE MAN's Isolator?

 

https://www.decibelhifi.com.au/the-cartridge-mans-isolator/

 

I have one or two from a few years back in my draw that Len Gregory gave me to try his mk2 version.     

 

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2 minutes ago, metal beat said:

on the face, it seems the only thing extraordinary and new is the price  :)

 

or try the original for less than 1/3rd the price. 

Have any Houdini adopters tried the THE CARTRIDGE MAN's Isolator?

 

https://www.decibelhifi.com.au/the-cartridge-mans-isolator/

 

I have one or two from a few years back in my draw.     

 

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Why are they in a drawer? 

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8 minutes ago, Guzzista said:

Why are they in a drawer? 

 

because after I removed V1 Isolator and put the cartridge back onto the tonearm, I preferred the sound " nude".   I feel if your tonearm is designed correctly there is no need for these " add on's.

 

  Never got around trying the V2's.  Maybe my sceptical self will be motivated if someone wants to send me a Houndini and I will test on my Lyra Etna or Dyna XV-1s vs the Isolator, as I have an open mind.

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Understood, also a nice segway to remember "Nude" may he rest in peace. 

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2 hours ago, Tasebass said:

 

You would think having less screws and interfaces would make just as much sense....

 

Tase

Always that argument with any sort of damping in tonearm. I kinda include this mod as damping tweak. Some tonearm and cartridge combo just sound great without damping some need a bit of damping to sound better. I also prefer no damping but sometimes the combo just forces you to use some damping. And damping a tonearm definitely changes sound.

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I borrowed a Houdini from the local dealer on a 'sale or return' basis.

I fitted it to a Yamamoto ebony headshell and re-fitted my Denon DL103 which I love and use

for mono records and trying out finds from charity shops.

  I was Intrigued and ended up fitting the Houdini  to my Ikeda 'Kai' mc mounted on an Ikeda CR 407 12"

tonearm on a Merrill-Williams 101.2 turntable.

   The tonearm wires on the Ikeda headshell are quite stiff which seemed to be affecting the level

of the Houdini.  Being a bit 'DIY' I replaced the (also stiff) headshell wires on the Yamamoto headshell with some very fine Kondo tonearm wire. The 'Kai' now 'wobbles' when touched and the wires no longer restrict the cartridge movement. The difference Isn't night and day but there are definate improvements.

A bit more 'recorded ambience,' vocals are a bit more easy to follow, bass is a bit tighter and treble

is less splashy on some of my more 'didgital' records. No down-sides that i can hear.

I bought the loaned Houdini and an Achromat to go with It.

  Anything that can bring even the slightest improvements to an already pretty good TT, arm and cartridge for $500 is a bargain in my book.

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Ok, so I bought the Funk Houdini and this afternoon fitted the gadget, it only took around ten minutes to fit. Immediately noticeable was the drop on the noise floor, (thought I have tweaked my system enough to get rid if it but the Houdini uncovered there was more to lose).

Any sort of "rumble" and "clicks" during lead in tracks are now gone, resulting in better clarity and listening pleasure.

One concern I have is the azimuth, my Clearaudio tonearm is pre set at the factory guaranteed to be horizontal wth the TT  but, the Houdini created doubts as this can be affected by the tension of the screws (which are nylon BTW).

I will address this issue in the coming days but for now from me a thumbs up!

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