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Very happy with my Linn Daz, they were ahead of the game and even the old units are regularly updated to include just about every feature found on any dac/streamer

 

One of the best dacs available

 

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What is the difference between a DAC with an Ethernet port and streaming DACS like a Lumin X1, Auralic Vega G2, Innuos Statement etc?   The Nadac uses the Ravenna protocol and you will need a sources which uses the same protocol.

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22 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

What is the difference between a DAC with an Ethernet port and streaming DACS like a Lumin X1, Auralic Vega G2, Innuos Statement etc?   The Nadac uses the Ravenna protocol and you will need a sources which uses the same protocol.

Nothing by the look of it.

 

Except the Wi Fi versions...wouldn't work for me.

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1 hour ago, Darren69 said:

Nothing by the look of it.

Difference is in the protocol Ravenna is AES67 based which biggest difference over other from what I read is clock data is transferred over the wire from the source. Other protocol transfer the data across and clock data is generated inside the streamer. I kind of think AES67 is like using a long USB cable which I don't think is such a good idea unless I misunderstood the concept. The only reason I think to use AES67 if Realtime sync is really important maybe in a studio environment but for playback not so sure.

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I’ve been using a Meridian MS600 for many years via Ethernet.  It effectively a Roon endpoint/dac.  Works just like any other.

 

The merging is very costly.  Unfortunately I have not heard it.  But at a similar level I have heard the Weiss (502/Medus) and DCS (Bartok Rossini) offerings and both are very impressive - as they should be for the $.

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On 20/01/2021 at 5:46 AM, Darren69 said:

Hullo, hope all are well.

 

Anyone had any experiences with such a beast? Heres one I found- https://nadac.merging.com/nadac 

 

So RJ45 ethernet goes straight to your dac. Your dac then sits on the LAN.


so basically streamer or end point with built in DAC, whats the budget? Plenty of them on the market in every price category from  couple of hundreds to tens of thousands

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3 hours ago, kukynas said:


so basically streamer or end point with built in DAC, whats the budget? Plenty of them on the market in every price category from  couple of hundreds to tens of thousands

No budget at the moment, just after experiences of people who have removed USB connection et-al out of the equation. Currently my Nucleus goes to an Off Ramp 4 and then onto the Ayon Stratos via I2s. It's very nice but wondering if i simply attached the dac to the LAN, would that simplify or improve. Dunno yet, the Stratos is awesome but not a streamer. Hope you are well mate!

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23 hours ago, Darren69 said:

No budget at the moment, just after experiences of people who have removed USB connection et-al out of the equation. Currently my Nucleus goes to an Off Ramp 4 and then onto the Ayon Stratos via I2s. It's very nice but wondering if i simply attached the dac to the LAN, would that simplify or improve. Dunno yet, the Stratos is awesome but not a streamer. Hope you are well mate!

So the real question is which is the better feed to your DAC:  USB or Ethernet?  There must be a thread in here somewhere.  

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On 20/01/2021 at 12:46 PM, Darren69 said:

Anyone had any experiences with such a beast? Heres one I found- https://nadac.merging.com/nadac 

 

So RJ45 ethernet goes straight to your dac. Your dac then sits on the LAN.

 

For Merging stuff, this is much cheaper and smaller and has a much better headphone output:

 

https://online.tm-systems.com.au/products/anubis-pro-network-converter-up-to-192khz

 

'Limited' to 6-channels out, depending what you need.

 

But you need Windows/macOS (not iOS)/Linux machine to use Ravenna. It's not the easiest to setup.

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21 hours ago, Darren69 said:

No budget at the moment, just after experiences of people who have removed USB connection et-al out of the equation. Currently my Nucleus goes to an Off Ramp 4 and then onto the Ayon Stratos via I2s. It's very nice but wondering if i simply attached the dac to the LAN, would that simplify or improve. Dunno yet, the Stratos is awesome but not a streamer. Hope you are well mate!

I have some experience with Mola Mola Makua DAC, originally using USB, then upgraded to a streaming (ie Ethernet) input.  In my case, the Ethernet input is better sounding, more convenient and more “immune” to upstream variations affecting SQ.  However, I do not believe this can be extrapolated across different brands and their different implementations.

 

USB inputs on DACs can sound anywhere from amazing to weak and blurred.  Most, but not all, seem to be susceptible to upstream reclocking and DC power, not to mention cables!  A streaming input in the DAC can potentially add noise (it’s a small computer after all) close to where you don’t want noise.  But if well implemented I think it can better USB.  Ultimately there is no substitute for listening for yourself wherever possible, as there are a lot of variables in the question you pose.

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12 hours ago, Darren69 said:

No budget at the moment, just after experiences of people who have removed USB connection et-al out of the equation. Currently my Nucleus goes to an Off Ramp 4 and then onto the Ayon Stratos via I2s. It's very nice but wondering if i simply attached the dac to the LAN, would that simplify or improve. Dunno yet, the Stratos is awesome but not a streamer. Hope you are well mate!

 

sure, you can simplify it by removing all boxes and cables, concentrate all into 1 box and remote control it with your phone or tablet, most of the streamers on the market do it this way, main difference of course is in build and sound quality but also how good the remote application is, we all have different requirements when it comes to streaming music, some might prefer sonic quality and don't mind about software part of it and some like myself require as good sw capability as sonic quality so important is not only sound quality but also easy of use and user friendly operation, all this might not be relevant if you planning to use sw like Roon which basically replace your built in streamer app but only in case it's supported by the manufacturer of the streamer which traditional brands these days fully support.

Everyone would most probably give you different POV and their experience with streamers so obtain as much info as you can  

As said earlier, plenty of them in every price category, but hard to point out some without knowing your budget as there are 100s of them...one extreme would be something like Aurender A30 and on the other side of the spectrum rpi4 with analog hat in one box sold with preinstalled volumio

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