Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Hello Friends, Good day, Currently my stereo set-up is as below and looking some advice please Auralic Aries Femto streamer Curious USB Cable Gieseler Klein ll DAC Aurealis Dragon R1 Ag/Cu Litz IC's Marantz PM 8005 Int AMP Aurealis Litz Ag/Cu Speaker Cable SVS PB 2000 Subwoofer Monitor audio silver 8 speakers Mostly used to listen Tidal. I like the way how my speakers sound, sometimes ,I listen as loud as 70% volume. If , I want to improve the soundstage further is it best to upgrade the DAC or Integrated Amplifier. As , I am thinking these two are weakest link in my set-up now. As I want take one upgrade at a time. Thanks. Edited January 14 by Drunken Monk Link to post Share on other sites
cafe67 4,012 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Amp perhaps, budget ? Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 18 minutes ago, cafe67 said: Amp perhaps, budget ? Around 5k Link to post Share on other sites
awayward 2,536 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 13/01/2021 at 4:03 PM, Drunken Monk said: 75% volume (3'o clock position). Seems very high for normal listening, do you know what DB that is in your room? Probably need an amp with more grunt and headroom. Link to post Share on other sites
John0001 95 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I'd suggest the amp is the weak link. Plenty of great options at under 5K... Link to post Share on other sites
Steam 1,022 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 3 o’clock does seem odd. are there any gain or output voltage settings on your DAC? This could be a simple change that may also affect your soundstage because you don’t have to push your amp so hard. If you like it LOUD then yes more amp but maybe also Speakers that go louder to begin with. Only problem being speakers that go very loud & have good soundstage are often big $. Link to post Share on other sites
Mat-with-one-t 1,304 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Yeah. As above. Very nice digital chain. Suspect: 1. Amp 2. speakers Problem with one-at-a-time (good approach), is that usually you're best to choose speakers, then an amp to match them. Link to post Share on other sites
sir sanders zingmore 12,185 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 13/01/2021 at 4:03 PM, Drunken Monk said: If , I want to improve the soundstage further is it best to upgrade the DAC or Integrated Amplifier. As , I am thinking these two are weakest link in my set-up now. As I want take one upgrade at a time. I would recommend playing around with speaker positioning first if you want the largest impact on soundstage. You might get what you are after without spending anything 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 (edited) @sir sanders zingmore @Mat-with-one-t @Steam @John0001 @awayward @cafe67 Thanks everyone. Initially when I started my Journey ,I used chrome cast audio with basic Canare cables and IC's from Bill. Slowely, I upgraded the setup the volume become very refined as I increase the volume it was musical and refined rather than noisy...initially I can not go beyond 12'o clock position of volume in amp..now same setup it sound very musical and refined even I can listen about 70% occasionally. Also Tidal some soundtrack volume is low the volume is not normalised, I think across all the track Thinking of M6si MF amp. When upgrading or is there any other best for same money Edited January 14 by Drunken Monk Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, awayward said: On 13/01/2021 at 1:03 PM, Drunken Monk said: 75% volume (3'o clock position). Seems very high for normal listening For normal listening I use 50% volume , but I love crank up to 75% sometimes Link to post Share on other sites
MattyW 2,239 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 (edited) I run at 25% volume most of the time. When my wife has gone to bed I increase it to 32%. The system sounds fantastic at any volume but imaging really kicks in at that point. It sounds fantastic louder too but I prefer this lower volume for extended listening. Once the Aleph-M replaces the Amp Camp Amp I'll have doubled the wattage of my amplification so it will be somewhat lower at that time. Edited January 30 by MattyW 1 Link to post Share on other sites
xlr8or 814 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 4 minutes ago, MattyW said: I run at 25% volume most of the time. When my wife has gone to bed I increase it to 32%. I do this as well after the misses has turned in for the night but vary it beyond the 32% depending on how my day has gone with her. 🤣 Link to post Share on other sites
MattyW 2,239 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 7 hours ago, xlr8or said: I do this as well after the misses has turned in for the night but vary it beyond the 32% depending on how my day has gone with her. 🤣 She can't hear it or anything. Open baffles give incredible clarity but the sound doesn't seem to travel as far as traditional speakers. Means if she were in the Roon with me I'd get in trouble for it being too loud. From the bedroom though it's inaudible. Link to post Share on other sites
Martykt 2,715 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 41 minutes ago, MattyW said: Means if she were in the Roon with me I'd get in trouble for it being too loud. From the bedroom though it's inaudible. Was that a freudian slip there @MattyW... ?? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Steam 1,022 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 On 14/01/2021 at 11:57 PM, Drunken Monk said: For normal listening I use 50% volume , but I love crank up to 75% sometimes Still think you maybe need more efficient speakers that can go louder but..... the recommended amp power is 80 to 200W. So the marantz is on the low side of that at 80W into 8ohms and only 100 into 4. So yeah maybe worth trying an amp with more grunt. Before spending cash I would go back to a monitor audio dealer and try different amps there. Or even drag your marantz there to compare. Or borrow an amp from them or another stereonet user. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
rantan 10,085 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) @Drunken Monk. Hi SB, hope you are well mate. Amplifier, definitely. The Marantz is really not ideally suited to the MA speakers. You are on the right track considering the MF. Anything including and above the M5si would work wonders. Edited January 31 by rantan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 (edited) 21 minutes ago, rantan said: The Marantz is really not ideally suited to the MA speakers Thanks Lindsay, much appreciated. I am doing good thanks for asking..hope you are doing well. 2 weeks earlier visited Frank Prowse HI FI and listened to Luxman class A int amp . Mark was great guy helped me and gave some suggestions on stereo set-up and to listen Wilson , Wharf speakers. Yes amp and some room treatment are on the to do next list. Edited January 31 by Drunken Monk 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sir sanders zingmore 12,185 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 On 14/01/2021 at 9:49 PM, sir sanders zingmore said: I would recommend playing around with speaker positioning first if you want the largest impact on soundstage. You might get what you are after without spending anything have you tried this yet? Or has the problem morphed into a discussion about what position the volume knob should be at? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 2 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: have you tried this yet? Or has the problem morphed into a discussion about what position the volume knob should be at? Thank you sir, I tried placement of speakers, but Now the real.issue is my room as it does not have room proper placement. I need a bit bigger room as the dimension is too small for my setup. Link to post Share on other sites
sir sanders zingmore 12,185 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, Drunken Monk said: Thank you sir, I tried placement of speakers, but Now the real.issue is my room as it does not have room proper placement. I need a bit bigger room as the dimension is too small for my setup. I might have missed it but what are your room dimensions? And if the room is the problem, why are you looking to fix it by changing your amp?? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
rantan 10,085 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, Drunken Monk said: 2 weeks earlier visited Frank Prowse HI FI and listened to Luxman class A into amp . Mark was great guy helped me and gave some suggestions on stereo set-up and to listen Wilson , Wharf speakers. I am sure the Wilson speakers are divine but regrettably are way beyond my pay grade. What I can say without any hesitation is that the Luxman class A amplifier works superbly with the Wharfedale EVO 4.2 and my Silver 500 and I could not be happier, with no changes planned unless I win Powerball Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, sir sanders zingmore said: I might have missed it but what are your room dimensions? And if the room is the problem, why are you looking to fix it by changing your amp?? Yes, it's a room size issue , I had chat with Mark @Hydrology. It's more like 3m * 4m room the speaker is on 3m side. Also I have a klipsch floorstanders and center channel on the 4 m side with television. The space is bit cramped. Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 (edited) 17 minutes ago, rantan said: Luxman class A amplifier works superbly with the Wharfadale floor standers I really felt the Luxman class A magic in a properly treated room. The Elysian floor standers are also amazing with Lumin streamer and Nordost cables. Wilson is in another level. Thanks for pointing to the right Hi Fi shop @rantan Edited January 31 by Drunken Monk 2 Link to post Share on other sites
rantan 10,085 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Drunken Monk said: I really felt the Luxman class A magic in a properly treated room. The Elysian floor standers are also amazing with Lumin streamer and Nordost cables. Wilson is in another level. Srini. Just one thing mate with my recent quote. Something has gone wrong because I posted that the Luxman was great with the EVO 4.2. I have never heard the Elysian unfortunately. Edited January 31 by rantan Link to post Share on other sites
sir sanders zingmore 12,185 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 24 minutes ago, Drunken Monk said: Yes, it's a room size issue , So why are you looking for amps? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken Monk 107 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 (edited) @sir sanders zingmore will change the room then the amp will be upgraded later . Intially was thinking it was amp issue. Edited January 31 by Drunken Monk Link to post Share on other sites
MattyW 2,239 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 hours ago, Martykt said: Was that a freudian slip there @MattyW... ?? Phone auto correct 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TerryO 2,744 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 On 31/01/2021 at 10:47 AM, rantan said: Srini. Just one thing mate with my recent quote. Something has gone wrong because I posted that the Luxman was great with the EVO 4.2. I have never heard the Elysian unfortunately. They are well worth having a listen to Lindsay, having recently heard the Elysian stand mounts myself I would have to say for their asking price they are a bargain, if they had a different brand name on them they would have a much higher asking price. As for cabinet finish you would almost pay the asking price just to be able to have them as furniture, incredibly well made. cheers, Terry 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
genkifd 138 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 why not look at speaker / equipment placement? may cost nothing. after that room treatment? if these are already explored then i would be looking at changing the amp. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
andrewyuri 205 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 14/01/2021 at 9:49 PM, sir sanders zingmore said: I would recommend playing around with speaker positioning first if you want the largest impact on soundstage. You might get what you are after without spending anything I thoroughly agree with this approach. Whilst upgrading your equipment certainly makes a difference, those differences are dwarfed by changes in the room and especially speaker positioning. Get back to basics: bring the speakers out from room boundaries as much as possible - given domestic constraints. Control the points of first reflection and put your listening position in the right place. Only then start upon the upgrade path. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jhsg 326 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Do some reading about room correction. Mini dsp is a decent entry point into this game. Room correction did a LOT for my staging and imaging. Good luck! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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