Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted January 6, 2021 Author Volunteer Share Posted January 6, 2021 52 minutes ago, vgcr said: Many artists have both MQA and "original" versions of albums on Tidal - More and more I'm noticing that the 'original' versions are no longer available on the MQA version. Tidal seems to be removing the choice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder_Snake Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, awayward said: Down sampling is not Neil’s issue, it is the use of the term master, Tidal’s master is not what Neil’s definition of master is, and not his master version, fair enough I reckon. From what I read, he mentions he’s upset with the degradation of the original artist’s work, artist’s intent. Shouldn’t Spotify’s degradation be grouped into that camp if that is the core of his issue? Alternatively, if I’m incorrect in my interpretation, Spotify is certainly not providing anything close to his master version. I didn’t read anything there where he mentioned he has no problem with down sampling. Did I miss it? I agree with @Marc, ulterior motive perhaps. Edited January 6, 2021 by G_goodwin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niktech Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 There's a very interesting thread about the MQA filter and "Mastering" on Audiophile Style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieMick Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Hi All, NY’s specific grumble was that it says “Master” (he said Masters, but we’ll forgive him his error) and that it implied it was his own master, which it isn’t. He specifically said that if it said, “Tidal Masters” (again the wrong name, and if he can’t be thorough enough to get the name right...), that he’d be okay with it. Well, sorry, NY, but nowhere in the Tidal literature, app or webpage does it say that. Indeed, there’s a bit under “what is Tidal Master Audio” where it explicitly says it’s a version from their partner MQA. I’m cynical, too. His own formats have failed and he’s trying again. Blustering like his President at perceived injustice. I get it, but I think he’s going about it the wrong way. I’ve only recently discovered his music, and it’s been via streaming. I suppose I can hunt out CD and vinyl to keep listening. Or buy downloads. But, for now he’s extricated himself from listening room. That makes me a bit sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltop Rob Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Slightly off topic, but is Neil doing his own website? That is one of the worst sites I've seen since GeoCities.... I was gonna share the link around to a few friends, but I don't want to be responsible for sending anyone to that disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted January 6, 2021 Author Volunteer Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, AussieMick said: Hi All, NY’s specific grumble was that it says “Master” (he said Masters, but we’ll forgive him his error) and that it implied it was his own master, which it isn’t. He specifically said that if it said, “Tidal Masters” (again the wrong name, and if he can’t be thorough enough to get the name right...), that he’d be okay with it. Well, sorry, NY, but nowhere in the Tidal literature, app or webpage does it say that. Indeed, there’s a bit under “what is Tidal Master Audio” where it explicitly says it’s a version from their partner MQA. I’m cynical, too. His own formats have failed and he’s trying again. Blustering like his President at perceived injustice. I get it, but I think he’s going about it the wrong way. I’ve only recently discovered his music, and it’s been via streaming. I suppose I can hunt out CD and vinyl to keep listening. Or buy downloads. But, for now he’s extricated himself from listening room. That makes me a bit sad. ' This is what MQA says about MQA. MQA is the breakthrough audio technology that enables music fans to stream the original master recording into their home, car or on their mobile. I guess Neil Young is objecting to the claim that it's the "original master recording" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two fold Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/06/neil-young-sells-50-per-cent-of-entire-song-catalogue-rights-to-hipgnosis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieMick Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, two fold said: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/06/neil-young-sells-50-per-cent-of-entire-song-catalogue-rights-to-hipgnosis “...certainly stretch to nine figures.” Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Fi Whipped Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, AussieMick said: “...certainly stretch to nine figures.” Wow Nice, how many tidal streams would it take to make $150m? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Imagine having a few hits in the late 80s, thinking you'd be able to retire on it for good then finding streaming services etc eroded your royalty stream so much that you have to get out and start playing live again. Playing live into your 70s must be really hard work and not for everyone, although Paul McCartney does make it look easy. Selling your catalog is the last bastion of real value old artists can unlock before they give up the ghost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted January 6, 2021 Author Volunteer Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said: Selling your catalog is the last bastion of real value old artists can unlock before they give up the ghost. Unlocking money from your catalog is not new. Remember Bowie Bonds? https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6843009/david-bowies-bowie-bonds-55-million-wall-street-prudential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 yeah Bowie was a freaking visionary though. He could see a future when your music ran like water out of a tap and made sure to cash in on it early. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Range Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Re sale of 50% of Neil Young’s catalog My preference would have been to make a long lease for the work and place conditions on the works use ect By doing that, an artist can still have control of ones work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofeline Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 12 hours ago, two fold said: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/06/neil-young-sells-50-per-cent-of-entire-song-catalogue-rights-to-hipgnosis Wow. I thought Hipgnosis were a graphic design company specialising in "arty" album sleeve design in the 70's. I thought they would have probably disappeared by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofeline Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 I don't object to what Neil has done. There are not many artists who take a stand trying to ensure the audio quality of their work is delivered to their fans. There are not many artists who are in a position to take a stand against the new music industry digital controllers exploiting the artists to a much greater degree than the recording industry has done previously (Taylor Swift is another example, David Crosby has had a rant but he doesn't have an influential catalogue to the same degree as Young and Swift has). Young has made attempts to control of his catalogue before, and not always succeeded, but his work will always be available in one format or another. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, audiofeline said: Wow. I thought Hipgnosis were a graphic design company specialising in "arty" album sleeve design in the 70's. I thought they would have probably disappeared by now. I initially thought Storm and Aubrey and Peter (RIP) had resurrected their brand, but no. Not related at all. Someone just repurposing the name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkinClassAudio Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 I used to have a Tidal subscription. Streaming MQA did sound better than streaming 16bit on that platform. I think Tidal calling their MQA as Master quality is misleading. It is not Master quality. I returned to Qobuz because that platform has a better catalogue of music. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimbo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 06/01/2021 at 4:47 PM, AussieMick said: Blustering like his President at perceived injustice. Obviously a Marxist MSM lover.Let the Corps own the world huh, no matter what fraud is used. I just listened to NY today on Spotify. Great Background music. Tried Tidal a year or two back and found it a pain in the ass. When I'm listening intently, I get the old LP out. BTW, the RSD MASTER of "Four Way Street" is fantastic and every CSNY lover should pick it up if they see it for sale. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted January 9, 2021 Author Volunteer Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 08/01/2021 at 12:06 PM, GroovyGuru said: I think Tidal calling their MQA as Master quality is misleading. It is not Master quality. completely agree, I will be switching to Qoboz the moment I can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: completely agree, I will be switching to Qoboz the moment I can Yep. Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicprObe Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 MQA is trying to control the whole recording chain so that they can control everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussievintage Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said: Yep. Same here This and many other comments, niggles etc, have me thinking Tidal are making some big mistakes. The high pricing not least amongst them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal beat Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 (edited) 100 % agree with Neil here. The public has been lied to ever since 1983 with the totally incorrect " Perfect Sound Forever" Philips and Sony execs should have gone to jail over that total lie. Master recording always relates to the master tape. For Tidal to call their MQA release as Master recordings is a total lie and Jay Z should be in jail Edited January 9, 2021 by metal beat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 4 hours ago, sir sanders zingmore said: completely agree, I will be switching to Qoboz the moment I can Terrifyingly, Qobuz has no less than 69 Neil Young albums. Is there more than one Neil Young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyse1 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Steffen said: Terrifyingly, Qobuz has no less than 69 Neil Young albums. Is there more than one Neil Young? If you are lost I can tell you the 6 records that the other 63 are built on 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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