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I purchased a par of 60 XD and, after a very long at home audition (the retailer left their XD speakers with me for over 2 weeks to test) during which I compared these with the following set up:

https://lifestylestore.com.au/product/dynaudio-focus-20-xd-bookshelf-speakers/ https://lifestylestore.com.au/product/dynaudio-focus-30-xd-floor-standing-speakers/ https://lifestylestore.com.

I received my set of 60XD’s on Friday. Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, suffice they are a lot of speaker for the money. Finish is very nice. Will write up some listening thoughts soon 

Wow! What a bargain!

Have 400 XD (same as 30 XD).

Anyone considering active speakers should be all over this!

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35 minutes ago, pusko said:

Wow! What a bargain!

Have 400 XD (same as 30 XD).

Anyone considering active speakers should be all over this!

Agreed a bargain indeed.

I have the 600XD's (same as the 60XD's after the firmware update).

An excellent speaker and easy to use.

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Yeah this is a great deal.

 

They are a heck of a lot of speaker for the money at this price.

 

I purchased a pair of 60XD, just because they were so cheap. The gloss finishes are also very nice (ordered rosewood).

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I’m not certain but I would expect the series is being updated and they are clearing out the stock before the new series.

 

It’s certainly hard knowing when Dynaudio will update a series, some series like the contour i series have been quite quick and other ranges haven’t been updated in quite a while.

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Do you know what tweeter is on the focus 60xd?

I read somewhere that it is a version of the esotar, while somewhere else it says it's just the same esotec found in older focus models. Any Intel? 

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On 26/01/2021 at 4:07 AM, o2so said:

Do you know what tweeter is on the focus 60xd?

I read somewhere that it is a version of the esotar, while somewhere else it says it's just the same esotec found in older focus models. Any Intel? 

 

Pretty sure it's the esotar.

Had a tweeter replaced on a pair of 200XD' and that was $900.00 just for the tweeter.

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Looks like they ate still available for 1/2 price

 

Do you know anything about changes in the new model or when they’re being released?
 

I love the sound of the current Focus XD, the only thing that worries me is they are now have 15 year old digital technology in them, is it going to be supported forever...

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10 minutes ago, Matt99 said:

the only thing that worries me is they are now have 15 year old digital technology in them, is it going to be supported forever...

 

15 year old digital technology.

Where did you get that info from?

 

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Ok I have to admit I posted that late last night and now I think it was probably a stupid comment

 

The audio processing hardware in the original Focus XD 200/400/600 series was based on the Texas Instruments TAS5015 from 2001 which is now out of production by TI. And according to Dynaudio the newer 20/30/60 and the older models are equivalent if running the same firmware, so it could be the same chip. But after thinking about it I'm sure Dynaudio are more than capable of maintaining support for the platform for decades. They would be using it in tons of professional studio speakers as well. And who knows they might have moved to a newer chip, there's nothing stopping them if it measures the same and is firmware compatible. I would not expect the model of chip to have any effect on the sound, the magic is in the DSP in firmware.

 

I was wondering if the new model might have an upgraded drivers with trickle-down technology from Contour, like the Special Forty... but if they do that they could well increase the price as well.

 

Anyway, I decided to get a pair :)

 

 

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On 13/03/2021 at 3:45 PM, Matt99 said:

Anyway, I decided to get a pair :)

 

Congratulations! Which one did you go for? 20, 30 or 60?

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The 30. The 60 is just too big for the room, and at the price I couldn't justify not going up from the 20.

 

 

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Matt99 said:

The 30. The 60 is just too big for the room, and at the price I couldn't justify not going up from the 20.

 

 

That's great! The 30s strike the right balance between price and performance

 

Initial thoughts? What was your previous setup?

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On 23/03/2021 at 1:01 PM, anandpkumar said:

 

That's great! The 30s strike the right balance between price and performance

 

Initial thoughts? What was your previous setup?

I purchased a par of 60 XD and, after a very long at home audition (the retailer left their XD speakers with me for over 2 weeks to test) during which I compared these with the following set up:

- Kef LS50 Meta

- Two SB2000 Pro subs

- All integrated perfectly with MiniDSP SHD

- Powered by Hypex Ncore 

 

My thoughts on the comparison, which was eventually won by the Dyns, were that:

- For some inexplicable reason, the Dyns had significantly better, cleaner bass in my room. Equally deeper but faster. This was confirmed by measurements and resulted in an audible improvements in dynamics, bass detail and PRAT

- Measured distortion was  comparable across all the full frequency range, with the KEFs+subs doing minimally better up high (but not to any audible extent)

- The medium range was similar and exceptional in both

- The highs were a little bit different. Similarly refined and airy, but a touch harder (or punchier) in the kefs, a touch sweeter in the Dyns. Perhaps this is due to the differences in the tweeter design (titanium vs soft dome). No difference in the amount of detail retrieval.

- Phantom imaging was marginally better in the kefs, but the difference was quite hard to detect

- Soundstage was similar in width, but obviously taller and more pleasant to my ears with the dyns.

- One of the biggest subjective difference was in timing/pace. The Dyns were significantly better, perhaps due to the active design and active digital crossovers. Overall cohesion and attack were the best I have heard from any speakers.

 

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28 minutes ago, o2so said:

I purchased a par of 60 XD.........

 

Thanks for that elaborate write-up. Your 60XDs look great in that colour!

 

Do you connect the left and right speakers wirelessly or through coax cable? 

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41 minutes ago, anandpkumar said:

 

Thanks for that elaborate write-up. Your 60XDs look great in that colour!

 

Do you connect the left and right speakers wirelessly or through coax cable? 

Those in the pic were the demo model, I purchased them in white which I personally much prefer as they blend more are are far less visually intrusive.

I experimented with wired vs fully wireless and could not hear any difference at all, so they are running wireless to take advantage of less cable clutter.

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1 hour ago, o2so said:

- For some inexplicable reason, the Dyns had significantly better, cleaner bass in my room. Equally deeper but faster. This was confirmed by measurements and resulted in an audible improvements in dynamics, bass detail and PRAT

 

The 60 XDs are sealed boxes, which could be why...

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5 minutes ago, Matt99 said:

 

The 60 XDs are sealed boxes, which could be why...

so are the SVS subs that I had, and I was lo-passing them at 120Hz. And I had plugged the rear port of the LS50s too. I think it had to do with positioning, subs were on floor while woofers in the Dyns are elevated

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On 25/03/2021 at 10:57 AM, o2so said:

I purchased a par of 60 XD and, after a very long at home audition (the retailer left their XD speakers with me for over 2 weeks to test) during which I compared these with the following set up:

- Kef LS50 Meta

- Two SB2000 Pro subs

- All integrated perfectly with MiniDSP SHD

- Powered by Hypex Ncore 

 

My thoughts on the comparison, which was eventually won by the Dyns, were that:

- For some inexplicable reason, the Dyns had significantly better, cleaner bass in my room. Equally deeper but faster. This was confirmed by measurements and resulted in an audible improvements in dynamics, bass detail and PRAT

- Measured distortion was  comparable across all the full frequency range, with the KEFs+subs doing minimally better up high (but not to any audible extent)

- The medium range was similar and exceptional in both

- The highs were a little bit different. Similarly refined and airy, but a touch harder (or punchier) in the kefs, a touch sweeter in the Dyns. Perhaps this is due to the differences in the tweeter design (titanium vs soft dome). No difference in the amount of detail retrieval.

- Phantom imaging was marginally better in the kefs, but the difference was quite hard to detect

- Soundstage was similar in width, but obviously taller and more pleasant to my ears with the dyns.

- One of the biggest subjective difference was in timing/pace. The Dyns were significantly better, perhaps due to the active design and active digital crossovers. Overall cohesion and attack were the best I have heard from any speakers.

 

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Interesting. Were you running any room correction on the Dyns? Is that even possible if running wirelessly?

 

I've been saving my pennies for a p452 and an SHD for my Special Forties, but the 20 XDs are a tempting alternative at that price. Not sure I'll have the cash before the stock is gone, but it's something for me to consider.

 

Do we know much about the amplification in the XDs, other than wattage? 

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The Focus 30XDs are of interest to me too. I’ve got a pair of PMC Gb1i’s and I’m in the process of looking for an amp and streamer (looking to spend <$3k). I wonder if it makes sense just getting the 30XDs instead, any thoughts?

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3 hours ago, twofires said:

 

Interesting. Were you running any room correction on the Dyns? Is that even possible if running wirelessly?

 

I've been saving my pennies for a p452 and an SHD for my Special Forties, but the 20 XDs are a tempting alternative at that price. Not sure I'll have the cash before the stock is gone, but it's something for me to consider.

 

Do we know much about the amplification in the XDs, other than wattage? 

Yes, I was running also the Dyns via minidsp shd for a fair comparison with my other system, so totally possible. 

 

The xds are ran by class D amplification, not sure which type but certainly not Hypex modules. I would not worry though because whatever amp they run, any frequency response errors are corrected by the inbuilt dsp, and distortion is low enough to be irrelevant. 

The main issue with older class D modules is that they had variable  response of the high frequcies depending on the speaker impedance load. So with some speakers they would do well, with some others they'd be bright or dull. In the XDs this problem does not exist because the amp is matched to the speaker in house. In fact, there is one amp for each driver, downstream of the digital crossover. Could not be better than this me thinks. 

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1 hour ago, renesis said:

The Focus 30XDs are of interest to me too. I’ve got a pair of PMC Gb1i’s and I’m in the process of looking for an amp and streamer (looking to spend <$3k). I wonder if it makes sense just getting the 30XDs instead, any thoughts?

I think it makes perfect sense. I haven't heard the Gb1i's but all the PMCs I've heard sounded pretty uneven to me, and all the measurements I have seen confirmed they have a pretty flawed, ehm, unique design. The fact that many like their sound signature is a different story. 

Dynaudios are generally well designed and measure very well. Especially the XDs that take advantage of inbuilt dsp and active crossover. I did audition the 30xd too and compared with the 60xd at home for several days. They were pretty close in sound signature. 

With that said, if you like your speakers I'd suggest to just get a new generation class D amp and a minidsp shd which is a streamer/preamp/ room correction/DAC all in one and you'll have a world class source for less than 3 grand. 

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On 27/03/2021 at 10:38 AM, o2so said:

With that said, if you like your speakers I'd suggest to just get a new generation class D amp and a minidsp shd which is a streamer/preamp/ room correction/DAC all in one and you'll have a world class source for less than 3 grand. 

Thanks for the advice. I do like the PMC sound signature (at least the ones before they moved onto the 20/25 series which I haven’t heard). I just wonder if I’m missing out on what appears to be a bargain. Maybe I should go audition them. Edit: scrap that, been told no more speakers. I’m stuck with the PMC’s. Time to focus on finding an amp.

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I received my set of 60XD’s on Friday. Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, suffice they are a lot of speaker for the money. Finish is very nice. Will write up some listening thoughts soon 

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24 minutes ago, Ray H said:

I received my set of 60XD’s on Friday. Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, suffice they are a lot of speaker for the money. Finish is very nice. Will write up some listening thoughts soon 

 

Love the high gloss Rosewood finish.

 

You won't be disappointed.

 

I have the 600XD's with 60XD firmware update.

 

Great speakers, easy to use, very convenient just turn your source on & the speakers turn on by themselves.

 

Although I do prefer to use my Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac through the analogue inputs rather than the internal analogue conversion via the digital input.

 

And a surprisingly perfect fit for my small 3.7m x 3.2m room given the amount of drivers and amplifiers inside.

 

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1 hour ago, renesis said:

Thanks for the advice. I do like the PMC sound signature (at least the ones before they moved onto the 20/25 series which I haven’t heard). I just wonder if I’m missing out on what appears to be a bargain. Maybe I should go audition them. Edit: scrap that, been told no more speakers. I’m stuck with the PMC’s. Time to focus on finding an amp.

 

For what it's worth, I think that's a good call, I have listened to the GB1 and the Focus 260 (passive predecessor to the 30 XD) around the same time and I thought they were pretty different. I remember the PMC as having a kind of warm romantic sound that you wouldn't necessarily get from the Dynaudio so if you like that sound you might be disappointed. The GB1(i) are very special speakers.

 

Also the Dynaudios don't come with a streamer, it's an extra $750 for the connect box which has pretty limited streaming capabilities.

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Muzza71 said:

 

Love the high gloss Rosewood finish.

 

You won't be disappointed.

 

I have the 600XD's with 60XD firmware update.

 

Great speakers, easy to use, very convenient just turn your source on & the speakers turn on by themselves.

 

Although I do prefer to use my Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac through the analogue inputs rather than the internal analogue conversion via the digital input.

 

And a surprisingly perfect fit for my small 3.7m x 3.2m room given the amount of drivers and amplifiers inside.

 

Hi Muza;

 

Thankyou, you answered one of my initial thoughts analogue v digital connection.

 

Will try the analogue first I think. ?

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4 hours ago, Muzza71 said:

 

Love the high gloss Rosewood finish.

 

You won't be disappointed.

 

I have the 600XD's with 60XD firmware update.

 

Great speakers, easy to use, very convenient just turn your source on & the speakers turn on by themselves.

 

Although I do prefer to use my Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac through the analogue inputs rather than the internal analogue conversion via the digital input.

 

And a surprisingly perfect fit for my small 3.7m x 3.2m room given the amount of drivers and amplifiers inside.

 

If I may ask, how is your external dac improving the sound? The Dyns will digitize your analogue input, run it through the internal digital crossover and dsp and then, using their internal dac, convert it to analogue before sending it to drivers. So if I am correct by adding an external dac, even a very good  dac, you are simply adding an A/D and  D/A step  to the chain. I would think that, if anything, this will degrade the signal. 

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5 hours ago, renesis said:

Thanks for the advice. I do like the PMC sound signature (at least the ones before they moved onto the 20/25 series which I haven’t heard). I just wonder if I’m missing out on what appears to be a bargain. Maybe I should go audition them. Edit: scrap that, been told no more speakers. I’m stuck with the PMC’s. Time to focus on finding an amp.

I only heard the 20 and 25 series, so maybe that's why. 

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4 hours ago, Ray H said:

I received my set of 60XD’s on Friday. Haven’t had a chance to listen yet, suffice they are a lot of speaker for the money. Finish is very nice. Will write up some listening thoughts soon 

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Nice colour. How convenient is that tweeter protector? I spray-painted mine in black and leave it on all the time (except when listening obvs) to avoid any kid induced damage. 

 

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The analogue connection bypasses the internal analogue conversion.

The dsp is for the bass adjustment.

 

I have run both inputs into many different components, most recently a DCS Network Bridge and to my ears the Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac is my preference.

 

There were no obvious improvements though when I compared the Primaluna Dac 100 or Line Magnetic LM32 to the internal analogue conversion.

 

I continue to use the phrase analogue conversion as I believe from memory the Dynaudios don't have an internal dac, the digital signal is converted somehow directly to the drivers.

 

Like myself you will have to experiment to find your preference, fortunately the Dynaudio's offer that flexibility.

 

You can press the input button on the fly to change between analogue and digital input for a direct comparison.

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10 minutes ago, o2so said:

Nice colour. How convenient is that tweeter protector? I spray-painted mine in black and leave it on all the time (except when listening obvs) to avoid any kid induced damage. 

 

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That's not a bad idea, Dyn tweeters being about the most fragile things in the known universe. ? It takes real restraint to resist the urge to clean the dust off them. There's a cat hair on one of mine. It lives there now.

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1 minute ago, Muzza71 said:

@o2so 

The analogue connection bypasses the internal analogue conversion.

The dsp is for the bass adjustment.

 

I have run both inputs into many different components, most recently a DCS Network Bridge and to my ears the Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac is my preference.

 

There were no obvious improvements though when I compared the Primaluna Dac 100 or Line Magnetic LM32 to the internal analogue conversion.

 

I continue to use the phrase analogue conversion as I believe from memory the Dynaudios don't have an internal dac, the signal is converted somehow directly to the drivers.

 

Like myself you will have to experiment to find your preference, fortunately the Dynaudio's offer that flexibility.

 

You can press the input button on the fly to change between analogue and digital input for a direct comparison.

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Are you 100% positive? Cause I am pretty sure of what I am saying. The crossover is digital, I think. 

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6 minutes ago, Muzza71 said:

@o2so 

The analogue connection bypasses the internal analogue conversion.

The dsp is for the bass adjustment.

 

I have run both inputs into many different components, most recently a DCS Network Bridge and to my ears the Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac is my preference.

 

There were no obvious improvements though when I compared the Primaluna Dac 100 or Line Magnetic LM32 to the internal analogue conversion.

 

I continue to use the phrase analogue conversion as I believe from memory the Dynaudios don't have an internal dac, the digital signal is converted somehow directly to the drivers.

 

Like myself you will have to experiment to find your preference, fortunately the Dynaudio's offer that flexibility.

 

You can press the input button on the fly to change between analogue and digital input for a direct comparison.

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Also, they must have a DAC. A digital signal won't move the drivers. If the DAC is integrated in the amp like Nad does, it's still a conversion you have to go through. 

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18 minutes ago, Muzza71 said:

@o2so 

The analogue connection bypasses the internal analogue conversion.

The dsp is for the bass adjustment.

 

I have run both inputs into many different components, most recently a DCS Network Bridge and to my ears the Denafrips Venus 2 R2R Dac is my preference.

 

There were no obvious improvements though when I compared the Primaluna Dac 100 or Line Magnetic LM32 to the internal analogue conversion.

 

I continue to use the phrase analogue conversion as I believe from memory the Dynaudios don't have an internal dac, the digital signal is converted somehow directly to the drivers.

 

Like myself you will have to experiment to find your preference, fortunately the Dynaudio's offer that flexibility.

 

You can press the input button on the fly to change between analogue and digital input for a direct comparison.

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I think I was right mate. But yes, they use a PCM to PWM conversion in the amp. Which means the amp must take PCM (digital) input only. So any analog input is converted to digital. 

 

From the Stereophile review:

 

according to Dynaudio, all signals are processed digitally in the amplifier without analog conversion, and remain in the digital domain until the latest possible and most ideal moment—right at the drivers. When I asked Dynaudio USA's Mike Manousselis and Mick Tillman for more information, they told me that the amp is based on Texas Instruments' True Digital Audio Amplifier (TDAA) and TAS5015 Digital Audio PWM Processor, based on Toccata's Equibit technology, which accept a PCM digital audio stream and convert it to a PWM audio stream to drive the speakers

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I must admit, first time I have had a dynaudio shipped with the tweeter cover, I nearly put a finger through the tweeter taking it off. But pretty convenient once you are used to how they come off

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11 hours ago, Ray H said:

I must admit, first time I have had a dynaudio shipped with the tweeter cover, I nearly put a finger through the tweeter taking it off. But pretty convenient once you are used to how they come off

true. I was very careful for the first week or two but now I am used to it and it is a breeze

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