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Good salesmanship and promotion.  Same reasons iphone users always recommend iphones.

Exactly.... The man asked for something simple....

I saw that Audio Connection had a 20% off sale on Bluesound so I pulled the pin on the Vault 2i. Thanks kindly to everyone for their help. What a great forum!

Thought a pic might help.

 

While this shows Roon, there are many other solutions.

The Roon Core catalogs the audio library/music files stored on a NAS/Hard Drive and assists in serving these up to your streamer.

Roon Control is your remote control (App on your phone/tablet) for accessing the library and controlling the Roon Endpoint (Streamer).

Both Wifi and cabled ethernet can be used to access your audio library and drive your listening.

 

While Roon is great, it is likely one of the more expensive solutions given the cost of its subscription/licence.  There are cheaper, each with their own benefits and tradeoffs.  The overall architecture of them however still aligns in a similar way to the diagram below in terms of software to catalogue your audio library, access your playback endpoint and control your listening.

 

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13 minutes ago, AlurkA said:

While Roon is great, it is likely one of the more expensive solutions given the cost of its subscription/licence.  There are cheaper, each with their own benefits and tradeoffs.  The overall architecture of them however still aligns in a similar way to the diagram below in terms of software to catalogue your audio library, access your playback endpoint and control your listening.

 

 

Yep, nothing very special about what they do, and it costs a lot.  A friend has gone that way, and I don't see any value, other than, for a non-technical person, it's like buying a kit with instructions that make it easier to put together and get working.  The end result doesn't sound any better.

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Roon is a bit exxy, a lifetime subscription a few months ago cost me the best part of a grand. Since then, I seem to be using the native app on my Auralic devices (Lightning DS on the iPad) rather than Roon on the iPad, but it does come in handy when I want to stream to something that the Streamer can't do natively, even things like a Sonus Arc Soundbar at the TV downstairs or an outside pair of speakers and it can handle multiple end points.

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I saw that Audio Connection had a 20% off sale on Bluesound so I pulled the pin on the Vault 2i. Thanks kindly to everyone for their help. What a great forum!

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On 26/12/2020 at 10:28 AM, aussievintage said:

 

 

Yep, nothing very special about what they do, and it costs a lot.  A friend has gone that way, and I don't see any value, other than, for a non-technical person, it's like buying a kit with instructions that make it easier to put together and get working.  The end result doesn't sound any better.

Roon is a very powerful platform. Many don’t touch the sides of this capability.

 

I’m running a 10 zone setup in my house and self contained cottage, all rubbing RAAT as a streaming protocol across devices including a Lumin T2, a pair of bluesound Powernodes, a bluesound pulse soundbar, a desktop Mac and a smattering of raspberry pi’s with DAC HATs.


The main listening room is also doing convolution with some custom curves and Roon is also the head end to 3TB of my own music on a NAS and streaming Tidal.

 

if you’re just running it to stream tidal or a local file store, yeah it’s possibly overkill. But if you are really pushing it, there’s a lot under the hood to play with.

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17 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said:

Roon is a very powerful platform. Many don’t touch the sides of this capability.

 

Most don't, that is true, and that makes it expensive for most.  For the functions that actually get used by most,  it offers little over other solutions.   For what I understand being discussed here,  just playing music from large enough storage (nas or not) it is an expensive solution.

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7 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

Not sure why many beginner's question (in this thread and others) are so often answered by "get Roon"?   

 

Good salesmanship and promotion.  Same reasons iphone users always recommend iphones.

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2 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

Good salesmanship and promotion.  Same reasons iphone users always recommend iphones.

iPhone, I understand; it is easy to use and easily acquired by a beginner.  Roon can be a big beast and can get complicated, not cheap to get and can require grunty hardware.  Not exactly easy for someone just starting out. 

 

 It appears that many of these posters who automatically post "get Roon" have not read the OP's requirements.

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41 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

iPhone, I understand; it is easy to use and easily acquired by a beginner.  Roon can be a big beast and can get complicated, not cheap to get and can require grunty hardware.  Not exactly easy for someone just starting out. 

 

Yeah, the analogy breaks down on that point.  I only meant that, it's the tech they are familiar with, so it's what they recommend.

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8 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

Not sure why many beginner's question (in this thread and others) are so often answered by "get Roon"?   

Exactly.... The man asked for something simple....

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1 hour ago, pulinap said:

Exactly.... The man asked for something simple....

As a happy roon user, setting up roon is simpler than setting up a nas. 

 

All you need to do is to install the roon software on any pc connected your intranet and it will detect compatible devices automatically. I am long term user of jriver, and the quality of the music transfer, the automatic filing function of my  8 T music files including labeled one and not labelled one made me really happy. (It will add meta data based on the analysis of the music files, even they are labelled randomly. ) Also it can recommend me different versions of same symphony by different conductors automatically from tidal and my local music library. Some of them have hundreds of different versions and  all are accessable on my finger tips.

 

The transfer of music in your intranet is superior than other protocol as it is using a technology called raat. You can access roon website to check out.

 

Personally I can't think of more handy and better service available other than roon. If you can give a cheaper example, I would be very thankful.

 

I know for some old fashioned audiophiles, the streaming of music is pure gimmick, as thy have invested countless hours on the vintage gears and medias such as CD or vinyls, and the technology might makes those not that matter. Preference is just preference, with all due respect, everyone can recommend anything they are enjoying , there is nothing wrong with it.

 

 

 

Well this is only my 2 cents. Lol 

 

 

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12 hours ago, thundom said:

The transfer of music in your intranet is superior than other protocol as it is using a technology called raat. You can access roon website to check out.

 

This part is broadly untrue. So is any notion that Roon is the last word in playback quality (it's certainly not bad though).

 

12 hours ago, thundom said:

Personally I can't think of more handy and better service available other than roon. 

 

This part is very true - Roon does a lot, and insofar as users that love music, are keen to explore and aren't so technical, Roon is pretty solid.

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I transferred my collection onto a 1Tb (mixed albums) and 2 Tb (artists and their albums) USB Solid State Drives and plug them directly into my Streamer (Lumin U mini but should work on others).  I brought the drives on Amazon on Cyber Monday when they were nicely discounted.  My collection is separated in folders A-Z and then Artist and then Albums in sub folders 🙄  Mixed by genre.  Lumin seems to find the artwork as well.

 

Eventually I may lash out and buy a more powerful NAS and run MinimServer though I spend the majority of my time just streaming Tidal nowadays.  Just too convenient I reckon 🤪

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1 minute ago, Rosco8 said:

I transferred my collection onto a 1Tb (mixed albums) and 2 Tb (artists and their albums) USB Solid State Drives and plug them directly into my Streamer (Lumin U mini but should work on others).  I brought the drives on Amazon on Cyber Monday when they were nicely discounted.  My collection is separated in folders A-Z and then Artist and then Albums in sub folders 🙄  Mixed by genre.  Lumin seems to find the artwork as well.

 

Eventually I may lash out and buy a more powerful NAS and run MinimServer though I spend the majority of my time just streaming Tidal nowadays.  Just too convenient I reckon 🤪

Me too, haha

 

Tidal too handy.

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On 27/12/2020 at 7:22 PM, thundom said:

 

I know for some old fashioned audiophiles, the streaming of music is pure gimmick, as thy have invested countless hours on the vintage gears and medias such as CD or vinyls, and the technology might makes those not that matter. Preference is just preference, with all due respect, everyone can recommend anything they are enjoying , there is nothing wrong with it.

 

 

 

 

Streaming is certainly no pure gimmick, its just another method of delivery. I think that is a point to keep in mind. 

 

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All you need is a software which will organize your music library and an external HD which will hold your files. 

I use JRivers which is $50 I think and 10TB external HD drive . You don't need any stinky streamers , internet , modems and all the related $$$ junk. You run the usb output of your laptop to  USB dac or if  non of your dacs has USB input you buy cheap but decent USB /SPDIF converter and you're done. Yes , the inconvenience is the cable sticking out of the computer but it's nothing compared to  burning files into CDR and playing them on the player ...

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Hi everyone, the Bluesound Vault 2i arrived about a week ago. Easy peasy setup. Plugged my external hardrive in & set the BlueOS app up on my phone & lappie & started playing music.  The internal dac is decent, though yet to be fully burned in & sounds great through my Line Magnetic dac. One very happy punter. Thanks again for everyone's interest :)

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