FS: Legacy Audio Focus SE Speakers

[Ayrton]

Item Condition: As new

Shipping Options: Pickup available and you can audition.,Shipping is available at agreed cost.

Suburb or Town: Brisbane

State: QLD

Payment Method: Cash, PayID

Reason for selling: Scaling back my setup.

Only a few years old, but in AS NEW condition.  

A ridiculous bargain at this price, relatively speaking 

OVER 40% less than replacement cost. 

If you have the budget for these speakers, then I very much doubt you will find anything better, either in build quality, design, nor sound at this price.

There are tons of reviews online.  

Full details here:

https://www.legacyaudio.com/products/view/focus-se/

 

And happy to donate 1% of the sale price to Stereo.net for providing the faciltieis to enable the sale. 

 

Serious bidders only please. 

This IS a fair market price.  

Pricing is NOT determined by how much you can afford.  

 

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

 

[BugPowderDust]

They look lovely. Super finish too. Glwts.

[Ayrton]

Thanks.  The finish is impeccable. Like no cheap obvious join points on any of the angled edges.  

[sir sanders zingmore]

@Ilya Liss

[Ayrton]

Just to help give people some sense of the value you are getting with these speakers, I would ask you this question.

 

Let's say you have a choice of say 2 speakers.

 

One is older, sells for slightly more, has just 2 drivers, the larger of which is tiny, and has a Sensitivity 9dB lower, which is like comparing a Corrolla to an F1 car, OR

 

The 'cheaper' speaker, has the highest sensitivity one can buy in a non-horn speaker of 95dB, has 5 different drivers to more effectively cover the frequency ranges and reduce 'holes', including 2x12" woofers, and would no doubt be equally well made as the more expensive speaker.  Of course quantity doesn't trump quality, but when you have both...OMG!

 

The choice is embarassingly easy.  Put the 2 side-by-side and run the full set of speaker tests using something like this:

https://www.klippel.de/products/rd-system/modules/nfs-near-field-scanner.html

And I'm confident the outcome would be completely obvious. 

 

Something you will almost NEVER see on an official review site, is QUANTIFIED measurements. 

Many manufactuers would never allow it, because it will show the warts and all of their utterly poor speaker performance.  Sadly, it is generally just too complex to arrange for most speakers. 

 

I would argue that the standardised information MUST be supplied to potential buyers as part of consumer law.  This would prevent the OBSCENE rip-off that is no doubt a plague in itself in the industry.  We have already seen this with reviews of many name brands being tested on www.audiosciencereview.com.  

[Luc]

On 01/12/2020 at 6:08 PM, Ayrton said:

Only a few years old

 

 

How old?  Are you the original owner or have they been through a few hands?

 

No need to answer the second Q if you don't want too but what year were these manufactured?

[Ayrton]

@Luc  Purchased April 2014.   Original owner.  The badge on the back of the speakers only contains the serial number, not date of build.  But it would be very close to 2014 since these speakers are the 2nd latest iteration to my understanding. With the latest update having very minor changes to the ribbon tweeter. You can see it by comparing my photo to the ones on their website.  

[Pim]

I heard these at a dealer years ago. It was the very first time I heard a proper sound stage and it had me scratching my head. Great sounding speaker, even at the 'as new' price.

[Ayrton]

Hello Everyone.

 

For all those people who are interested in buying, I have just found these 2 YouTube videos, where a Legacy Focus SE owner has uploaded 2 songs being played through his speakers. 

 

It is suggested you listen through a good set of headphones to get a better sense.  And if you happen to have an external DAC/AMP connected to your PC, then all the better to get a more accurate listen. 

 

The songs aren't really my kind of thing, but they have their moments in terms of getting a sense of the sound. I'm more a TENET soundtrack kind of guy   4x12" woofers does wonder for that.  Although I've never really remotely explored the full potential of the speakers.  I think the police would come knokcing if I did  LOL.  A buyer could almost consider the speakers have barely left 'idle speed' most of the time.  

 

 

 

 

[Ayrton]

@Pim  One of the factors that makes these speakers a good 'safe' buy, is that they have been around for a very long time. They have a history.  They are extremely well developed.  Lots of time to iron out any kinks so to speak.  So the risk of buying a dud is basically zero.  If they were junk or below par, they would have ceased production a long time ago, due to lack of sales.  The builder is extremely well regarded in the industry. 

 

I think for the buyer, it is more about whether the sound is something that appeals to them,  and does it visually appeal and fit into their particualr environment.  There's really no question of the quality of sound, their capabiity, or the quality of the build.   Otherwise who on earth would pay $23K for them new? LOL

 

Ideally, the buyer would power these speakers with 4 mono block amps.  Powering the 12" woofers separately from the other speakers. 

[buddyev]

On 02/12/2020 at 6:22 PM, Ayrton said:

 

And I'm confident the outcome would be completely obvious. 

 

Something you will almost NEVER see on an official review site, is QUANTIFIED measurements. 

Can you point me to those measurements - I couldn’t see them. 

[Ayrton]

Hi Buddyev   There are no measurements for this speaker, and almsot no other speaker at high level, that I am aware of, by the equipment and software that I referenced.  I think this testing software is relatively new, and somewhat complex.  I gave you the website where I found a single person applying it randomly to equipment sent to them (see below).  I think there were one or two high level speakers tested, but cetainly not the Legacy Focus SE. Someone would have to buy them, then send them to this person for testing.  I would love to see what it produced.  Of course we can do a cheap version of it by using something like DIRAC to test where our speakers have flat spots, but its nowhere near as detailed.

Just for learning, I would suggest you have a look at the site below and learn a bit more about it.  

 

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?reviews/

 

And here's a link to one of the few high end speakers it has so far tested:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/revel-f328be-speaker-review.17443/

They only cost $32,000 AUD here in Australia  LOL   

 

Just imagine if every speaker sold retail, had to come with such a detailed report.  

Sadly, it will never happen as long as we have politicians filling the jobs of politicians.  

 

[Eggmeister]

I believe there are some measurements here.

 

https://www.translatetheweb.com/?ref=TVert&from=&to=en&a=https://audio.com.pl/testy/stereo/zespoly-glosnikowe/3113-legacy-audio-focus-se#

 

 

[Ayrton]

Well found Eggmeister, but at the same time, this highlights the problem.

It is just another of the relatively standard reviews, full of undefined waffle.

There are a ton a of speaker reviews like this one.

Good for general insight, but useless in every other respect. 

 

These reviews are a bit like watching various race cars go round a track, and you just use a stopwatch, and general obverservation as to which car might be better.   Clearly in an era of TECHNOLOGY, that would be considered an utter farce.  How many teams members do you think are sitting at computers when they have an F1 race?  A LOT.  

 

My point was that speaker reviews today should be run through a standardised test, which gives 100X the information than just a frequency response chart one might typically see, where these often aren't even done on a similar basis either.  

 

Anyway, probably  a discussion for a different thread, rather than a For Sale add.