Andre28 116 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Now i know there is no replacement for displacement, but unfortunately I need a smaller sub (and my current one is only a 40cm cube approx - the Aslan CW12. I am looking at something closer to 30cm cube. The best sub I can find in that range is the Sunfire xteq10 https://www.apollohifi.com.au/sunfire-xteq10-2700w-twin-10-inch-active-subwoofer.html Its a tiny 10 inch active + 10 inch passive radiator coming in around 28cm cubed. Are there any better options worth considering? This option is already top of my price range though. Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy8 3,559 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Did search for compact subwoofers and looked for Australian retailers. Maybe one of these? https://www.pacifichifi.com.au/products/polkaudio-subwoofers-psw-111 https://avaustralia.com.au/definitive-technology-supercube-4000-8-high-performance-powered-subwoofer/ https://www.digitalcinema.com.au/niles-sw6-5-6-5-inch-powered-subwoofer.html https://avaustralia.com.au/paradigm-cinema-sub-8-100w-subwoofer/ Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 Cheers, will check these out. Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 After researching the above, I think I still want to go with a 10 inch minimum. Anyone have any experience with the sunfire HRS-12 vs the XTEQ10? Link to post Share on other sites
almikel 1,629 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 the size/volume (litres/mm^3) of the box doesn't relate well to the capability of a sub. A sub's capability relates to the SPL required at your target frequency, and whether you have enough driver excursion and amp power to hit that target. Smaller boxes = more power required Smaller drivers = more excursion required The same driver will have the same excursion in different sized boxes if matched to the same SPL, just different power required to get there... ...all things being equal, go for bigger drivers - they won't require as much excursion to hit the same SPL. Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 Thank you. Yes for the same price as the XTEQ10 I could get the SVS SB3000 which would be ideal, unfortunately that is at least as big as the sub I already have, and need to physically downsize. The sunfire does claim really huge peak power. Not sure how accurate it is, but it should at least be fairly powerful. Good to know with the right power and excursion it is at least possible that it does what it claims! Link to post Share on other sites
petetherock 1,323 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 I'll put my hand up for the JL Audio E110.. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 I did see that, unfortunately still too deep at nearly 42cm, need it in the low 30s max (the xqe10 is around 29cm i believe). Link to post Share on other sites
Mat-with-one-t 1,304 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) I have an M8audio sub one 10. It's bloody amazing, beautiful to look at, and compact. Not sure if it's still small enough for you? https://m8audio.com/product/sub-oneten/ Edited November 30, 2020 by Mat-with-one-t 1 Link to post Share on other sites
niterida 252 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 With that size requirement I think the Sunfire is going to be your best bet. I have never heard one but from my research a few years ago they seem to be well reviewed/respected and give impressive SPL for their diminutive size. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, niterida said: With that size requirement I think the Sunfire is going to be your best bet. I have never heard one but from my research a few years ago they seem to be well reviewed/respected and give impressive SPL for their diminutive size. I have found mixed reviews, generally the consensus seems to be you can get better performance and a cheaper price from a bigger unit, but of course the price premium is in the size. For the size, as you said, its likely to be the best option i am finding. All the hifi dealers seem to recommend them, not sure if that is a good or bad thing 😂 Edited November 30, 2020 by Andre28 Link to post Share on other sites
Satanica 1,573 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Paradigm Seismic 110 is worth considering. https://www.paradigm.com/en/sealed/seismic-110 https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/speaker/subwoofers/paradigm-reference-seismic-110-subwoofer/ Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Satanica said: Paradigm Seismic 110 is worth considering. https://www.paradigm.com/en/sealed/seismic-110 https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/speaker/subwoofers/paradigm-reference-seismic-110-subwoofer/ ooh good one, was wondering if this was any good. Will definitely have to check it out. Link to post Share on other sites
JT1 30 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) REL T5i, T7i or T9i is surprisingly small. Is the T5i the right size for what you’re looking at? I am amazed by what they can do with such a small box. I have a JTR Captivator in the other room. Edited December 1, 2020 by JT1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
warweary 686 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I have a pair of Vaf SW2 which are about 30 cm cubed, they're sealed and sound unobtrusive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy8 3,559 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Your answer @Andre28 is the Kef KC62! https://international.kef.com/products/kc62-subwoofer 246 x 256 x 248 mm Driver Unit: 2 x 6.5” Frequency Response: 11Hz – 200Hz Max SPL: 105 dB Link to post Share on other sites
Ray H 694 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 8 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: Your answer @Andre28 is the Kef KC62! https://international.kef.com/products/kc62-subwoofer 246 x 256 x 248 mm Driver Unit: 2 x 6.5” Frequency Response: 11Hz – 200Hz Max SPL: 105 dB Geez, 11hz out of 2 x 6.5 in woofers, that’s some digital trickery ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jamiebosco 344 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Ray H said: Geez, 11hz out of 2 x 6.5 in woofers, that’s some digital trickery ! More like "marketing" trickery 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy8 3,559 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 6 hours ago, Ray H said: Geez, 11hz out of 2 x 6.5 in woofers, that’s some digital trickery ! 5 hours ago, jamiebosco said: More like "marketing" trickery The bigger KF92, released 6 months ago had similar frequency response. What HIFI tested it and their results were not that far off https://www.whathifi.com/au/reviews/kef-kf92 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted January 21 Author Share Posted January 21 (edited) Dont know if I could buy a sub with drivers barely bigger than my bookshelves. The KF92 seems great, still pretty small drivers at 9", but also its out of my budget. I think I will just wait to find a great deal on the XTEQ10, which has 10" drivers, and is the smallest of the bunch (other than this new KEF62) Edited January 21 by Andre28 Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy8 3,559 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 57 minutes ago, Andre28 said: Dont know if I could buy a sub with drivers barely bigger than my bookshelves. The KF92 seems great, still pretty small drivers at 9", but also its out of my budget. I think I will just wait to find a great deal on the XTEQ10, which has 10" drivers, and is the smallest of the bunch (other than this new KEF62) So anything bigger = better ??? I think you have missed the advantage of the design with horizontally opposed drivers. I used to own Devialet Phantom Golds with a similar geometry, about the same size. Nothing out there could match the bass nor go louder.... Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 (edited) I mean with subs, usually bigger = better, yes. Not saying all big subwoofers are better than all small subwoofers, of course quality (and therefore cost) plays a part, but just compare any subs in the same line, like this Kef62 compared to the kef92, and bigger = better. Edited January 22 by Andre28 Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy8 3,559 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 When I mentioned "bigger is better", it was in reference to your perception that a bigger driver is better irrespective of technology. It is, of course, "bigger is better" when you compare the KF92 and the KC62. Best of luck in your search... Link to post Share on other sites
Andre28 116 Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 No of course technology and quality plays a part. Maybe its just mental, but I just dont see any 6.5" sub being fulfilling enough for my HT duties, like it would have to be more than a revolutionary product. Link to post Share on other sites
jamiebosco 344 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Snoopy8 said: The bigger KF92, released 6 months ago had similar frequency response. What HIFI tested it and their results were not that far off https://www.whathifi.com/au/reviews/kef-kf92 I'm definitely not saying it's a bad subwoofer,they've really maximized what they can do in such a small sealed box --- but on Kef's website they claim a -3dB down point of 11Hz on both the KF92 (dual 9") and KC62 (dual 6.5"). A -3dB point of a subwoofer is usually (or should be ) an anechoic or 2m groundplane measurement, as room gain and boundary gain can add significantly to the bottom octaves - and as all rooms vary greatly - it makes in-room rating a bit useless/pointless (unless you're in the exact room it was taken in) yet when Newport Test Labs measured the larger KF92 , they measured it to be 12dB down by 10Hz - and that is an in-room measurement - When they did an Anechoic measurement it looks to be closer to -18dB down by 10Hz - this is a pretty far cry from the claimed -3dB @ 11Hz - and that's the larger KF92 with a 40% larger cabinet and nearly double the cone area of the KC62. Again..they look like fine subs, especially if size and aesthetics are of primary concern, I just wish it was rated correctly by the manufacturer . From ~18Hz to 200Hz it looks very very good 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy8 3,559 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 44 minutes ago, jamiebosco said: Again..they look like fine subs, especially if size and aesthetics are of primary concern, I just wish it was rated correctly by the manufacturer . From ~18Hz to 200Hz it looks very very good Thank you for the posts, especially the measurements. Kef won't be the first, nor last vendor, to exaggerate things. Agree that they should have said 18 to 200. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ray H 694 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yeah why gild the Lilly, 18 hz is pretty respectable. Will be interesting to see what the smaller version can actually do, it’s truly tiny for a sub. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
deafenears 79 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Cubed ones: SVS SB1000 - 345(H) x 330(W) x 355(D) Rythmik L12 (might be a little too big?) - 355(H) x 355(W) x 393(D) Slim rectangular: Sigberg Audio INKOGNITO 12 - 170(H) x 540(W) x 650(D) Sigberg Audio INKOGNITO 10 - 155(H) x 540(W) x 650(D) Paradigm MilleniaSub - 356(H) x 467(W) x 149(D) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts