Bengineer Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 Biggest problem is the demo. The "DJ" stores only ones that stock them in Brisbane, and I've been there. It's a wall of monitors all hooked to the same source, background hiss ("yeah that's normal man") and zero calibration, and store music pumping in background too. LS50W II will have a proper setup in a hifi store, that should be fine. But the monitors, yeah, unlikely to properly demo them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand129678 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bengineer said: Biggest problem is the demo. The "DJ" stores only ones that stock them in Brisbane, and I've been there. It's a wall of monitors all hooked to the same source, background hiss ("yeah that's normal man") and zero calibration, and store music pumping in background too. Ha, sounds exactly like the DJ store I went to in NSW. Made me chuckle reading that. You kind of need to call them before and ask them to set them up a bit better, with a decent interface (say a Focusrite Scarlett) and take your phone or laptop in as the USB source. If you tell them you're serious they will do it. Otherwise yep it's just the infamous 'wall of sound' haha 7 minutes ago, Bengineer said: LS50W II will have a proper setup in a hifi store, that should be fine. But the monitors, yeah, unlikely to properly demo them. Agreed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Brix Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I've not heard any Genelecs but IMO the ADAM A7X have a very natural non-fatiguing presentation and decent bass weight and texture. This was obvious even in the non-favourable "wall of monitors" environment and borne out when a good mate purchased as his 'main rig' speakers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Brix Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) I was going to add, the demo i partook in was also a Store DJ outlet!! (in Perth) Edited November 15, 2020 by 2Brix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand129678 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 @Bengineer You could email these guys and ask if you can home demo a pair of demo Genelecs, and say you will cover the shipping each way, https://online.tm-systems.com.au If they agree, can't get better than home demo ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 Might even try a less mainstream store here in Brisbane. At least for the Genelecs. Good idea! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proftournesol Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Bengineer said: @rand129678 Any experience with; Dynauio Lyd 5 or 7 Adam A5x HEDD 05 Neumann KH80 I listened to the ADAMs, I like them, I have 2 pairs of ADAMs already, the AE1s were equivalent in quality, voiced slightly warmer and slightly more resolution. I bought the AE1s for a change, I would have been happy with the ADAMs. My wife preferred the higher WAF AE1s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand129678 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, proftournesol said: the AE1s were equivalent in quality, voiced slightly warmer and slightly more resolution. Really nice speakers those. Great price too: https://a1futureshop.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1396 Edited November 15, 2020 by rand129678 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 Says they are stand mount. How would they honestly go as nearfields? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand129678 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) I've been keen on this German engineering but don't know if anyone sells locally. https://www.nubert.de/nupro-x-3000-rc/p3349/?category=6 Interesting read on their design/technology: https://6moons.com/audioreviews/nubert4/1.html Edited November 15, 2020 by rand129678 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) They look cool! Apparently somewhere on Gold Coast has the PSI monitors. Fair drive to hear a speaker though. Edited November 15, 2020 by Bengineer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proftournesol Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 10 hours ago, Bengineer said: Says they are stand mount. How would they honestly go as nearfields? Honestly, they are very good. I put them in my main system in place of my ADAMs (see my system below), they were rather overwhelmed by the size of the room, and of course, couldn't compete directly with 750W a channel 3 ways with Heil drivers, but judged on their own merits, were very good. They work far better for me as near-fields, and that's why I bought them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand129678 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Dual concentric Tannoys. I've never heard these. https://www.soundseasy.com.au/products/tannoy-gold-7-premium-300-watt-bi-amplified-near-field-studio-reference-monitor-with-6-5-dual-concentric-driver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray H Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I have a somewhat contrary view as to which speakers can be used for near field and desk top listening. I think the critical factors are twofold; The first imo is how well (seamless) the drivers and the crossover are integrated. Ie do they sound as a whole from say 1 metre. Quite a few unusual speakers both passive and active achieve this. Some really great speakers I have owned that achieve this are Acoustic energy Pro sat and AE22’s, Elac BS312, Dynaudio C1’s, Harbeth 30.1’s and Kii 3’s. So in other words don’t necessarily discount speakers that aren’t specifically marketed as near field. Move up close to a range of speakers and you will note which ones are well integrated vs those which aren’t for nearfield application. Second is how the bass reacts to boundaries. This can be harder to test obviously as most shops won’t have them on a desktop. But audition aside, I think obviously avoiding rear ported is potentially more beneficial, the second factor is one that has already been mentioned and that is stands, which can help control bass output. The two really good stands are the isoacoustics aperta’s and even better IMO are the Ionforge, mainly because they are completely adjustable for tilt. They are as well made as the aperta also imo; https://www.ionforgeonline.com/Pro-Series-Desktop-Speaker-Stands I have attached a pic of how close I listen to my Kii’s, and the main reason it works is driver integration imo. From the pro actives, I think the Adam’s are a pretty good option. I like ribbon tweeters at close range as they can be more diffuse and immersive as long as they mate to the cone driver seamlessly. Good luck with it, I think the master twelve is a fantastic starting point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eLicky Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 For me it comes down to my room dimensions and environment, there's no point in me spending thousands on some near field monitors because how my computer desks setup creates quite a lot of bass reflection off the rear wall, no way I can shift it around either. The iLoud micro monitors were nice and what's the point when they don't sound flat due to the room postioning. Atm, I use some Pioneer DM40 and actually get a somewhat flatter cleaner response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 D.S.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eLicky Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Bengineer said: D.S.P Yeh, I could EQ them but prefer not too. especially in the $$$$ realm, the room creates a terrible midbass bloat at anything higher than 40% volume. Give me an instant headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Where I dwell the pinnicles are obscured above the clouds. A few years ago I auditioned desktop speakers at a more modest level and was most impressed by the Neumann KH120: small footprint, satisfyingly solid design and build, excellent clear, neutral sound. But I ended up with JBL LSR305 because they were good enough for my purposes and great value. Edited November 17, 2020 by Monty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyW Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I've found small open baffles give wonderful results. You do need a separate sub for real bass though I tend not to miss it as I only use for my office and bedroom systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ewok209 said: Yeh, I could EQ them but prefer not too. especially in the $$$$ realm, the room creates a terrible midbass bloat at anything higher than 40% volume. Give me an instant headache. More meaning the higher end monitors with built in room correction. Their whole existence is to sound their best in any environment. DSP and EQ not a bad thing, especially for speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2468 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I am getting a pair of Bowers & Wilkins B&W Formation Duo for my desk with a dual computer monitor setup. I am a bit worried they are too large and putting them on stands behind the desk will look ostentatious (I receive clients in my office). Anybody tried this before? Christoph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 At least they are pretty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris2468 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I will find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand129678 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/neumann-kh420-vs-genelec-8361a.17621/post-572985 Those are subs that each 8351 is sitting on... Talk about a full range, studio quality, stereo, nearfield setup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengineer Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Current leanings; Genelec 8330A KEF LS50W The Genelec has its own excellent DSP setup. The rear ported KEF I would have to EQ by ear, but they are coaxial and have a lot of tech built in. Not sure what else I should put on short list. There is a chance I could listen the these two, many others have no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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