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On 13/11/2020 at 4:24 PM, unclemack said:

Yeah. But that’s ok isn’t it? As long as it can still make beautiful music. The rest we’ll call “character”. 

Yep totally fine, I had an SNA member call past on Friday. He said I was being fussy 😁, it has come up very nice.

Im sure it’ll make sweet music 🎶.

It’s going to be called “ Resurrection” I’m getting a plaque fabricated to go on the front of the plinth. It will look pretty sweet and also cover the bad scratch.

 

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The belts have arrived but I can’t seem to get the speed bang on. I think that it may be a 50hz pulley, maybe it wasn’t used with an SDS before. The SDS puts out 60hz, will wait for the new 300rpm mot

It’s Alive.  😃😃😃😃😃😃😃 Ive finally got it to the stage where I can play some tunes today. The new motor arrived last night and I’ve wired it up. There was a noise in the motor but I seemed to have

First real clean up and polish. I will remove the corner posts next to polish them properly. Has come up better than expected.

20 minutes ago, Telecine said:

These might work as plugs for the pulley holes and they are the right price:

 

https://www.bunnings.com.au/tic-25mm-black-round-plastic-internal-chair-tip-4-piece_p4050096

 

Thanks mate I’ll have a look. I meant to do that on the weekend when I was there but forgot all about it.

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Such a cool find, and great work so far to get it cleaned up. IMO, I’d try and find a solution to replace the pulleys. Spreading the belt force across the three points means that the platter will spin centrally...Arthur K’s insight on the original Pink Triangles, and now more recently in the Funk LSD and Grande. His view is that the microscopic play in the bearing creates minute distortions at the stylus,given that it’s trying to track miniscule variations in the groove. The play arises from a belt pulling against a platter if you have a single point for the driving force. Because it’s so difficult to get multiple motors to spin at precisely the same speed, he advocates the use of the two slave pulleys.

 

I run a funk LSD nowadays and have found the sound quality from the pulley system to be truly awesome...

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So have had a few items turn up, getting closer now.

I have been in contact with Harry from VPI and he has found three of the pulleys and is going to send them over to me. He actually advises as others have to not use the tri pulley setup and to use a 300rpm motor with HRX pulley and single belt.

I have tested the motor today when the SDS arrived and it works. I’m just waiting for some belts to come and then can test speed. Hopefully the arm arrives next week.

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It’s been like Christmas. 😃

Another package arrived today with my arm and base. It’s a JMW 10.5 with VTA on the fly base. Will definitely look the part, getting used to the unipivot might take a little time.

Ive also got the armboard getting fabricated this week, hopefully pickup on Friday. Ive also been in contact with Jason “The Turntable Doctor” and he is going to do the setup for me. I’m still waiting on the other parts so I can fabricate the feet, hopefully not too far away.

Happy days. 😃🎉😃🎉😃🎉

 

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Another couple of pieces to the puzzle I picked up today. A big shout out to @Bisguittin for helping me with the files and PCI Laser cutting for the cutting and engraving. Fast turn around time, great price and very helpful plus did an amazing job.

I need to laminate the armboard pieces together but I have sourced some 20mm which I’m going to get cut and etched as well. You never know if I want to change arms in the future.

Very close now. 😁07C35F77-714B-4287-8FD2-ECF52EB6F44B.jpeg.b629c9937ad29eb2c8696c565af2d082.jpeg809F5E53-2E96-4FF8-87D4-A0B9DD4A104A.jpeg.c209a623727dd2710505854a24f112ad.jpegA0C5ED3C-099A-43F4-8B53-E787BE794A01.jpeg.6e58b971839db4e1604c4c9a57b9eb17.jpegD2B69FC2-EFB9-4190-A85B-750F20D0BEC3.jpeg.8361ebe35ff762097c15d724b39fd92b.jpeg

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So I’m still waiting on some belts to arrive, ordered on the 1st of December.

The feet that I ordered have arrived but I’m not happy with them so have just sourced some other feet and I’m going to pull the welder out and fab something to make them work.

I have started on a base for the TNT to sit on . I have used some floorboards I had and laminated them to some mdf with a layer of wavebar in between. Solid jarrah edging all round. Definitely not perfect but it will do the trick. 👍

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The belts have arrived but I can’t seem to get the speed bang on. I think that it may be a 50hz pulley, maybe it wasn’t used with an SDS before. The SDS puts out 60hz, will wait for the new 300rpm motor and pulley to arrive. 
I have temporarily set it up on the base that I’ve made. She is certainly a beast. Will look good when I’ve finished the feet.

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1st armboard drilled and tapped for fixing to the table and holes drilled for JMW arm. Hopefully I’ve got them right. 😃

The acrylic was a lot easier to drill and tap than I thought.

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Finished the feet this weekend. Have come out ok, to be honest I’m not really happy with the finish but was really over it. Functionally they work really well.

I cut down some steel tube and welded a bottom on so I could then fix them to the threaded feet. I then filled the tube with resin to hopefully stop resonance and used some bushes to locate the springs. The springs are genuine from a TNT.

I have also fixed the tonearm base off and have begun setup of the arm and cartridge I’m just waiting on the alignment jig to complete.

Also still waiting on the new motor and pulley to arrive. It’s very close now.

 

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@Pops110 As this TT has evolved from rubbish tip condition to just like brand new, really glad to see this TT was found and picked up by you. It's exactly what OP titled "a stray followed me  home"👍

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23 minutes ago, vinilink said:

@Pops110 As this TT has evolved from rubbish tip condition to just like brand new, really glad to see this TT was found and picked up by you. It's exactly what OP titled "a stray followed me  home"👍

Thanks mate, can’t wait to fire it up. It has come up a hundred times better than I thought it was going to when I first got it.

 

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@Pops110 Love the feet and what you've achieved to date with the rebuild is totally awesome. As you know I have the same conundrum; no elephant feet for my TNT but the spring suspensions are there. Can you share more details on the feet assembly and how you managed to get them at 3" diameter. Also, are they rubber or metal cone-shaped feet?

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I picked the feet up fromRichmond Wheel and Castor. They are 80mm with m12 thread anti vibration/ slip rubber feet.

I cut the thread down to suit. I had some 48mm steel tube laying around at home, cut that down to correct height and welded on 5mm plate, drilled a hole in the bottom to get over the bottom nut on the feet and used washers and a nut to fix them. Lots of grinding and linishing and then spray putty bog and paint to finish it off.

 

https://www.richmondau.com/product/levelr-fixed-foot-mild-steel-lvr8012100f-2/

 

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This is hi-end stuff you're producing here Dave. It's a real credit to you because you've got to be across such a huge number of different things. Your dissatisfaction with some aspects of the feet, are something 100% of the rest of us will never pick up. I confidently expect this creature will produce some  exceptional music when it's ready to spin.

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12 hours ago, Bisguittin said:

This is hi-end stuff you're producing here Dave. It's a real credit to you because you've got to be across such a huge number of different things. Your dissatisfaction with some aspects of the feet, are something 100% of the rest of us will never pick up. I confidently expect this creature will produce some  exceptional music when it's ready to spin.

Thanks mate, you are right. Most people wouldn’t notice the imperfections and most aren’t seen. But I had a plan in my head for the feet and I got the shites on when it wasn’t working as planned. In the end I rushed things so not completely happy with them but I’m very happy overall with how it’s turned out. I also couldn’t have got it to where it is without your help.

The armboards have come up amazing and really make the table look like new. Setting up the uni pivot arm seemed a bit daunting but I think I’ve got my head around it and shouldn’t be too far away till I can give it its first run.

1 hour ago, xlr8or said:

@Pops110 I'll take your prototypes and you can build yourself another quad set. 🤣🤣🤣

Let me have a think about it mate.😃

I would love to help you but I’m not sure I’m up to making some more just yet. I do have some ideas to make things easier though. 

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Hey Pops, may I ask where you picked up the older SDS from? The earlier one is better built than the current version. 
 

Great work to date on the VPI.  

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2 hours ago, muzzagruzz said:

Hey Pops, may I ask where you picked up the older SDS from? The earlier one is better built than the current version. 
 

Great work to date on the VPI.  

Thank you sir.

I got the SDS from VAS Audio in the US. Steven was very helpful and shipping was very quick and it was very well boxed.

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24 minutes ago, Pops110 said:

Thank you sir.

I got the SDS from VAS Audio in the US. Steven was very helpful and shipping was very quick and it was very well boxed.

Thanks for that mate, I will check them out. I’d like one for my Prime. 

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It’s Alive.  😃😃😃😃😃😃😃

Ive finally got it to the stage where I can play some tunes today. The new motor arrived last night and I’ve wired it up. There was a noise in the motor but I seemed to have got rid of that.

The latest problem was it didn’t arrive with a pulley. So no tunes last night. 😢

I have bodged something up with my existing pulley so I could get some tunes flowing. It’s not ideal but it’s working enough until I get the new pulley.

Table now needs another clean and it’s done, lots of grubby fingerprints on it at the moment.

A big thanks to everyone who has helped and  offered advice along the way. It’s been a great journey so far. If there are any local TT gurus keen to pop in for a look and listen and hopefully offer some advice send me a pm. 👍BCE63AF1-D14F-42A1-BD30-917FD99B657C.jpeg.27546e521c8a0d3d5c6da11ee786609c.jpeg7312E2F0-8E4C-4E7A-8F93-F7BF87183029.jpeg.52677be51e04f239303431b7364cc626.jpeg34ED7EBD-FDE3-406E-A49B-B0980EF3A7E0.jpeg.539c907aad5cfdba816852b690d3016c.jpeg

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1 hour ago, Pops110 said:

It’s Alive.  😃😃😃😃😃😃😃

Ive finally got it to the stage where I can play some tunes today. The new motor arrived last night and I’ve wired it up. There was a noise in the motor but I seemed to have got rid of that.

The latest problem was it didn’t arrive with a pulley. So no tunes last night. 😢

I have bodged something up with my existing pulley so I could get some tunes flowing. It’s not ideal but it’s working enough until I get the new pulley.

Table now needs another clean and it’s done, lots of grubby fingerprints on it at the moment.

A big thanks to everyone who has helped and  offered advice along the way. It’s been a great journey so far. If there are any local TT gurus keen to pop in for a look and listen and hopefully offer some advice send me a pm. 👍BCE63AF1-D14F-42A1-BD30-917FD99B657C.jpeg.27546e521c8a0d3d5c6da11ee786609c.jpeg7312E2F0-8E4C-4E7A-8F93-F7BF87183029.jpeg.52677be51e04f239303431b7364cc626.jpeg34ED7EBD-FDE3-406E-A49B-B0980EF3A7E0.jpeg.539c907aad5cfdba816852b690d3016c.jpeg

Looking good! Why is the motor so far away from the plinth?

Either the belt is to long or it’s going to be super tight

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1 hour ago, Pops110 said:

It’s Alive.  😃😃😃😃😃😃😃

Ive finally got it to the stage where I can play some tunes today. The new motor arrived last night and I’ve wired it up. There was a noise in the motor but I seemed to have got rid of that.

The latest problem was it didn’t arrive with a pulley. So no tunes last night. 😢

I have bodged something up with my existing pulley so I could get some tunes flowing. It’s not ideal but it’s working enough until I get the new pulley.

Table now needs another clean and it’s done, lots of grubby fingerprints on it at the moment.

A big thanks to everyone who has helped and  offered advice along the way. It’s been a great journey so far. If there are any local TT gurus keen to pop in for a look and listen and hopefully offer some advice send me a pm. 👍BCE63AF1-D14F-42A1-BD30-917FD99B657C.jpeg.27546e521c8a0d3d5c6da11ee786609c.jpeg7312E2F0-8E4C-4E7A-8F93-F7BF87183029.jpeg.52677be51e04f239303431b7364cc626.jpeg34ED7EBD-FDE3-406E-A49B-B0980EF3A7E0.jpeg.539c907aad5cfdba816852b690d3016c.jpeg

What a fantastic result so far Pops. I'm sooo envious 😁

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21 minutes ago, Gryffles said:

Looking good! Why is the motor so far away from the plinth?

Either the belt is to long or it’s going to be super tight

You’re right it is a little far away. As you can see my work around for the pulley is not ideal so had to make it a little tighter.

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1 minute ago, Pops110 said:

You’re right it is a little far away. As you can see my work around for the pulley is not ideal so had to make it a little tighter.

Got ya 👍

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I ran a bath for the missus yesterday arvo and put on a few albums that we both like.

Laura Marling - Alas I cannot swim

Norah Jones - Feels like home.

 

She got out and thanked me and said it was sounding lovely. 😁 Then she sat down for another album.

Happy days when the boss is happy. 👍

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16 minutes ago, Pops110 said:

Happy days when the boss is happy. 👍

You got that right brother 🤟👍

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Thanks mate, I am fairly happy. I’m picking up a bit of noise, not sure if crap pressings, static or setup?

It is sounding quite balanced, separation is good and it seems to have presence that my streaming doesn’t seem to. Scale of music is very good.

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30 minutes ago, Pops110 said:

Thanks mate, I am fairly happy. I’m picking up a bit of noise, not sure if crap pressings, static or setup?

It is sounding quite balanced, separation is good and it seems to have presence that my streaming doesn’t seem to. Scale of music is very good.

Depends on what type of noise?

It will be a bit of a learning curve but plenty of info and help available here.

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Quite a lot of crackles and I suppose what you would call surface noise.

Most of the records I have played are new. I have cleaned them with a cheap record cleaner and have been using an AT sonic broom before each play.

Yep bit of a learning curve for sure but it’s been fun. Never, ever would I have imagined that I would own a TT of this caliber and one that is such a beast. I really love the look and style of it.

 

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