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2 minutes ago, muon* said:

Purchasing a key is not purchasing a software license.

 

yes it is, as mentioned on their web site

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The products sold on ‘Gamers-Outlet’ are original keys scanned from the physical product itself and you will be the first and only one to have it. If the product is not valid or is defective a replacement will be issued only after our team verifies the error, we can take up to 48 hours to have a solution.

just because you don't own that retail box or medium doesn't mean you don't own the license, you'll get a scan of COA label to your email with confirmation about payment...on some sites you find that COA label under your account profile...

I bought like this 6x win 10 Pro keys within last couple of years + some office, visio and other sw and never had any trouble with either seller or MS, all my sw is registered under my MS account and becomes my digital license, all at the same time linked with hw it's running on

 

MS is in the same situation like any other sw company (at least here in EU), in 2012 and once again confirmed in 2016 by EU court of justice that it's completely legal to resell sw products which has been once sold freely and for any price, as of than all these online resellers started to operate and this is the outcome, so again do I care? it's fight between MS and their resellers and their resellers what will be the final price for end customer...

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Hi all, As a way of giving back to the community, I am happy to provide free advice for anyone wishing to build PCs whether it's for gaming, audio and whatnot. I have built hundreds of PCs and

Wish I was close by, I'd build it for you.   Mine and the flatmate's I built recently, well they were rebuilds....new motherboards, CPU's, RAM and M2 SSD's.      

I know this is just games but seems to be pretty similar with all tasks. Few other comparison vids on YouTube   

13 hours ago, kukynas said:

 

yes it is, as mentioned on their web site

just because you don't own that retail box or medium doesn't mean you don't own the license, you'll get a scan of COA label to your email with confirmation about payment...on some sites you find that COA label under your account profile...

I bought like this 6x win 10 Pro keys within last couple of years + some office, visio and other sw and never had any trouble with either seller or MS, all my sw is registered under my MS account and becomes my digital license, all at the same time linked with hw it's running on

 

MS is in the same situation like any other sw company (at least here in EU), in 2012 and once again confirmed in 2016 by EU court of justice that it's completely legal to resell sw products which has been once sold freely and for any price, as of than all these online resellers started to operate and this is the outcome, so again do I care? it's fight between MS and their resellers and their resellers what will be the final price for end customer...

OK, I can copy the key from someones label on their PC or laptop and then I now own that license :lol:

 

Yeah, I'd want to hear it from MS to believe it, not from the key seller.

 

Edit: this gives me a money making idea, and the only outlay is a portable hand scanner, or I could just use my phone camera :D

No...wait! this isn't the EU.

 

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_licensing/is-it-legal-to-use-windows-10-oem-key-on-a-custom/8de8fed4-1b7f-4f54-a2ef-0aa5e83b4fdf

 

https://www.thewindowsclub.com/is-it-legal-to-use-the-cheap-windows-10-keys-available-on-the-internet-do-they-work

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/392080/cheap-windows-10-keys-do-they-work/

 

Not hard to find out the truth.

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yes, not hard...

 

Press and Information (europa.eu)

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2016-10/cp160110en.pdf

How to check if my Windows Key is Genuine or Legit (thewindowsclub.com) 

 

all my keys are either OEM or Retail, activated and legit

and I think I've said enough, the rest is up to each individual comrade 😉

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The legality question of Windows key is murky and probably there are no easy answers. From what I understand the cheap OEM keys can be legit - meaning that they can enable win 10 to be activated. However activation does not mean the usage of the key is legal - that depends on whether the intended usage violates Windows software licence agreed terms of use. 

 

6:40 min mark: Linus explains the cheap OEM keys are not originally intended to be use for the North American or European markets (and that probably applies to the Australian market as well). Therefore using these cheap keys is technically against Microsoft's licence term.

 

4:40 min mark: Tech Deals argues here that since Microsoft did not 'region lock' their windows key, therefore the purchase and use of cheap keys to activate windows is perfectly legit.

 

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I agree, It's personal choice, I'm happy for others to give money to these dodgy low life's that sell keys, I chose not to.

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On 27/01/2021 at 10:31 PM, Jeddie said:

Hi all,

I'm in the market for a new desktop. Haven't bought a new one in > 10 years.

I found a site called 'Make My PC' > https://makemypc.com.au/

 

Anybody used them? Are they worthwhile? 

I personally wouldn't take up their services. If you're not keen on building it yourself, I can assist you since you're in Sydney. I am based around Macquarie Park and can help you fit the parts together etc

 

 

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Thanks so much @muon* @LHC and @minute for the advice so far.

About to order this one based on your feedback:  https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

I've upgarded the CPU (XT now back in stock) and the Kingston Hyper RAM as suggested.

 

Before I press 'go', can you have a look over and make sure I haven't done something stupid, or left out a cooler I'd need or something?

cheers

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1 hour ago, candyflip said:

Kingston Hyper RAM as suggested

Might want to check on that as the better ram has a stock frequency of 3200MHz and a price of $109. It is up to you if you wish to pay a little more.

 

Your selected case comes with two fans - I presume you ordered three additional case fans which is fine

 

The CPU comes with a stock cooler which is ok for the time being, but worth monitoring your temperature regularly. 

 

I see that your selected Samsung evo 870 drive is not showing in stock. So be aware of any attempt to bait and switch - make sure you get the parts you've ordered. 

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15 minutes ago, LHC said:

Might want to check on that as the better ram has a stock frequency of 3200MHz and a price of $109. It is up to you if you wish to pay a little more.

Ahh, saw that now - thanks, yes I will change.

 

Your selected case comes with two fans - I presume you ordered three additional case fans which is fine

Yes, as directed too.

 

The CPU comes with a stock cooler which is ok for the time being, but worth monitoring your temperature regularly. 

Got it.
Actually, thinking that the Intel i5-10600K is actually a far better performing CPU and so throwing that in the build mix now. Which might chnage a few choices further down....

 

I see that your selected Samsung evo 870 drive is not showing in stock. So be aware of any attempt to bait and switch - make sure you get the parts you've ordered. 

Yes, will change that out to one that's in stock.

 

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5 minutes ago, candyflip said:

Yes, will change that out to one that's in stock.

That Samsung 870 Evo was a great price, so be sure to check with them first that they are out of stock and unable to offer more at that price. A good alternative is the Kingston 1TB A2000

https://www.centrecom.com.au/kingston-1tb-a2000-sa2000m81000g-1tb-nvme-ssd

It costs $34 more but you have double the storage. 

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1 hour ago, candyflip said:

Got it.
Actually, thinking that the Intel i5-10600K is actually a far better performing CPU and so throwing that in the build mix now. Which might chnage a few choices further down...

Where did you hear that?

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The Intel CPU is a smidge faster in some single core stuff but the Ryzen is noticeably faster in general on multi core performance.

https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-10600k-vs-amd-ryzen-5-3600xt

 

EDIT: BTW, 2800mHz is the sweet spot with RAM, there is negligible performance benefit going higher, but if you can get lower latency timings with the faster RAM set at 2800mHz then that is beneficial. Or just get lower latency 2800mHz RAM.

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Need a different motherboard for Intel, make sure correct socket and that it fits in that case. The intel CPU has built in graphics so can do away with the graphics card, no cooler so get a competent suitable third party one.

 

CPU specs for the 10600K states memory as DDR-2666Mhz.

https://www.centrecom.com.au/intel-core-i5-10600k-41ghz-comet-lake-6-core-12-thread-processor-no-hsf-retail-box

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199311/intel-core-i5-10600k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html

 

 

If you stick with the Ryzen CPU go for 3000mHz ram with low latency, like this one https://www.centrecom.com.au/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2x8gb-3000mhz-ddr4-desktop-memory

 

 

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Just reloaded a old Win7pro pc had to go through the telephone activation to get it to work.

Activated no problems then, just for giggles seeing if it will upgrade to Win 10pro

 

Yes l have the sticker for win7pro.

 

Still have too much old pc parts here, even found  anew Win 95 unopened the other day.

 

regards Bruce

 

 

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46 minutes ago, sloper said:

Hah, Just loaded a activated win 10 pro

 

regards Bruce

 

I would have stuck with 7.

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2 hours ago, sloper said:

Hah, Just loaded a activated win 10 pro

 

regards Bruce

Yeah, Win 7 and Win 8/8.1 will still work.

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1 hour ago, LogicprObe said:

 

I would have stuck with 7.

Not sure what will happen in the long run for home users, but looks like Windows Cloud PC is happening for the  business environment now.

https://www.techradar.com/au/news/microsoft-drops-fresh-details-about-upcoming-windows-10-pc-as-a-service?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021&utm_content=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021+&utm_term=1623536&M_BT=1318185420156

Going to suck in the future I think.

 

There will be no Windows 11, as you would have gathered for a while now.

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Its a PC l will flip so 10 is better.

 

But lets face it Microsoft are slack.

 

regards Bruce

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The Intel v. the Ryzen kit.

 

The Ryzen CPU alone is a full $200 more exxy than the Intel, and with that cash I can get a second SSD installed, and still have $$'s leftover to upgrade elsewhere.

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205067

v.

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, candyflip said:

The Intel v. the Ryzen kit.

 

The Ryzen CPU alone is a full $200 more exxy than the Intel, and with that cash I can get a second SSD installed, and still have $$'s leftover to upgrade elsewhere.

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205067

v.

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

 

 

 

Ah so you have gone for a lower end i5 with the i5-9400 that's a downgrade for that savings.

 

That compassion previously with the Ryzen vs 10600K is no longer valid, you have gone down to 6 threads instead of 12 and down in clock speed too, and a smaller cache.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-10600K/m735306vs4072

 

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BTW @candyflip that asrock board is a AMD board, not an Intel board.

 

Also the upgrade path is not as good with the intel CPU's, and even worse with that i5-9400 as it uses the 1151 socket as opposed to the 1200 socket used with the i5-10600. Either way a bit of a dead end on CPu upgrades going Intel.

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58 minutes ago, candyflip said:

Thanks so much @muon* @LHC and @minute for the advice so far.

About to order this one based on your feedback:  https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

I've upgarded the CPU (XT now back in stock) and the Kingston Hyper RAM as suggested.

 

Before I press 'go', can you have a look over and make sure I haven't done something stupid, or left out a cooler I'd need or something?

cheers

 

Personally I would go the extra mile and go for a 5600 not the 3600xt or intel. The extra investment is worth it

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11 hours ago, muon* said:

Also the upgrade path is not as good with the intel CPU's, and even worse with that i5-9400 as it uses the 1151 socket as opposed to the 1200 socket used with the i5-10600. Either way a bit of a dead end on CPu upgrades going Intel.

 

Can you help me out with that bit?

I don't get why the Intel CPU's are not as easily upgradeable.

 

If I moved to the i5-10600K option here (https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205087) wouldn't it be easy to swap in a new chip if needed in a few years, as I could a Ryzen in another board?

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53 minutes ago, candyflip said:

 

Can you help me out with that bit?

I don't get why the Intel CPU's are not as easily upgradeable.

 

If I moved to the i5-10600K option here (https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205087) wouldn't it be easy to swap in a new chip if needed in a few years, as I could a Ryzen in another board?

CPU's have a specific socket type on the board, the i5-9400 uses and older one that is the 1151, the i5-10600 uses one specified as socket 1200. AMD currently use one called AM4.

AMD have been notable in not changing the socket type as much in recent times compared to Intel.

 

Of course there are other things that can stop us using a newer chip like main board chip set incompatibility, but that's another separate thing.

 

You can see the history of sockets and the cpu's they were compatible with here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket

 

 

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2 minutes ago, muon* said:

AMD have been notable in not changing the socket type as much in recent times compared to Intel.

 

 

Right, got it.

ta.

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In saying that, who knows where any of them go in the future from this point, need to keep up with industry news constantly to have an idea and I don't keep up these days.

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2 minutes ago, candyflip said:

This was VERY instructive this morning: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_3600xt_review,20.html 

 

At $319 now, the 3600 CPU is really damn good value then.

No need to overclock either (for me).

Yeah, the 3600XT would be good for your main use.

 

And where the AMD comparable motherboard chip sets are concerned you can see here what ones offer the best current upgrade compatibility, note that the latest 5000 series Ryzen CPU's are on top beating Intel's rivals.

https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/b550

 

So that board you did have picked out using a 550 chipset is a decent pick, without going all out for a board with a performance 570 chipset.

 

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That ram has low latency of 15-15-15-36 but at a lower bandwidth and not indicative of it a 3000mHz, so my mistake there.

 

Do go for better ram than what was originally picked by me, so go for 3000mHz or 3200mHz type. If it has a latency of cas16 It's a bonus.

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On 06/02/2021 at 8:25 PM, muon* said:

Not sure what will happen in the long run for home users, but looks like Windows Cloud PC is happening for the  business environment now.

https://www.techradar.com/au/news/microsoft-drops-fresh-details-about-upcoming-windows-10-pc-as-a-service?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021&utm_content=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021+&utm_term=1623536&M_BT=1318185420156

Going to suck in the future I think.

 

There will be no Windows 11, as you would have gathered for a while now.

 

This PC is Win 7 Ultimate and is still updating.

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1 hour ago, LogicprObe said:

 

This PC is Win 7 Ultimate and is still updating.

That's definitely the Ultimate Win 7 :D

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Just now, muon* said:

That's definitely the Ultimate Win 7 :D

 

I've got to admit...........it's pretty slow on the pantry fanless job........................but that's only Win 7 32 bit.

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7 minutes ago, LogicprObe said:

 

I've got to admit...........it's pretty slow on the pantry fanless job........................but that's only Win 7 32 bit.

Y'all are missing bits! 😁

 

Win 7 Home was still updating here and there before I moved from it a couple of months ago,  I think they are being nice in the lead up to sticking us with a sub' service system in the future ;)

 

Likely why they allowed the upgrades from 7 and 8 to 10 to continue.

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