Free advice - PC builds

[candyflip 3,852]

I think for me, it's probably a mix of pre-built and bought separate DIY install components.

 

So perhap buying a min spec case, min RAM, good power supply and motherboard pre-built, and then adding in a best-spec-for-money processor, GPU and extra RAM on top?

That way I can get the basic case & mobo design already hooked up and done, and then add the best of the plug-and-play I find on top of that base.

 

I might stretch the budget to $1K overall.

 

[Luc 10,250]

2 hours ago, candyflip said:

motherboard pre-built,

 

 

If your able to build a mobo by your self then my hat is off to you fella.

[muon* 2,985]

Putting a PC together is real easy these days, may kids do it It's that easy.

 

Just look at how to handle things, from the PCB edges and not touching chips or connector and circuitry and your fine.

 

Lots of videos like this show how to do so. (i haven't watched this one but I'm sure it's OK, just remember that if you are using a supplied Ryzen cpu cooler leave the brackets that come on the motherboard for CPU cooler in place.)

 

[LHC 2,160]

@candyflip

You could try this online tool to put together the parts to fit your budget. The tool could also highlight any known compatibility issues between chosen parts. 

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

 

[candyflip 3,852]

13 minutes ago, LHC said:

@candyflip

You could try this online tool to put together the parts to fit your budget. The tool could also highlight any known compatibility issues between chosen parts. 

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/

 

 

It's this highlghted bit I'm wary of - I know a lot of stuff is just plug-it-in these days, but it's the deep knowledge of putting the right compnents together that is the catch for those of us who don't do this every week.

 

Thanks.

[LHC 2,160]

$219 is not a bad price for a Ryzen 5 2600 - you still get 6 cores and 12 threads for video editing.

 

https://www.mwave.com.au/product/amd-ryzen-5-2600-6-core-socket-am4-34ghz-cpu-processor-wraith-stealth-cooler-ac12828

 

(Exercise caution when purchasing online, sometimes websites make mistakes in their product descriptions, I almost got caught recently. Always best practise to check the part number to be sure) 

[muon* 2,985]

Wish I was close by, I'd build it for you.

 

Mine and the flatmate's I built recently, well they were rebuilds....new motherboards, CPU's, RAM and M2 SSD's.

 

 

 

[LogicprObe 7,679]

17 minutes ago, muon* said:

Wish I was close by, I'd build it for you.

 

Mine and the flatmate's I built recently, well they were rebuilds....new motherboards, CPU's, RAM and M2 SSD's.

 

 

 

 

Excellent!

 

Lots of space and airflow.

[muon* 2,985]

10 minutes ago, LogicprObe said:

 

Excellent!

 

Lots of space and airflow.

Have since added another 14cm fan at the top of mine

[cazzesman 2,057]

Hi muon,

 

I see Centre Com has a big sale at the moment.    If you have time can you look at the home PC pre builds for simple non gaming use and let me know if anything is good buying please.

 

$1200 to $1700 range.   No screen required.   Need cd burner.

 

Regards Cazzesman.

 

 

[muon* 2,985]

37 minutes ago, cazzesman said:

Hi muon,

 

I see Centre Com has a big sale at the moment.    If you have time can you look at the home PC pre builds for simple non gaming use and let me know if anything is good buying please.

 

$1200 to $1700 range.   No screen required.   Need cd burner.

 

Regards Cazzesman.

 

 

What are your needs, what do you do with it.

[cazzesman 2,057]

Hi Muon,

 

just normal home stuff, 

 

95% internet

some reports 

burn the ocassional cd

 

now I think about it, very little these days. 😀🙈

 

Regards Cazzesman

[muon* 2,985]

This is just a quick build one where they do it, as I'm too picky for the pre built ones they list. Note...have added 3x SilverStone FN123 120mm Case Fans, Slim Profile of 15mm Thickness. case comes with 2x 12cm fans so why not cover the other three positions 🙂

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/202160

 

Could go do a larger case and a bigger motherboard with more features.......shrug.....I focused on a nice compact case and a good power supply.

 

For a wireless adapter get a Edimax AC600 USB one from umart for 35 bucks.

 

Edit: you will notice I came under your minimum, that's because I hate spending other peoples money like this

Could go for a better motherboard, an 8 core CPU and larger case ect' if you wanted to max out that budget.

 

These are links to each part

 

Case. It's fancy

https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=862&area=en

 

Power supply

https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=362&area=en

 

CPU

https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600

 

Motherboard

https://www.gigabyte.com/au/Motherboard/B550M-H-rev-10#kf

 

RAM

https://www.hyperxgaming.com/us/memory/fury-ddr4

 

M2 Drive 500Gb

https://www.samsung.com/au/memory-storage/nvme-ssd/970-evo-nvme-m-2-ssd-500gb-mz-v7e500bw/

 

Low end graphics card because that all that is needed

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N710D5-2GL#ov

 

This is the USB wireless adapter I suggested from umart, I have one and they are good, good signal strength and plug n play with Win 10 so no need to use the driver cd.

https://www.umart.com.au/Edimax-EW-7811DAC-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC600-USB-Adapter_35812G.html

Edited January 15 by muon*

[cazzesman 2,057]

Thanks Muon,

 

Appreciate the time you have spent.

 

Regards Cazzesman

[muon* 2,985]

Can go for a Ryzen with more cores and even a 5000 series, but most will need a third party cooler, the 1600 comes with a AMD Wraith cooler.

[candyflip 3,852]

@muon*  @minute
I got mine down to $1000, using my current video card (the bulk of the processing for videos is done on the CPU anyway).

If they were in stock and I updated the Ryzen to the 3600XT, it would only add $100 or so.

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/202191 

[muon* 2,985]

Yes that 3600 CPU is of course a better choice, go with that.

 

Or of course you could go for more cores with the Ryzen 7 2700X which has 8 cores and 16 threads and a max boost frequency of 4.3gHz.

 

I don't think there was a huge leap in performance between the 2000 series and the 3000 series, definitely not like the leap you get going to the 5000 series.

 

Edit: There would be comparisons and most involving video editing benchmarks.

Edited January 16 by muon*

[muon* 2,985]

Keep in mind that with the R5 3600 a bios update is needed in all chip sets before the 570X, but seeing as you will be getting them to do the build that should be OK. It does dissipate less heat than the 2700X I suggested before if that site is accurate, the 2700X puts out 105w TDP compared to the 3600's 65w you chose.

 

It might be that video cards are utilized in number crunching duties like with video editing these days, it was all the CPU in the old days more than 10 years ago but applications can now take advantage of GPU's for number crunching work.

[candyflip 3,852]

7 minutes ago, muon* said:

It might be that video cards are utilized in number crunching duties like with video editing these days, it was all the CPU in the old days more than 10 years ago but applications can now take advantage of GPU's for number crunching work.

No, it turns out the majority (da Vinci Resolve aside) still use CPU for all the extraction of the video, minus some key effects like slides/dissolves and so on.

Counter-intuitive I know, but true. This is born out by my recent experience (I just didn't realise it).

 

https://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting#examples

[muon* 2,985]

6 minutes ago, candyflip said:

No, it turns out the majority (da Vinci Resolve aside) still use CPU for all the extraction of the video, minus some key effects like slides/dissolves and so on.

Counter-intuitive I know, but true. This is born out by my recent experience (I just didn't realise it).

 

https://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting#examples

Thanks for that I have found it a bit confusing these days.

 

I guess it will always depend on the given application and how it handles the work load.

[LHC 2,160]

6 hours ago, candyflip said:

@muon*  @minute
I got mine down to $1000, using my current video card (the bulk of the processing for videos is done on the CPU anyway).

If they were in stock and I updated the Ryzen to the 3600XT, it would only add $100 or so.

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/202191 

 

Damn, that Samsung 970 Evo 500GB looks like a really nice price. 

 

I would suggest one could do better on the ram for $10 more - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB (8GBx2) 3200MHz DDR4 Desktop RAM Black $109. 

 

Motherboard choices depend heavily on feature sets - make sure it has all you needs

 

[muon* 2,985]

9 minutes ago, LHC said:

would suggest one could do better on the ram for $10 more - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB (8GBx2) 3200MHz DDR4 Desktop RAM Black $109. 

I agree.

[muon* 2,985]

21 hours ago, cazzesman said:

Hi Muon,

 

just normal home stuff, 

 

95% internet

some reports 

burn the ocassional cd

 

now I think about it, very little these days. 😀🙈

 

Regards Cazzesman

Remember I was going by this, so I was not factoring in any video editing 😁

[muon* 2,985]

Hang on, so confusing!

 

My build was for crazzesman.

[candyflip 3,852]

2 minutes ago, muon* said:

Hang on, so confusing!

 

My build was for crazzesman.

I took yours', and adapated it to my own needs, and then posted that above.

Just for discussion.

[muon* 2,985]

11 minutes ago, candyflip said:

I took yours', and adapated it to my own needs, and then posted that above.

Just for discussion.

All good

 

Was just venting my confusion 

[muon* 2,985]

25 minutes ago, candyflip said:

I took yours', and adapated it to my own needs, and then posted that above.

Just for discussion.

So your focus is on vid editing?

 

Then go for a 5000 series Ryzen

https://www.centrecom.com.au/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-460ghz-6-cores-12-threads-am4-desktop-processor

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1960/

Edited January 16 by muon*

[muon* 2,985]

And maybe go to a 1Tb EVO M2

 

Edit: or add a 1Tb SSD

Edited January 16 by muon*

[muon* 2,985]

Maybe up ram to 32Gb too, while It's cheaper.

 

Only have two slots in that board, but probably better with a 570X board if going to a 5000 series CPU anyway, and if the board is larger the case might be too small........................it never ends

Edited January 16 by muon*

[candyflip 3,852]

32MB RAM is probably overkill, as is an internal 1TB drive.

I have external storage through portable 1TB SSDs already, and the RAM is unlikely to be full utilised in my entry-mid level software suite.

 

This isn't commercial grade video editing.

I don't get paid.  😉

[sloper 512]

l always recomend filling up ram, a hangup from the old days of 286's when ram and hard disks with real expensive.

To get the best performance we had to create a Ramdisk

Ram and hard drives are really cheap these days.

 

Found the receipt for my first PC the other day $2400.

386 at 33mghz  2 meg ram 40meg hard drive 3.5 and 5.25 floppy drives and Dos 5 with MS Works.

 

regards Bruce

[minute 36]

On 12/01/2021 at 4:35 AM, LHC said:

Hi @minute

 

I think I've done it. Here is a screenshot when I ran Ryzen Master with my D.O.C.P. setting. The memory clock speed, fabric speed, and sub timings all seem to match the target profile. Can I take this to mean my overclock is successful? So far after a full day of use we observed no signs of instability so that is reassuring. We will increase the load over the week and see how it goes. 

 

 

HI LHC,

I will respond to you in PM

[Jeddie 300]

Hi all,

I'm in the market for a new desktop. Haven't bought a new one in > 10 years.

I found a site called 'Make My PC' > https://makemypc.com.au/

 

Anybody used them? Are they worthwhile? 

 

 

[muon* 2,985]

2 hours ago, Jeddie said:

Hi all,

I'm in the market for a new desktop. Haven't bought a new one in > 10 years.

I found a site called 'Make My PC' > https://makemypc.com.au/

 

Anybody used them? Are they worthwhile? 

 

 

Strange they only have a choice of the Pro version of Windows 10, most users only need the home version.

 

In fact the process limits choice on all components, and seems to be a little up in price compared to what you can get stuff for.

For instance in the choice for CPU going desktop, they have a Ryzen 3 or Ryzen 5 in the list, but they do not state what models!

So impossible to know if you are getting value or not.

 

They charge $299 for Windows Pro, at Umart you get the same OEM Windows 10 Pro for $199.

 

I would stay away!

Edited January 27 by muon*

[LogicprObe 7,679]

 

The Pro version just has better networking for business.

[LHC 2,160]

With my new build I was able to transfer over my Win 10 Pro digital licence from an old PC. At first I tried the transfer trick described in this link

https://win10.guru/windows-10-digital-license-how-to-transfer/ but it didn't allow me to activate! In desperation I found the product key of the Win 8 upgrade used previously on the old PC and the new Win 10 accepted it for activation. Saved myself some $$

[kukynas 820]

Plenty of online shops selling digital download license of Windows 10 Pro for 5-10 AUD

 

Buy Windows 10 Professional Retail Cd Key Microsoft Global CD Key (gamers-outlet.net)

Buy Windows 10 Professional Standard Software Software - CD Key - Instant Delivery | HRKGame.com

Buy Windows 10 Professional - MS Products CD KEY cheap (gamivo.com)

etc...

Edited January 28 by kukynas
wrong conversion and added links

[muon* 2,985]

4 hours ago, kukynas said:

Plenty of online shops selling digital download license of Windows 10 Pro for 5-10 AUD

 

Buy Windows 10 Professional Retail Cd Key Microsoft Global CD Key (gamers-outlet.net)

Buy Windows 10 Professional Standard Software Software - CD Key - Instant Delivery | HRKGame.com

Buy Windows 10 Professional - MS Products CD KEY cheap (gamivo.com)

etc...

Not approved by Microsoft though.

 

Just because you can do it doesn't meant it should be done.

4 hours ago, LHC said:

With my new build I was able to transfer over my Win 10 Pro digital licence from an old PC. At first I tried the transfer trick described in this link

https://win10.guru/windows-10-digital-license-how-to-transfer/ but it didn't allow me to activate! In desperation I found the product key of the Win 8 upgrade used previously on the old PC and the new Win 10 accepted it for activation. Saved myself some $$

Yes, although they did say there was a cut off time for the upgrade, it seems it still works with Win 7 and Win 8 keys.

[kukynas 820]

16 minutes ago, muon* said:

Not approved by Microsoft though.

 

Just because you can do it doesn't meant it should be done.

I don’t care what deal is between Microsoft and reseller or their resellers, I’m buying either OEM or retail copy of product which is genuine and ready to be registered with invoice in my pocket, of course I’m not forcing anyone to buy and pay for it 😉

[muon* 2,985]

13 minutes ago, kukynas said:

I don’t care what deal is between Microsoft and reseller or their resellers, I’m buying either OEM or retail copy of product which is genuine and ready to be registered with invoice in my pocket, of course I’m not forcing anyone to buy and pay for it 😉

Like you I'm all for purchasing a software license

 

Purchasing a key is not purchasing a software license.

 

Up to the individuals what they want to do, but for myself I'd rather purchase a software license for 10x as much rather than line the pockets of these key sellers even with a few dollars.

 

I never register my Windows installations, no benefits for myself, I don't use 'apps' ect'.