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The Intel v. the Ryzen kit.

 

The Ryzen CPU alone is a full $200 more exxy than the Intel, and with that cash I can get a second SSD installed, and still have $$'s leftover to upgrade elsewhere.

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205067

v.

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, candyflip said:

The Intel v. the Ryzen kit.

 

The Ryzen CPU alone is a full $200 more exxy than the Intel, and with that cash I can get a second SSD installed, and still have $$'s leftover to upgrade elsewhere.

 

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205067

v.

https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

 

 

 

Ah so you have gone for a lower end i5 with the i5-9400 that's a downgrade for that savings.

 

That compassion previously with the Ryzen vs 10600K is no longer valid, you have gone down to 6 threads instead of 12 and down in clock speed too, and a smaller cache.

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-9400-vs-Intel-Core-i5-10600K/m735306vs4072

 

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BTW @candyflip that asrock board is a AMD board, not an Intel board.

 

Also the upgrade path is not as good with the intel CPU's, and even worse with that i5-9400 as it uses the 1151 socket as opposed to the 1200 socket used with the i5-10600. Either way a bit of a dead end on CPu upgrades going Intel.

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58 minutes ago, candyflip said:

Thanks so much @muon* @LHC and @minute for the advice so far.

About to order this one based on your feedback:  https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 

I've upgarded the CPU (XT now back in stock) and the Kingston Hyper RAM as suggested.

 

Before I press 'go', can you have a look over and make sure I haven't done something stupid, or left out a cooler I'd need or something?

cheers

 

Personally I would go the extra mile and go for a 5600 not the 3600xt or intel. The extra investment is worth it

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11 hours ago, muon* said:

Also the upgrade path is not as good with the intel CPU's, and even worse with that i5-9400 as it uses the 1151 socket as opposed to the 1200 socket used with the i5-10600. Either way a bit of a dead end on CPu upgrades going Intel.

 

Can you help me out with that bit?

I don't get why the Intel CPU's are not as easily upgradeable.

 

If I moved to the i5-10600K option here (https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205087) wouldn't it be easy to swap in a new chip if needed in a few years, as I could a Ryzen in another board?

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53 minutes ago, candyflip said:

 

Can you help me out with that bit?

I don't get why the Intel CPU's are not as easily upgradeable.

 

If I moved to the i5-10600K option here (https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/205087) wouldn't it be easy to swap in a new chip if needed in a few years, as I could a Ryzen in another board?

CPU's have a specific socket type on the board, the i5-9400 uses and older one that is the 1151, the i5-10600 uses one specified as socket 1200. AMD currently use one called AM4.

AMD have been notable in not changing the socket type as much in recent times compared to Intel.

 

Of course there are other things that can stop us using a newer chip like main board chip set incompatibility, but that's another separate thing.

 

You can see the history of sockets and the cpu's they were compatible with here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket

 

 

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2 minutes ago, candyflip said:

This was VERY instructive this morning: https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_3600xt_review,20.html 

 

At $319 now, the 3600 CPU is really damn good value then.

No need to overclock either (for me).

Yeah, the 3600XT would be good for your main use.

 

And where the AMD comparable motherboard chip sets are concerned you can see here what ones offer the best current upgrade compatibility, note that the latest 5000 series Ryzen CPU's are on top beating Intel's rivals.

https://www.amd.com/en/chipsets/b550

 

So that board you did have picked out using a 550 chipset is a decent pick, without going all out for a board with a performance 570 chipset.

 

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That ram has low latency of 15-15-15-36 but at a lower bandwidth and not indicative of it a 3000mHz, so my mistake there.

 

Do go for better ram than what was originally picked by me, so go for 3000mHz or 3200mHz type. If it has a latency of cas16 It's a bonus.

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On 06/02/2021 at 8:25 PM, muon* said:

Not sure what will happen in the long run for home users, but looks like Windows Cloud PC is happening for the  business environment now.

https://www.techradar.com/au/news/microsoft-drops-fresh-details-about-upcoming-windows-10-pc-as-a-service?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021&utm_content=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021+&utm_term=1623536&M_BT=1318185420156

Going to suck in the future I think.

 

There will be no Windows 11, as you would have gathered for a while now.

 

This PC is Win 7 Ultimate and is still updating.

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7 minutes ago, LogicprObe said:

 

I've got to admit...........it's pretty slow on the pantry fanless job........................but that's only Win 7 32 bit.

Y'all are missing bits! ?

 

Win 7 Home was still updating here and there before I moved from it a couple of months ago,  I think they are being nice in the lead up to sticking us with a sub' service system in the future ;)

 

Likely why they allowed the upgrades from 7 and 8 to 10 to continue.

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