LHC Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 With my new build I was able to transfer over my Win 10 Pro digital licence from an old PC. At first I tried the transfer trick described in this link https://win10.guru/windows-10-digital-license-how-to-transfer/ but it didn't allow me to activate! In desperation I found the product key of the Win 8 upgrade used previously on the old PC and the new Win 10 accepted it for activation. Saved myself some $$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukynas Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Plenty of online shops selling digital download license of Windows 10 Pro for 5-10 AUD Buy Windows 10 Professional Retail Cd Key Microsoft Global CD Key (gamers-outlet.net) Buy Windows 10 Professional Standard Software Software - CD Key - Instant Delivery | HRKGame.com Buy Windows 10 Professional - MS Products CD KEY cheap (gamivo.com) etc... Edited January 28, 2021 by kukynas wrong conversion and added links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 hours ago, kukynas said: Plenty of online shops selling digital download license of Windows 10 Pro for 5-10 AUD Buy Windows 10 Professional Retail Cd Key Microsoft Global CD Key (gamers-outlet.net) Buy Windows 10 Professional Standard Software Software - CD Key - Instant Delivery | HRKGame.com Buy Windows 10 Professional - MS Products CD KEY cheap (gamivo.com) etc... Not approved by Microsoft though. Just because you can do it doesn't meant it should be done. 4 hours ago, LHC said: With my new build I was able to transfer over my Win 10 Pro digital licence from an old PC. At first I tried the transfer trick described in this link https://win10.guru/windows-10-digital-license-how-to-transfer/ but it didn't allow me to activate! In desperation I found the product key of the Win 8 upgrade used previously on the old PC and the new Win 10 accepted it for activation. Saved myself some $$ Yes, although they did say there was a cut off time for the upgrade, it seems it still works with Win 7 and Win 8 keys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukynas Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, muon* said: Not approved by Microsoft though. Just because you can do it doesn't meant it should be done. I don’t care what deal is between Microsoft and reseller or their resellers, I’m buying either OEM or retail copy of product which is genuine and ready to be registered with invoice in my pocket, of course I’m not forcing anyone to buy and pay for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, kukynas said: I don’t care what deal is between Microsoft and reseller or their resellers, I’m buying either OEM or retail copy of product which is genuine and ready to be registered with invoice in my pocket, of course I’m not forcing anyone to buy and pay for it Like you I'm all for purchasing a software license Purchasing a key is not purchasing a software license. Up to the individuals what they want to do, but for myself I'd rather purchase a software license for 10x as much rather than line the pockets of these key sellers even with a few dollars. I never register my Windows installations, no benefits for myself, I don't use 'apps' ect'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukynas Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, muon* said: Purchasing a key is not purchasing a software license. yes it is, as mentioned on their web site Quote The products sold on ‘Gamers-Outlet’ are original keys scanned from the physical product itself and you will be the first and only one to have it. If the product is not valid or is defective a replacement will be issued only after our team verifies the error, we can take up to 48 hours to have a solution. just because you don't own that retail box or medium doesn't mean you don't own the license, you'll get a scan of COA label to your email with confirmation about payment...on some sites you find that COA label under your account profile... I bought like this 6x win 10 Pro keys within last couple of years + some office, visio and other sw and never had any trouble with either seller or MS, all my sw is registered under my MS account and becomes my digital license, all at the same time linked with hw it's running on MS is in the same situation like any other sw company (at least here in EU), in 2012 and once again confirmed in 2016 by EU court of justice that it's completely legal to resell sw products which has been once sold freely and for any price, as of than all these online resellers started to operate and this is the outcome, so again do I care? it's fight between MS and their resellers and their resellers what will be the final price for end customer... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, kukynas said: yes it is, as mentioned on their web site just because you don't own that retail box or medium doesn't mean you don't own the license, you'll get a scan of COA label to your email with confirmation about payment...on some sites you find that COA label under your account profile... I bought like this 6x win 10 Pro keys within last couple of years + some office, visio and other sw and never had any trouble with either seller or MS, all my sw is registered under my MS account and becomes my digital license, all at the same time linked with hw it's running on MS is in the same situation like any other sw company (at least here in EU), in 2012 and once again confirmed in 2016 by EU court of justice that it's completely legal to resell sw products which has been once sold freely and for any price, as of than all these online resellers started to operate and this is the outcome, so again do I care? it's fight between MS and their resellers and their resellers what will be the final price for end customer... OK, I can copy the key from someones label on their PC or laptop and then I now own that license Yeah, I'd want to hear it from MS to believe it, not from the key seller. Edit: this gives me a money making idea, and the only outlay is a portable hand scanner, or I could just use my phone camera No...wait! this isn't the EU. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_licensing/is-it-legal-to-use-windows-10-oem-key-on-a-custom/8de8fed4-1b7f-4f54-a2ef-0aa5e83b4fdf https://www.thewindowsclub.com/is-it-legal-to-use-the-cheap-windows-10-keys-available-on-the-internet-do-they-work https://www.howtogeek.com/392080/cheap-windows-10-keys-do-they-work/ Not hard to find out the truth. Edited January 29, 2021 by muon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kukynas Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 yes, not hard... Press and Information (europa.eu) https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2016-10/cp160110en.pdf How to check if my Windows Key is Genuine or Legit (thewindowsclub.com) all my keys are either OEM or Retail, activated and legit and I think I've said enough, the rest is up to each individual comrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHC Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) The legality question of Windows key is murky and probably there are no easy answers. From what I understand the cheap OEM keys can be legit - meaning that they can enable win 10 to be activated. However activation does not mean the usage of the key is legal - that depends on whether the intended usage violates Windows software licence agreed terms of use. 6:40 min mark: Linus explains the cheap OEM keys are not originally intended to be use for the North American or European markets (and that probably applies to the Australian market as well). Therefore using these cheap keys is technically against Microsoft's licence term. 4:40 min mark: Tech Deals argues here that since Microsoft did not 'region lock' their windows key, therefore the purchase and use of cheap keys to activate windows is perfectly legit. Edited January 29, 2021 by LHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I agree, It's personal choice, I'm happy for others to give money to these dodgy low life's that sell keys, I chose not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minute Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) On 27/01/2021 at 10:31 PM, Jeddie said: Hi all, I'm in the market for a new desktop. Haven't bought a new one in > 10 years. I found a site called 'Make My PC' > https://makemypc.com.au/ Anybody used them? Are they worthwhile? I personally wouldn't take up their services. If you're not keen on building it yourself, I can assist you since you're in Sydney. I am based around Macquarie Park and can help you fit the parts together etc Edited February 2, 2021 by candyflip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Thanks so much @muon* @LHC and @minute for the advice so far. About to order this one based on your feedback: https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/204993 I've upgarded the CPU (XT now back in stock) and the Kingston Hyper RAM as suggested. Before I press 'go', can you have a look over and make sure I haven't done something stupid, or left out a cooler I'd need or something? cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHC Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, candyflip said: Kingston Hyper RAM as suggested Might want to check on that as the better ram has a stock frequency of 3200MHz and a price of $109. It is up to you if you wish to pay a little more. Your selected case comes with two fans - I presume you ordered three additional case fans which is fine The CPU comes with a stock cooler which is ok for the time being, but worth monitoring your temperature regularly. I see that your selected Samsung evo 870 drive is not showing in stock. So be aware of any attempt to bait and switch - make sure you get the parts you've ordered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, LHC said: Might want to check on that as the better ram has a stock frequency of 3200MHz and a price of $109. It is up to you if you wish to pay a little more. Ahh, saw that now - thanks, yes I will change. Your selected case comes with two fans - I presume you ordered three additional case fans which is fine Yes, as directed too. The CPU comes with a stock cooler which is ok for the time being, but worth monitoring your temperature regularly. Got it. Actually, thinking that the Intel i5-10600K is actually a far better performing CPU and so throwing that in the build mix now. Which might chnage a few choices further down.... I see that your selected Samsung evo 870 drive is not showing in stock. So be aware of any attempt to bait and switch - make sure you get the parts you've ordered. Yes, will change that out to one that's in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHC Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, candyflip said: Yes, will change that out to one that's in stock. That Samsung 870 Evo was a great price, so be sure to check with them first that they are out of stock and unable to offer more at that price. A good alternative is the Kingston 1TB A2000 https://www.centrecom.com.au/kingston-1tb-a2000-sa2000m81000g-1tb-nvme-ssd It costs $34 more but you have double the storage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, candyflip said: Got it. Actually, thinking that the Intel i5-10600K is actually a far better performing CPU and so throwing that in the build mix now. Which might chnage a few choices further down... Where did you hear that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) The Intel CPU is a smidge faster in some single core stuff but the Ryzen is noticeably faster in general on multi core performance. https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/intel-core-i5-10600k-vs-amd-ryzen-5-3600xt EDIT: BTW, 2800mHz is the sweet spot with RAM, there is negligible performance benefit going higher, but if you can get lower latency timings with the faster RAM set at 2800mHz then that is beneficial. Or just get lower latency 2800mHz RAM. Edited February 6, 2021 by muon* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, muon* said: Where did you hear that? https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-10600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600XT/4072vsm1211585 CONCLUSION section..the writer really has it in for Ryzen 5 series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Need a different motherboard for Intel, make sure correct socket and that it fits in that case. The intel CPU has built in graphics so can do away with the graphics card, no cooler so get a competent suitable third party one. CPU specs for the 10600K states memory as DDR-2666Mhz. https://www.centrecom.com.au/intel-core-i5-10600k-41ghz-comet-lake-6-core-12-thread-processor-no-hsf-retail-box https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199311/intel-core-i5-10600k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz.html If you stick with the Ryzen CPU go for 3000mHz ram with low latency, like this one https://www.centrecom.com.au/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2x8gb-3000mhz-ddr4-desktop-memory 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloper Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Just reloaded a old Win7pro pc had to go through the telephone activation to get it to work. Activated no problems then, just for giggles seeing if it will upgrade to Win 10pro Yes l have the sticker for win7pro. Still have too much old pc parts here, even found anew Win 95 unopened the other day. regards Bruce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloper Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Hah, Just loaded a activated win 10 pro regards Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicprObe Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, sloper said: Hah, Just loaded a activated win 10 pro regards Bruce I would have stuck with 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 hours ago, sloper said: Hah, Just loaded a activated win 10 pro regards Bruce Yeah, Win 7 and Win 8/8.1 will still work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, LogicprObe said: I would have stuck with 7. Not sure what will happen in the long run for home users, but looks like Windows Cloud PC is happening for the business environment now. https://www.techradar.com/au/news/microsoft-drops-fresh-details-about-upcoming-windows-10-pc-as-a-service?utm_source=Selligent&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021&utm_content=Weekend+Newsletter+-+06%2F02%2F2021+&utm_term=1623536&M_BT=1318185420156 Going to suck in the future I think. There will be no Windows 11, as you would have gathered for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloper Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Its a PC l will flip so 10 is better. But lets face it Microsoft are slack. regards Bruce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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