muon* Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, cazzesman said: Hi muon, I see Centre Com has a big sale at the moment. If you have time can you look at the home PC pre builds for simple non gaming use and let me know if anything is good buying please. $1200 to $1700 range. No screen required. Need cd burner. Regards Cazzesman. What are your needs, what do you do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzesman Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Hi Muon, just normal home stuff, 95% internet some reports burn the ocassional cd now I think about it, very little these days. Regards Cazzesman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) This is just a quick build one where they do it, as I'm too picky for the pre built ones they list. Note...have added 3x SilverStone FN123 120mm Case Fans, Slim Profile of 15mm Thickness. case comes with 2x 12cm fans so why not cover the other three positions https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/202160 Could go do a larger case and a bigger motherboard with more features.......shrug.....I focused on a nice compact case and a good power supply. For a wireless adapter get a Edimax AC600 USB one from umart for 35 bucks. Edit: you will notice I came under your minimum, that's because I hate spending other peoples money like this Could go for a better motherboard, an 8 core CPU and larger case ect' if you wanted to max out that budget. These are links to each part Case. It's fancy https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=862&area=en Power supply https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=362&area=en CPU https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-1600 Motherboard https://www.gigabyte.com/au/Motherboard/B550M-H-rev-10#kf RAM https://www.hyperxgaming.com/us/memory/fury-ddr4 M2 Drive 500Gb https://www.samsung.com/au/memory-storage/nvme-ssd/970-evo-nvme-m-2-ssd-500gb-mz-v7e500bw/ Low end graphics card because that all that is needed https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N710D5-2GL#ov This is the USB wireless adapter I suggested from umart, I have one and they are good, good signal strength and plug n play with Win 10 so no need to use the driver cd. https://www.umart.com.au/Edimax-EW-7811DAC-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC600-USB-Adapter_35812G.html Edited January 15, 2021 by muon* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzesman Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Thanks Muon, Appreciate the time you have spent. Regards Cazzesman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Can go for a Ryzen with more cores and even a 5000 series, but most will need a third party cooler, the 1600 comes with a AMD Wraith cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 @muon* @minute I got mine down to $1000, using my current video card (the bulk of the processing for videos is done on the CPU anyway). If they were in stock and I updated the Ryzen to the 3600XT, it would only add $100 or so. https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/202191 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) Yes that 3600 CPU is of course a better choice, go with that. Or of course you could go for more cores with the Ryzen 7 2700X which has 8 cores and 16 threads and a max boost frequency of 4.3gHz. I don't think there was a huge leap in performance between the 2000 series and the 3000 series, definitely not like the leap you get going to the 5000 series. Edit: There would be comparisons and most involving video editing benchmarks. Edited January 16, 2021 by muon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Keep in mind that with the R5 3600 a bios update is needed in all chip sets before the 570X, but seeing as you will be getting them to do the build that should be OK. It does dissipate less heat than the 2700X I suggested before if that site is accurate, the 2700X puts out 105w TDP compared to the 3600's 65w you chose. It might be that video cards are utilized in number crunching duties like with video editing these days, it was all the CPU in the old days more than 10 years ago but applications can now take advantage of GPU's for number crunching work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, muon* said: It might be that video cards are utilized in number crunching duties like with video editing these days, it was all the CPU in the old days more than 10 years ago but applications can now take advantage of GPU's for number crunching work. No, it turns out the majority (da Vinci Resolve aside) still use CPU for all the extraction of the video, minus some key effects like slides/dissolves and so on. Counter-intuitive I know, but true. This is born out by my recent experience (I just didn't realise it). https://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting#examples 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, candyflip said: No, it turns out the majority (da Vinci Resolve aside) still use CPU for all the extraction of the video, minus some key effects like slides/dissolves and so on. Counter-intuitive I know, but true. This is born out by my recent experience (I just didn't realise it). https://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting#examples Thanks for that I have found it a bit confusing these days. I guess it will always depend on the given application and how it handles the work load. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LHC Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 hours ago, candyflip said: @muon* @minute I got mine down to $1000, using my current video card (the bulk of the processing for videos is done on the CPU anyway). If they were in stock and I updated the Ryzen to the 3600XT, it would only add $100 or so. https://www.centrecom.com.au/buildpc/202191 Damn, that Samsung 970 Evo 500GB looks like a really nice price. I would suggest one could do better on the ram for $10 more - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB (8GBx2) 3200MHz DDR4 Desktop RAM Black $109. Motherboard choices depend heavily on feature sets - make sure it has all you needs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, LHC said: would suggest one could do better on the ram for $10 more - Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB (8GBx2) 3200MHz DDR4 Desktop RAM Black $109. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 hours ago, cazzesman said: Hi Muon, just normal home stuff, 95% internet some reports burn the ocassional cd now I think about it, very little these days. Regards Cazzesman Remember I was going by this, so I was not factoring in any video editing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Hang on, so confusing! My build was for crazzesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, muon* said: Hang on, so confusing! My build was for crazzesman. I took yours', and adapated it to my own needs, and then posted that above. Just for discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, candyflip said: I took yours', and adapated it to my own needs, and then posted that above. Just for discussion. All good Was just venting my confusion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, candyflip said: I took yours', and adapated it to my own needs, and then posted that above. Just for discussion. So your focus is on vid editing? Then go for a 5000 series Ryzen https://www.centrecom.com.au/amd-ryzen-5-5600x-460ghz-6-cores-12-threads-am4-desktop-processor https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Adobe-Premiere-Pro-AMD-Ryzen-5000-Series-CPU-Performance-1960/ Edited January 16, 2021 by muon* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) And maybe go to a 1Tb EVO M2 Edit: or add a 1Tb SSD Edited January 16, 2021 by muon* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 (edited) Maybe up ram to 32Gb too, while It's cheaper. Only have two slots in that board, but probably better with a 570X board if going to a 5000 series CPU anyway, and if the board is larger the case might be too small........................it never ends Edited January 16, 2021 by muon* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyflip Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 32MB RAM is probably overkill, as is an internal 1TB drive. I have external storage through portable 1TB SSDs already, and the RAM is unlikely to be full utilised in my entry-mid level software suite. This isn't commercial grade video editing. I don't get paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloper Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 l always recomend filling up ram, a hangup from the old days of 286's when ram and hard disks with real expensive. To get the best performance we had to create a Ramdisk Ram and hard drives are really cheap these days. Found the receipt for my first PC the other day $2400. 386 at 33mghz 2 meg ram 40meg hard drive 3.5 and 5.25 floppy drives and Dos 5 with MS Works. regards Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minute Posted January 17, 2021 Author Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 12/01/2021 at 4:35 AM, LHC said: Hi @minute I think I've done it. Here is a screenshot when I ran Ryzen Master with my D.O.C.P. setting. The memory clock speed, fabric speed, and sub timings all seem to match the target profile. Can I take this to mean my overclock is successful? So far after a full day of use we observed no signs of instability so that is reassuring. We will increase the load over the week and see how it goes. HI LHC, I will respond to you in PM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeddie Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Hi all, I'm in the market for a new desktop. Haven't bought a new one in > 10 years. I found a site called 'Make My PC' > https://makemypc.com.au/ Anybody used them? Are they worthwhile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muon* Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jeddie said: Hi all, I'm in the market for a new desktop. Haven't bought a new one in > 10 years. I found a site called 'Make My PC' > https://makemypc.com.au/ Anybody used them? Are they worthwhile? Strange they only have a choice of the Pro version of Windows 10, most users only need the home version. In fact the process limits choice on all components, and seems to be a little up in price compared to what you can get stuff for. For instance in the choice for CPU going desktop, they have a Ryzen 3 or Ryzen 5 in the list, but they do not state what models! So impossible to know if you are getting value or not. They charge $299 for Windows Pro, at Umart you get the same OEM Windows 10 Pro for $199. I would stay away! Edited January 27, 2021 by muon* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LogicprObe Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 The Pro version just has better networking for business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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