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I came Icross one of these on special and sort of bought it on impulse. I'm actually really impressed and I think it sounds great! Maybe the best turntable I have had, including a few of the more modest Pro-ject offerings (up to RPM3) and a cleaudio concept. 

 

It's not had the best reception online due to apparently not being as well built as the previous sl1200s. 

 

But like I said - I am really pleased with it. Not only the sound which I am thoroughly enjoying, but also the feel of using it. It's just fun and easy to play records with this.

 

 Because this hobby is like a sort of brain disease, I am immediately wondering whether it's worth stretching to an sl1200gr. Any thoughts?

 

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I went from vinyl, to CDJs in the mid 2000s, and then back to vinyl only a few years ago but with a twist - I now use a digital vinyl system (DVS) which uses turntables and two digitally-encoded recor

Would have preferred the 1500, but we don't get that model here in sg 🤣🤣🤣   1210mk7 sounds pretty good straight out of the box!      

IMO a 1200GR will wipe the floor of a Rega 6.   Technics all the way.

I also have a SL1210 Mk 7 plus a pair of SL1200 Mk 2's and a Rega Planer 2.

The Mk 7 is the first new turntable I have owned and I am also really pleased with it.

I would prefer it if the lid was hinged but that can probably be sorted out.

For what I paid for it I could buy a pair of Mk7's for the price of a sl1200gr and I presently feel no need to upgrade.

Yes the Mk7's are probably not quite as robust as my Mk2's but I am not going to cart it around and use it as a DJ deck, so that is not an issue for me.

 

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If it were mine I would keep the mk7 and make a few upgrades

 

Dave Crawley in the UK sells upgraded bearings for the 1200 and KAB sells a fluid damping setup for the tonearm. IMO these upgrades will push the mk7 well up towards the gr.

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9 hours ago, Warren Jones said:

If it were mine I would keep the mk7 and make a few upgrades

 

Dave Crawley in the UK sells upgraded bearings for the 1200 and KAB sells a fluid damping setup for the tonearm. IMO these upgrades will push the mk7 well up towards the gr.

That sounds like a great idea!

 

If order parts from those guys, is it difficult to install them? I mean, the cartridge is fine of course, but upgrading the bearings and tonearm sounds a bit more technical. I don't really want to send the whole unit around the world though. I guess I could find a technician in Australia though.

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The tonearm dampener is relatively easy to install, and can be removed if you want to sell the deck later as stock. 

 

What you do re the deck like usual comes down to funds! I have checked out the Mk7, GR and G. I had to choose between the Mk7 and GR as a present for a mate of mine... sure the GR is significantly dearer, but if you're looking at this for a long term deck and can afford it, i think the GR is definitely the sweet spot in the range, and a solid Japan made deck that you can then upgrade as funds permit and properly be happy and done with it.

 

The Mk7 (made in Malaysia) seemed really cheap in comparison to the GR (IMO). I have some M5G's and i would not swap them for a Mk7. The GR however is a much nicer bit of kit.

 

If overall you only want to spend the cost of the GR, then going with the Mk7 and upgrading some bits will likely lead to the overall better SQ.

 

I would do the tonearm dampener, and also a regulated linear power supply first. Also things like an upgraded mat for the platter, cartridge of course, record weight. You could also look at new footers (like the isonoe's), and a dedicated platform for the table (the ikea chopping boards are a cheap tweak!).

 

Let us know how you go :)

 

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2 hours ago, wikeeboy said:

If overall you only want to spend the cost of the GR, then going with the Mk7 and upgrading some bits will likely lead to the overall better SQ

I've ordered an oyaide mat. I will certainly go for the fluid damping.

 

I know that what will probably happen is that I will do a bunch of the upgrades to the mk7 and then eventually end up going to a gr.

 

 

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bought the mk7 over the wkend....

 

gonna transfer the 2M Bronze cartridge from the all arcylic pro-ject 9.1x (motor power supply waiting replacement) to this.

 

how do people usually adjust the overhang on a technics?

(is the pro-ject align it tool any use?) 

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5 minutes ago, jeromelang said:

bought the mk7 over the wkend....

 

gonna transfer the 2M Bronze cartridge from the all arcylic pro-ject 9.1x (motor power supply waiting replacement) to this.

 

how do people usually adjust the overhang on a technics?

(is the pro-ject align it tool any use?) 

Technics TT's usually come with a cartridge gauge don't they? You just stick the headshell in it and you can judge the overhang...

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19 minutes ago, jeromelang said:

bought the mk7 over the wkend....

 

gonna transfer the 2M Bronze cartridge from the all arcylic pro-ject 9.1x (motor power supply waiting replacement) to this.

 

how do people usually adjust the overhang on a technics?

(is the pro-ject align it tool any use?) 

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6 minutes ago, wikeeboy said:

That's the one!

 

Every SL i've ever bought has come with one.

Not my MK7 ,unfortunately

Helps to keep the cost down I suppose, like no hinges. 

 

I already had one for my MK2's so not a problem for me.

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Just now, EV Cali said:

Not my MK7 ,unfortunately

Helps to keep the cost down I suppose, like no hinges. 

 

would have like to have the hinges

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1 hour ago, jeromelang said:

 

would have like to have the hinges

Would also prefer it to have hinges

I think it would not be too hard to come up with a bracket for hinges ,perhaps attached by the bolt for the feet.

Will try and work some thing out when it is out of warranty.

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On 17/10/2020 at 10:44 AM, sleach said:

I know that what will probably happen is that I will do a bunch of the upgrades to the mk7 and then eventually end up going to a gr.

 

When this happens I tell myself that the remaining dollars in my bank account are actually audiophiles, and are fully supportive of what happened to the rest of 'em. 

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1 hour ago, EV Cali said:
1 hour ago, wikeeboy said:

Every SL i've ever bought has come with one.

Not my MK7 ,unfortunately

Helps to keep the cost down I suppose, like no hinges. 

No gauge with mine either, though it was "open box" so maybe somebody already found a use for it.

 

At the moment I'm using a Concorde club so the overhang should be ok I think.

 

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1 hour ago, sleach said:

No gauge with mine either, though it was "open box" so maybe somebody already found a use for it.

 

At the moment I'm using a Concorde club so the overhang should be ok I think.

 

If you're using an ortofon concorde club no need for any tweaking, it's all done for you. Unless you're using the OM version of the cartridge? In that case you'll need to set it up wth the gauge.

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Sorry mate, just checked your pics. Can see you have the concorde club, so it's all good to go. no need for tweaking or setting of overhang. Good to go 👍

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Has anyone compared between SL1210 MK7 vs SL1500c?

 

I believe that both units are manufactured in Malaysia (probably same exact factory) and one is quite cheaper (abt $400~$500) than the other.

SL1500c has built in phono preamp which I was told that quite decent (only support MM cart) and comes with 2M Red cart as standard when SL1210 MK7 does not come with any cart if I understood correctly.

 

SL1500C looks very clean without pitch control etc but not sure if it is worth $500 premium against the other.  

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Would have preferred the 1500, but we don't get that model here in sg 🤣🤣🤣

 

1210mk7 sounds pretty good straight out of the box!

 

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6 hours ago, Spider27 said:

Has anyone compared between SL1210 MK7 vs SL1500c?

 

I believe that both units are manufactured in Malaysia (probably same exact factory) and one is quite cheaper (abt $400~$500) than the other.

SL1500c has built in phono preamp which I was told that quite decent (only support MM cart) and comes with 2M Red cart as standard when SL1210 MK7 does not come with any cart if I understood correctly.

 

SL1500C looks very clean without pitch control etc but not sure if it is worth $500 premium against the other.  

I would have been happy with the SL1500c but it was $700 more, than what I purchased the SL1200 Mk 7 for and I did not require the internal phone and cart.

I believe all internals, arm, to be the same. Would have been nice to have the hinges on the lid though.

Mine was open box but it arrived with a crack in the lid . No problem I was told, take it in to your nearest branch and we will swap it. So in I go, they bring out a new one ,we open it to check the lid is ok and I am on my  way again.

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4 hours ago, jeromelang said:

 

1210mk7 sounds pretty good straight out of the box!

looks great in your set-up too!

 

6 hours ago, Spider27 said:

SL1500C looks very clean without pitch control

I have to admit that the classic 1200 look is a big part of the appeal for me. After years of watching my favourite DJs use them it is nice to have one for home use too.

 

And during lockdown I have really gotten into the Telekom beats videos, especially the b-sides series like this - and just enjoying watching them pick up and put down the stylus - easy and casual. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, sleach said:

looks great in your set-up too!

 

I have to admit that the classic 1200 look is a big part of the appeal for me. After years of watching my favourite DJs use them it is nice to have one for home use too.

 

And during lockdown I have really gotten into the Telekom beats videos, especially the b-sides series like this - and just enjoying watching them pick up and put down the stylus - easy and casual. 

 

 

Love her happy mood and make me smile watching her video. 

 

And, she has impressive needle drop skill without using cueing lever. ☺️

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3 minutes ago, Spider27 said:

And, she has impressive needle drop skill without using cueing lever. ☺️

 

As a DJ it's a rite of passage - you become accustomed to quickly and precisely handling the tonearm without damaging the records. There's no time to use a cueing lever whilst mixing.

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You could tell that everything from handling out the record to dropping the needle was pure muscle memory, didn’t even touch the sides of her brain :) 

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10 minutes ago, RankStranger said:

You could tell that everything from handling out the record to dropping the needle was pure muscle memory, didn’t even touch the sides of her brain :) 

Indeed.

 

Completely off-topic, but it's a completely different spectator experience when someone mixes with vinyl vs a fully digital setup. You could be playing the exact same music, but people who are new to the game are fixated on the rotation of the vinyl, how the DJ handles their records, searching for particular beats or phrases in the tracks upon which to start the track, and the process of slip-cueing the records. It has that hands-on element to it and an experienced DJ makes it look so easy and fluid.

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28 minutes ago, pete_mac said:

Indeed.

 

Completely off-topic, but it's a completely different spectator experience when someone mixes with vinyl vs a fully digital setup. You could be playing the exact same music, but people who are new to the game are fixated on the rotation of the vinyl, how the DJ handles their records, searching for particular beats or phrases in the tracks upon which to start the track, and the process of slip-cueing the records. It has that hands-on element to it and an experienced DJ makes it look so easy and fluid.

I used to love watching videos of Cut Chemist and NuMark, MixMaster Mike, Q-Bert etc doing their thing. It’s like watching the practised movements of any skilled musician but theres a lot more diversity of movement and... topology(?) in DJing

 

The early days of YouTube for me were pretty much DJTube :D 

 

(sorry to go OT)

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29 minutes ago, pete_mac said:

vinyl vs a fully digital setup. You could be playing the exact same music, but people who are new to

Definitely! I mean I have been watching DJs for more than 20years, and watching a skilled DJ playing vinyl is always a treat and always fascinating. 

 

9 minutes ago, RankStranger said:

It’s like watching the practised movements of any skilled musician but theres a lot more diversity of movement and... topology(?) in DJing

That's just how I feel about it. And that's why the SL1200 has a strong allure for me as TT.

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1 minute ago, sleach said:

Definitely! I mean I have been watching DJs for more than 20years, and watching a skilled DJ playing vinyl is always a treat and always fascinating. 

 

That's just how I feel about it. And that's why the SL1200 has a strong allure for me as TT.

I sold my rega RP6 (my 3rd “hifi” turntable) a couple of years ago to bow out of vinyl altogther. The tweakiness of the playback chain always gave me anxiety that I wasn’t getting the most out of it. Luckily I never got around to selling off my records because last year I read about the SL1500C and thought, that’s exactly what I need, no tweaking, all in one, clean-looking etc.

 

Ultimately budget led me to a 2nd hand Audio Technical LP5 as a stepping stone but I’ll probably put a better cart on it some time soon, which I’ll then transfer to a SL1500C when they start showing up on the 2nd hand market. It’s all I want my analogue front end to be; simple, durable, neat-looking, no nonsense, great-sounding (according to all reports) and reasonably affordable. I don’t really give a toss where it’s made. My amp is Chinese and it sounds amazing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

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20 minutes ago, sleach said:

Definitely! I mean I have been watching DJs for more than 20years, and watching a skilled DJ playing vinyl is always a treat and always fascinating. 

 

That's just how I feel about it. And that's why the SL1200 has a strong allure for me as TT.

 

I went from vinyl, to CDJs in the mid 2000s, and then back to vinyl only a few years ago but with a twist - I now use a digital vinyl system (DVS) which uses turntables and two digitally-encoded records to manipulate digital files. It's the best of both worlds for me - easy access to my music, but the hands-on feel of turntables and vinyl.

 

I'd love another pair of SL1200s (I wish I still had the pair that I bought new in 2001) but for the time being the Reloop RP-7000s are doing the job quite well indeed. Very happy with their feel and performance.

 

(Apologies to the OP... I've taken this well and truly down a different road!)

 

 

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32 minutes ago, pete_mac said:

 

I went from vinyl, to CDJs in the mid 2000s, and then back to vinyl only a few years ago but with a twist - I now use a digital vinyl system (DVS) which uses turntables and two digitally-encoded records to manipulate digital files. It's the best of both worlds for me - easy access to my music, but the hands-on feel of turntables and vinyl.

 

I'd love another pair of SL1200s (I wish I still had the pair that I bought new in 2001) but for the time being the Reloop RP-7000s are doing the job quite well indeed. Very happy with their feel and performance.

 

(Apologies to the OP... I've taken this well and truly down a different road!)

 

 

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Ah mate, the 4D! I only recently sold mine for a 96 and some A&H K2's as a replacement. They're a beast. Waaay heavier than the 96 :)

 

Sorry also for being OTT but have you tried the Phase devices instead of time coded vinyl? Pretty cool idea and meant to be awesome to use. At first its so weird you don't need to use your needles.  

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42 minutes ago, wikeeboy said:

Ah mate, the 4D! I only recently sold mine for a 96 and some A&H K2's as a replacement. They're a beast. Waaay heavier than the 96 :)

 

Sorry also for being OTT but have you tried the Phase devices instead of time coded vinyl? Pretty cool idea and meant to be awesome to use. At first its so weird you don't need to use your needles.  

Yeah, the 4D has served me well. I was contemplating a 92 or 96, but I just can't let her go.

 

I haven't tried the Phase devices, but I've seen the youtube clips etc. They are pretty damn cool, although I think they'd take away that tactile and ritualistic element of using the tonearm that I really enjoy. 

 

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6 minutes ago, salad onion said:

I am tossing between SL1200gr and Rega planar 6. Any thoughts?

 

Hope it is not too off-topic...

 

IMO a 1200GR will wipe the floor of a Rega 6.   Technics all the way.

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Have to agree with Shane. Technics any day. Buy a good AC power lead and good interconnects and it’s not even close. 

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Thanks for the advice folks! Sounds like it is decided then. I was eyeing couple of LP-12 on the forum recently but they seem like different beasts.

 

One more question though, what  cartridge and phono stage you would recommend to go with it?

 

Just bit of background, I have a Rega p1 since 2012 which was paired with some Emotiva gear. I have upgrade the dac to BF2, Qutest which is fed by Roon --> Chromecast audio and testing a Yggy on loan, pre-amp to Mjolnir 2 recently and now p1 sounds crap comparatively. Power Amp is still Emotive XPA-2 for now.

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I have a Technics M5G with a bunch of mods, KAB PSU, Applied Fidelity Sapphire Bearing, KAB Fluid Damper, Funk Firm Achromat, KAB Strobe defeat, Jelco Headshell, Wood bodied AT95 with a JICO Hyperelliptical stylus running through a Schitt Mani and Swagman PSU.  If I had my time again I would not bother with the bearing, strobe defeat, PSU.  I would maybe look at the Delrin bearing base from KAB, but I'm not sure it is compatible with the new SL1200s.

 

I have a link to one of my needle drops on YouTube with this setup.

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, metal beat said:

 

IMO a 1200GR will wipe the floor of a Rega 6.   Technics all the way.

Yep - love my 1200GR - I did try the Rega before purchasing my Technics and there is no competition IMHO. 😍

 

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16 hours ago, salad onion said:

Thanks for the advice folks! Sounds like it is decided then. I was eyeing couple of LP-12 on the forum recently but they seem like different beasts.

 

One more question though, what  cartridge and phono stage you would recommend to go with it?

 

Just bit of background, I have a Rega p1 since 2012 which was paired with some Emotiva gear. I have upgrade the dac to BF2, Qutest which is fed by Roon --> Chromecast audio and testing a Yggy on loan, pre-amp to Mjolnir 2 recently and now p1 sounds crap comparatively. Power Amp is still Emotive XPA-2 for now.

 

really depends on your budget.    Dynavector P75 Mk 4 is amazing for the price, however it is over 1k.

 

cartridge, there are many :)

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