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   092820- Posted 100920   Fix for bad pixels on bottom line of video with new sharpening feature enabled. Fix for converting from 5 to 21 point in the CMS Grayscale/Gamma menu. Bugfix for resetting all settings except CMS in previous update was incorrect and now fixed. Factory reset defaults for sharpness are now 2 with High level while Darbee now defaults to a level of 25 when performing a factory reset.  Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support@lumagen.com .
 
  Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.

 

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates

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Many may not be aware but Jim Peterson ( Lumagen)  has been working on a NEW update  for the Lumagen Radiance Pro series VP,s. that incorporates a NEW UP-Scaling Algo AND!!!!! for the first time a "Sh

Not a baseline calibration as such, just a baseline settings. Tony and I run the same projector so my settings will be very similar to his (configuration of ins/outs) and HDR handling. As this

Here’s the details and the list of participating dealers for those on the fence about buying a lumagen.    https://www.stereo.net.au/news/free-in-home-isf-calibration-with-lumagen-video-process

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   092820- Posted 100920   Fix for bad pixels on bottom line of video with new sharpening feature enabled. Fix for converting from 5 to 21 point in the CMS Grayscale/Gamma menu. Bugfix for resetting all settings except CMS in previous update was incorrect and now fixed. Factory reset defaults for sharpness are now 2 with High level while Darbee now defaults to a level of 25 when performing a factory reset.  Please continue giving us your detailed feedback on issues via email at support@lumagen.com .
 
  Update time ~5 minutes @230k from previous firmware.

 

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiancepro_updates

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8 hours ago, wooferocau said:

Received notification from Alex at "Up-Tone Audio" that my JS-2 Linear PSU for my Lumagen shipped out from the USA today....should have it in 4-5 days....?

 

I'd be interested in your thoughts on the LPSU affect on  both Audio and Video with the Lumagen.   Also whether any change  after a few days of "burn in".  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Marc said:

I'm looking at getting a PLiXiR 12V6A PS organised for mine.

Let us know your thoughts on any improvement @wooferocau

 

Hi Mark,

 

Initial impressions are very positive! ?

Audio......a definite improvement in dynamics .

Video..... the already "clean" image from the Lumagen is improved a step further......cleaner image with  improvements to fine detail.  

 

There will be many sceptics that will dismiss the idea of a Linear PSU bringing any improvements  ,  but i DO NOT care .........i am very very  happy with the outlay/results  on the Linear PSU... 

 

For interest sake......  Jim Peterson himself  acknowledged  the "Possible" benefits of an "Analogue"  ( Linear) PSU when used with the Radiance Pro...?

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Although the video source and processing is all digital,  the actual electrical signal that travels to the projector and audio processor  is still analog.  That is to say that digital signals transmitted electrically are a series of analog electrical voltage pulses.  A cleaner electrical signal will  ordinarily result in less potential for errors and jitter  that  would otherwise be caused from electrical noise being transmitted from the SMPS. 
 

Lumagen  is very good at cleaning up the video signal anyway  but the improvements from  a decent LPSU  are there . 

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Anyone here have any electronic masking solutions setup with their lumagen? I'm due to get a lumagen (deposit paid) and my CIH scoped screen has electronic masking with a remote & sensor. So far I've been told it should work with Control4 system or perhaps via a scripted program using a raspberry Pi4 using IR control.

 

I'm more interested in the latter but happy to know of other possible solutions. 

 

Or maybe just have the screen setup as always 2.35:1 and get the lumagen to scale 16:9/Imax material to scoped. Anyone doing this, if so how does it look?

Note: I have a ISCO IIIL anamorphic lens in this setup.

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46 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

My Telos Audio 4mtr Power cable arrived .... this is used with the Up-Tone Audio JS-2 PSU feeding the Lumagen.....

 

"Loving" the results of this combo .....?

 

I haven't played with power cables yet - I think this is going to cost me!

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6 hours ago, hifiman said:

Or maybe just have the screen setup as always 2.35:1 and get the lumagen to scale 16:9/Imax material to scoped. Anyone doing this, if so how does it look?

 

I have a 2.35:1 screen and have tried the Lumagen non-linear scaling to fill the screen.  While it does work  and some love it, I still prefer the standard 16x9  with black bars at the sides.  Also with  a number of TV shows streaming in 1.85:1 and sometimes larger, I get good results by automating different zoom positions to maximise the picture size on the screen.

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6 hours ago, wooferocau said:

My Telos Audio 4mtr Power cable arrived .... this is used with the Up-Tone Audio JS-2 PSU feeding the Lumagen.....

 

"Loving" the results of this combo .....?

 

 

 


Woofer you are dangerous! I have to start ignoring your posts soon haha. Beautiful cables to go with your new LPS

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5 hours ago, TP1 said:

 

I have a 2.35:1 screen and have tried the Lumagen non-linear scaling to fill the screen.  While it does work  and some love it, I still prefer the standard 16x9  with black bars at the sides.  Also with  a number of TV shows streaming in 1.85:1 and sometimes larger, I get good results by automating different zoom positions to maximise the picture size on the screen.

Yup since i already have the electric horizontal masking working I think I'm already halfway there, just need to work out a way to automate it for scoped vs 16:9 content. 

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11 hours ago, hifiman said:

Yup since i already have the electric horizontal masking working I think I'm already halfway there, just need to work out a way to automate it for scoped vs 16:9 content. 

 

What brand. of screen and masking system do you have?

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On 31/10/2020 at 11:33 AM, TP1 said:

 

What brand. of screen and masking system do you have?


It's an LP Morgan Novares fixed frame screen that came with their own custom side masking solution (LP Morgan Galleria Eclipse). Works pretty well. 

I think it's a unity gain screen but I'll be swapping the material with a studiotek G4 material soon. 

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2 hours ago, hifiman said:


It's an LP Morgan Novares fixed frame screen that came with their own custom side masking solution (LP Morgan Galleria Eclipse). Works pretty well. 

I think it's a unity gain screen but I'll be swapping the material with a studiotek G4 material soon. 

 

Thanks for that - I've been struggling to find side-masking options. 

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I assume you used auto-translate subtitles? The translation is not great. Such a shame it's not in ENG.

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Correct.  The auto translate on this one isn't the best, you're right.  What I liked about this video is it's refreshing to actually see footage of the Lumagen at work, with on/off comparisons, something I feel is missing from Lumagen own marketing material.  As they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" 

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Currently in Beta , BUT official release VERY shortly.... ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/new-lumagen-radiance-pro-series.2172017/post-60318325

 

 

 

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Concerning the next update with even more improvement for the already spectacular DTM:

We are close to the next big release.

This release improves the "back and forth" scenes cuts which were difficult. Pat said the second time the same scene shows in a number of the cases actually does have different levels. The DTM was over emphasizing the difference, but Pat has found ways to adjust the DTM algorithm to keep the back and forth scenes as close as possible.

There were also a few scenes that had other issues. One type of scene I know about had enough areas with bright objects to fool our zone-based analysis. Pat redesigned the zone analysis, which improved these scenes.

I just discussed timeframe for the next release with Patrick. He said he is working on a couple additional scenes and thinks we can post the next release this weekend.

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Usage comment for the upcoming release:

As we have seen in the past changing the algorithms can also change the recommended defaults. Let me first say that the current recommendations (Max Light = 4 to 6 times measured light in nits, Dyn Pad = 2, Low-ratio = 31) still work well. That said, I am planning to change my settings slightly based on viewing the results of DTM for this upcoming release.

Max Light: I have been at 5x (400 for a measured max of 78 nits) for our Lumagen Demo Theater RS4500. With the new release I prefer setting Max Light 6x measured max. This helped with some bright details (e.g. Mad Max: Fury Road sand storm scene explosions).

Dyn Pad: We changed to a recommendation of 2 (from 5 to 6) a while back. This was due to changes in the algorithm allowing the scene headroom to be reduced. The effect of Dyn Pad changes slightly in the upcoming release. In my viewing, IMO the Dyn Pad of 2 seems to reduce the headroom slightly from the previous release. Patrick said there were not intentional changes to the Dyn Pad headroom, but he said he did change the MaxCLL effect on calculations He said this could affect Dyn Pad. Dyn Pad of 2 still looks great for most scenes but one scene I found where I wanted a higher Dyn Pad was "The Meg" in the "Hatch scene" with the red haze in the hatch (this is in teh first couple minutes of the movie). For this scene I ended up preferring Dyn Pad = 5. I also found I preferred Dyn Pad = 5 for Mad Max, and for several other title. The difference in scene brightness between 2 nd 5 seems less to me, and I saw more bright detail changing Dyn Pad to 5.

I should note that I already have discussed this with Pro owners using the current release and suggested Dyn Pad = 5 in some cases. So this is not entirely new. Dyn Pad remains a trade-off between higher scene brightness (=2) and more detail in very bright objects (=5). This has not changed, but my preference has. I am currently thinking I will set Dyn Pad = 5 for the upcoming release. So, my recommendation is try 2, 3, 4, and 5 for Dyn Pad over a lot of material and then select your preference.

I am not changing Low Ratio or DeSat settings for this new release.

I hope this is helpful to everyone and that I have not opened a can of worms as my posts sometimes do.
 
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Some Feedback on the 5348 from "Gordon Fraser"  ( Highly regarded UK Calibrator) 

 

 

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I put this on Uk forum today so thought i ought to share it here as well. I went for my first covid jab today and when i got home i found my office full of 5438 Radiance Pro's. Not all my back orders but a fair pile! So some lucky clients in UK and EU will be getting theirs over next week or so. Still waiting on more of the Keces P8's i've got on back order though.

Thought i'd share some other info with folk. I've not had a high quality video projector at home for several months as i had to loan out my own JVC to client who has been waiting on an N7/RS2000. So i've not been able to really look at how much of a difference the 5348 makes to video quality, only audio quality. About two weeks ago i did a calibration from an old client. It was arranged months ago, before the 5348 came out. He has an N9/rs3000. He asked me if i could bring a 4242 to show him even though he didn't think it would make any significant improvement to his N9. I agreed (to take one over) and when the 5348 came out he asked if i could bring one of them as well. So i did. i spent several hours doing the n9 calibration and then spent another few hours doing full LUT based calibration and set up of DTM with a 4242. I then loaded that config in to my 5348 so we could demo all three combinations. The customer was pleased with the calibration improvements and asked if he could play same clips he'd chosen with the 5348. We swapped over memories and presets in both devices and off we went. This was done with no sound, just looking at video and with no Keces supply. Just standard Lumagen. We swapped back after to check we weren't seeing things....His comment after we did it again..."Well, that wasn't subtle". I had to agree. I was surprised. The image looked sharper and more detailed, obviously. It was easily visible in his system. I asked if i could compare the two Radiance Pro's on the same material and we did that. The tone mapping and calibration improvements were obvious still with the 4242 over the N9 but again the image looked more detailed. He turned to me and asked,"You can see that too can't you?" I could. I'm now looking forward to getting out there to do some more demo's in a couple of weeks as i start to come out of my self imposed lock down. Hopefully the recipients of some of these 5348's may post their own findings when they get theirs.

Stay safe everyone!
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Some continuing feedback on the 5348 from "Gordon Fraser" and a few who have had it installed in their systems....                

 

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Couple of things to add to the thread. First off i installed another 5348 in to a system with an Arcam AV40 and Epson LS10000. Once again both myself and the client were surprised at the increase in video performance. Once i'd put it in and set it up, client had a 444x unit previously, we invited his wife to join us and we played some of her favourite pieces from the Hans Zimmer UHD disc. She noted the increased image and sound quality instantly. Which was luck for the client as she was not keen on him spending this sort of cash on a system that was already awesome....lol...
 
 
 
 
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I’m the person with the AV40 and Epson L S 10000 that Gordon installed a Lumagen 5348 and keces LPS.

I first heard about the new lumagen when Gordon was over in early January to install the new firmware in the arcam which I bought from him a few months earlier and recalibrate the Dirac which I am pleased to say is now totally stable and bug free in my system and to me sounds awesome thanks to Dirac and Gordon’s skill and experience in setting it up.

As I only have a 7.2 system don’t own a trinnov or 4K projector I didn’t think it would make a big enough difference to justify the cost, a view heartily endorsed by my wife who thought that trying one out would be a waste of Gordon’s time and our money!

Anyway after exchanging a few emails with Gordon I asked him to order one for me with the proviso that if it didn’t really add much he would take it back.
Initially we checked out the video only and although there was a discernible improvement in sharpness and detail the most striking improvement was in the depth and three dimensionality of the image. It made an already good projector look really stunning!

When we switched on the audio we were equally impressed with even greater transparency increased fine detail an even sweeter top end and tighter bass.
After a few more excerpts from a few more discs it was time to call in my wife who is an experienced musician and chorister. One of her favourite discs is Hans Zimmer Live in Prague. After a few tracks she said that she could hear a significant improvement in the sound than before and that the picture looked sharper. A clip from the greatest showman clinched it for her.

Over the last week we have both watched a lot of films and we both continue to be amazed at what the new lumagen has added to our audio visual experience. So much so that my wife said “ you were right and I was wrong, this is a significant improvement that’s worth having!” Chalk that one up eh. That was worth the money if nothing else!!??

I’m sure that those of you with 4K projectors and the likes of trinnov will find the new lumagen 5348 irresistible!

Thanks again Gordon for coming through for me with yet another significant and worthwhile upgrade to my system as you have done consistently in the 13 years I have been one of your clients.?

 

 

 

And a quote.....?

 
Lots of older radiances going to appear for sale soon then...hehe
 
 
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Another Lumagen user that upgraded from his 4242 to the 5348 and is over the moon... ?

 

 

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I’ve now had a chance to do some testing with the new lumagen. Firstly, massive thanks to @Gordon @ Convergent AV as per usual, great service!!

Ok, being honest I was pretty sceptical about the differences between the 4242 and the 5348. I thought, is it really worth the money? Will it really improve my audio? Even Jim Petersen had said you’d be unlikely to see the differences on video between the two.

So, why did I even bother buying one? Well, I had some budget out away for new speakers, but after testing some brands, I’ve decided to stick with my arendals as they certainly sound the best out of the ones I’ve tested......in other words, I had some cash burning a hole in my pocket!!

So how does the new 5348 stack up?

Video:

Obvious improvement over the 4242. This is even noticeable on the menu screens. Things are looking much sharper, brighter and the colours somehow look more solid.

When switching to movies, the limited testing in blu rays and 1080p show an amazing ability to upscale the image, the start of underwater for example, absolutely zero banding, amazing depth to the image, the underwater corridor looking like is disappears well beyond the start of my screen - basically it looks 3D. Massively reduced picture noise, the image just looks super clean.
Moving on to UHD discs, wow, the specular highlights and HDR grading is making me notice things I’d never seen before, even one scenes I’d seen loads of times. Clear definition between burning flames for example, being able to see each individual ones rather than just a collective. Amazing colour depth, zero noise, absolutely stunning colour accuracy. Everything just looks right. The start of quiet place, the image had always been good, but I wouldn’t put it down as reference as hit same some film grain in it, but the grain seems less obvious, I can even read the instructions on some of the medicines that AREN’T in shot....they’re in the background, but are crystal clear!!

Audio:

Audio is sometimes more of a difficult thing to judge, one persons nirvana isn’t necessarily great for the next person.

However, ever since I received the Zappiti, I’ve had an issue playing PCM audio, whichever route I try, the trinnov just doesn’t like the signal, I get only 2 channels in and never get any use of the centre channel. Trinnov have been trying to work it out, but can’t see any issue their end, so it just seemed like some sort of compatibility issue between the two units.

The 5348 is designed to clear up the digital noise within the audio signal, giving a better path through to the processor to work with the best source as possible.

I tested some FLAC and PCM audio last night, both of which weren’t working on Thursday when trinnov were on my unit for 2 hours. Well guess what? Not only it is working, it sound flipping phenomenal!!!

The above instance proves to me that the 5348 is now giving a better audio output signal to the trinnov to work with, this can only ever be a good thing and I’m now convinced everything will sound better and I’ve made a very wise purchase with the 5348.

Make no mistakes, this is a no expense spared video processor (with the keces power supply), but the results are obvious. For people thinking it is snake oil and all digital signals are the same, I can assure you that they aren’t!!
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Hi all. Have just got jvc nx7 and am considering adding lumagen. Is the free calibration and set up deal still in place. Apologies if this is wrong place to bring up. 

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45 minutes ago, MTC08 said:

Hi all. Have just got jvc nx7 and am considering adding lumagen. Is the free calibration and set up deal still in place. Apologies if this is wrong place to bring up. 

Cant hurt to ask though it would seem to be somewhat superceded by this package vvv which I assume covers audio calibration as well  if interested ? Can say there has been a hi end distributorship change up recently..

 

Home Cinema Promotion - Cogworks Distribution

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Hi Colin,

 

Message sent to you regarding your enquiry :)

 

regards

 

Adrian

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4 hours ago, Cogworks said:

Hi Colin,

 

Message sent to you regarding your enquiry :)

 

regards

 

Adrian

Thanks Adrian;  have sent a p.m.  

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A for effort, but for a review attempting to demonstrate the benefits and differences between two high end VP's,  the video (and audio) quality of the this YouTube clip is terrible 😖

 

Be great to see Lumagen or maybe even Cogworks (hint, hint) produce some marketing videos to demonstrate the benefits and improvements that can be had with these devices.

 

Thanks for sharing.

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From my time ( ownership)  with  both the 4242 and now my 5248 i can tell you whole heartedly that the 5348 is a VERY noticeable improvement in BOTH Audio and video.......its an awesome product!!   😊

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On 03/06/2021 at 3:07 PM, wooferocau said:

From my time ( ownership)  with  both the 4242 and now my 5248 i can tell you whole heartedly that the 5348 is a VERY noticeable improvement in BOTH Audio and video.......its an awesome product!!   😊

 

In terms of audio  performance  with the 4 series  Lumagen , users can use their existing pre/pro or AVR for switching and send only the video signal to Lumagen for processing.  This means that audio will only go to the pre/pro and not through the Lumagen. This should negate any potential negative  issues that the 4 series  Lumagen might have with audio.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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53 minutes ago, TP1 said:

 

In terms of audio  performance  with the 4 series  Lumagen , users can use their existing pre/pro or AVR for switching and send only the video signal to Lumagen for processing.  This means that audio will only go to the pre/pro and not through the Lumagen. This should negate any potential negative  issues that the 4 series  Lumagen might have with audio. 

Yes very good point  ; as well as having less components in the audio line  letting your prepro handle any jitter [its only as good as your pre pro or avr] . Potentially more hdmi inputs saving money as well as updated hdmi 2.1 ports if you are getting an upgrade . Will the 4 series pass all the 2.1 gaming features ? Is a software or even firmware upgrade on the cards for 4k/120 and higher bandwidths ? 

Maybe better to just separate gaming to another input and video process afterwards 👌

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Yes very good point  ; as well as having less components in the audio line  letting your prepro handle any jitter [its only as good as your pre pro or avr] . Potentially more hdmi inputs saving money as well as updated hdmi 2.1 ports if you are getting an upgrade . Will the 4 series pass all the 2.1 gaming features ? Is a software or even firmware upgrade on the cards for 4k/120 and higher bandwidths ? 

Maybe better to just separate gaming to another input and video process afterwards 👌

 

Don't know about future upgrades but the latest 4 series HDMI have 18 Ghz capacity so there shouldn't be any problem with gaming performance.  In terms of future upgrades, you could pose that question to Cogworks or Lumagen.

 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, TP1 said:

 

Don't know about future upgrades but the latest 4 series HDMI have 18 Ghz capacity so there shouldn't be any problem with gaming performance.  In terms of future upgrades, you could pose that question to Cogworks or Lumagen.

Thanks TPI ; the upgraded 18gbps card I see is perfect for the 40gbps bandwidth the xbox x puts out ; nothing else on the horizon that would need more and if that eventuates its a modular design for hdmi upgrades ..💪

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