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On 12/09/2020 at 5:55 PM, joz said:

Have had the house to myself today.

So it‚Äôs Dire Straits Mofi dayūüĎć
Purchased earlier this year, but first time out of their sealed plastic.
Exciting,but my BIA¬†has a factory built in skip on walk of life¬†ūüė•ūüė•

Absoutely gutted

Ive got the same skip too. I was hopeful a clean would fix it but seems unlikely.

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This  post inspired me to have a listen to the Dire Straits albums I have,  at over the weekend.   Unfortunately I don't have full sets of all of the versions to compare.   I have

I wrote the above a few days ago and I haven’t gone back to those 33rpm copies, but they are in excellent condition and I would not say just different, when compared to the MoFi 45rpm reissues, but to

There's definitely something peculiar going on here, because I have the original UK pressings of Love Over Gold, Dire Straits and Communique and several Australian pressings of those too, plus Austral

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1 minute ago, Cardiiiii said:

I think Selby might still have the set.

thanks Card!!!!! - Think i got enough exclamations in :D , will check in on them in the morning :) 

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Maybe a dumb question? I have all 5 on Mofi and yes they sound awesome in my opinion.


What about Alchemy or Live at the BBC, can these albums be remastered, or only studio albums can get Mofi treatment??

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16 minutes ago, Eagleeyes said:

Maybe a dumb question? I have all 5 on Mofi and yes they sound awesome in my opinion.


What about Alchemy or Live at the BBC, can these albums be remastered, or only studio albums can get Mofi treatment??

I'd buy these in a heart beat! 

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1 hour ago, Eagleeyes said:

Maybe a dumb question? I have all 5 on Mofi and yes they sound awesome in my opinion.


What about Alchemy or Live at the BBC, can these albums be remastered, or only studio albums can get Mofi treatment??

I’d be jumping for joy is Alchemy got the MoFi treatment. Given its already a 2LP recording I would harzard a guess the MoFi release would be a 33 too. 

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I have 3 records from 80s (Love over gold, Brothers in arms, self titled) 1 MOFI (Making movies) and 2 recent 33rpm records (Communique, On every street). 
I love the 80s records. New 33 rpm records sound great too. mofi overrated I think. Buy the records that fit your budget and enjoy. 

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well i rung selby... it seems they really dont know what they have...or can they find them :D  must be in a flap with covid...

 

but anyways said get back to me... with comment above am seriously thinking i just get the new 2020 pack and be done with it ... the mofi seems too hard :D 

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28 minutes ago, betty boop said:

well i rung selby... it seems they really dont know what they have...or can they find them :D  must be in a flap with covid...

 

but anyways said get back to me... with comment above am seriously thinking i just get the new 2020 pack and be done with it ... the mofi seems too hard :D 

Try Mark.  (08) 9386 8384 @Hydrology at Frank Prowse in Perth  I think they have or can get for you.

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6 minutes ago, Eagleeyes said:

at Frank Prowse in Perth  I think they have or can get for you.

that's a long way to a shop to get some rock and roll :)

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9 hours ago, turnthetable said:

 

that's a long way to a shop to get some rock and roll :)

Yes ! Thanks eagles eyed but might have a local option :D all respect to Frankprowse visited there some years ago, lovely people. Good the legend lives on. But last thing arriving from Perth via auspost took me a month :D no doubt did camel run across the nulabor hehe :) 

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On ‚Äé13‚Äé/‚Äé09‚Äé/‚Äé2020 at 11:09 PM, Cardiiiii said:

Ive got the same skip too. I was hopeful a clean would fix it but seems unlikely.

 

That's seriously disgusting for something that costs so much.....who presses MOFI's?

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11 minutes ago, stevoz said:

 

.....who presses MOFI's?

MoFi albums are pressed by Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, oddly.:lol:

 

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Keith

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6 minutes ago, cheekyboy said:

MoFi albums are pressed by Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, oddly.:lol:

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

I suspected that:)......they need to lift their game then.

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1 minute ago, stevoz said:

I suspected that:)......they need to lift their game then.

Yeah, it is disappointing, but I have dealt with them for a lot of years and if there is a production fault, they will replace the faulty piece/album. Joe just needs to get it back to the seller for a replacement............PITA yes, but that's all he can do.

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

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3 hours ago, betty boop said:

Yes ! Thanks eagles eyed but might have a local option :D all respect to Frankprowse visited there some years ago, lovely people. Good the legend lives on. But last thing arriving from Perth via auspost took me a month :D no doubt did camel run across the nulabor hehe :) 

on there web site not cheap $585 https://www.selby.com.au/brands/mobile-fidelity/dire-straits-mobile-fidelity-vinyl-record-bundle-900705.html

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2 minutes ago, myskylab said:

yes on their web site...just doesnt mean its in the store .... and yeah not cheap :D

 

ps they definitely dont have BIA, but then if its coming with factory built in skip not sure worth the bother :D

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39 minutes ago, kelossus said:

MOFI is pressed at RTI.

Yep, I think Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs developed the Ultra Disc format in conjunction with NEOTECH and RTI, so it would make sense that they would be pressed at RTI in California.

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

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This  post inspired me to have a listen to the Dire Straits albums I have,  at over the weekend.

 

Unfortunately I don't have full sets of all of the versions to compare.

 

I have the Mercury Box set from a few years ago, 3 of the Mofis ( still waiting for the last 2 to arrive), 3 of the Aussie Maxi-cuts, and 2 Uk 1st pressings.

 

I didn't get enough time to listen to everything, nor were they blinded tests, volume matched , etc, so my thoughts are just based on my preferences for what I enjoyed most, through a fairly reasonable vinyl front end that I think is able to show up the differences between pressings/etc.

 

First foremost, they all sounded pretty good. These albums have been mastered and recorded well, so any version will probably sound fine until you start comparing them.

 

The least enjoyable for me was the box set. They were clean, quiet, well pressed, but compared to the other versions were a bit dull.

 

The Mofi's were beautifully pressed - quiet, black backgrounds, and a wide ,deep soundstage with a natural but well extended lower end. The overall presentation was a little laid back and relaxed. A downside was having to get up more often to change sides.

 

There's often something special about 1st pressings, and the 2 that I had ( Dire Straits and Love Over Gold) didn't disappoint. While they were noisier than the Mofis and lacked the soundstage and bass extension, there was something about the vocals and guitars that I felt the Mofi's didnt quite capture.  

 

The Aussie Maxicuts were outstanding. A more forward presentation than the Mofis, though a less developed soundstage, and less low end. 

 

If I could compare the two, the Mofis made me want to sit back with a glass of red , light the fire, and listen long into the night, while the Maxicuts made me feel like having a beer or 3 and really cranking up the volume. The Mofis did everything right, and ticked every audiophile box, but the Maxicuts were just a bit more fun. The 1st pressings were closer to the Maxicuts,  and if I could get hold of clean mint copies with no surface noise, that would be an interesting comparison.

 

Others might find this controversial, but for me, it's difficult to pick between the Mofis and the Maxicuts , as their presentation is quite different, but both very enjoyable.  I'd love to get a set of UK 1st pressings in perfect condition,as I suspect I may prefer them to the maxi cuts. 

 

If value for money is important, and I had to pick just 1 set, it would probably be the Maxicuts, as they can often be found on discogs, or here via our own @candyflip for much less than the Mofis or the UK 1st pressings. The Mofis sound very very good, and do give you those silent black backgrounds that can be very hard to find with secondhand records.

 

if I was buying new, I'd get the Mofis over the box set ( assuming the new set is similar to the last one), but if you're also looking secondhand, and can find copies of the Maxicuts or 1st pressings in close to perfect condition, then I think the choice is more difficult.

 

Cheers

 

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Great summary @pine weasel. Thank you.

 

Keith has a couple of 1st pressings (uk and aust).

 

Im sure you're well catered for in this dept, but @Hydrology has a commercial record cleaning business that could restore some condition of your 1st pressings.

 

 

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Does anyone else find these 45rpm releases an overall gimmick to sell the same albums over and over and over and over?

 

If albums were originally released on 45 rpm with 2 songs per side, vinyl would never had made a comeback as spinning vinyl would be a complete PITA when you only have 10 minutes per side.. I certainly would not be still buying vinyl.

 

If Mofi were really interested in sound, they  should release each album as 12 inch singles - 4 to 5 x  12 inch vinyl per release - they could then run the mastering a lot hotter with better dynamics and sound.   Why go half way when you can go the whole way :party

 

Classic records did this when they released Stairway to Heaven as a 12 inch freebie when you bought the large suitcase Led Zep collection.  Anyone who has heard it says the best Stairway sound ever.

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1 minute ago, metal beat said:

Does anyone else find these 45rpm releases an overall gimmick?

Definitely.

 

I thought it was just me but this seems to me to be a thought bubble from a marketing  team member.

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37 minutes ago, metal beat said:

If albums were originally released on 45 rpm with 2 songs per side, vinyl would never had made a comeback as spinning vinyl would be a complete PITA when you only have 10 minutes per side

It's why I had to upgrade my Linn. I had one album that wouldn't play. Brand new 180gm and it sounded like sh*t, slow as buggery. Then I realised it was a 45 rpm.

 

Even then I didn't realise there were 4 vinyl in the gatefold...what the...

 

So I call it my (naughty word that you cannot say here and it doesn't start with F but it is four letters) C.O.A.T. whenever I play it(it's a good album and gets a play regularly) but there's no denying it is a coat(naughty word Of A Thing) as it's my only 45 and the upgrade to the Mober was always based upon being able to play that one album.

 

It remains my only 45rpm and is a testament to my lack of awareness and as you and  RT say also to marketing gimmickery.

 

*(actually I think the thing is 200gm) Crazy stuff.

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interesting, and everyone's mileage may vary.

 

The DS Mofi's sound the best of the range of DS I have.  Including some Japanese releases..

 

Similarly - the Supertramp Crime of the Century Mofi release would be very hard to beat.  Perhaps its just my system..

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7 minutes ago, scuzzii said:

interesting, and everyone's mileage may vary.

 

The DS Mofi's sound the best of the range of DS I have.  Including some Japanese releases..

 

Similarly - the Supertramp Crime of the Century Mofi release would be very hard to beat.  Perhaps its just my system..

Everyone‚Äôs mileage may vary (a term I‚Äôve only recently become aware of actually) but if these¬†45rpm Dire Straits albums are just a gimmick and spinning them is a complete PITA, it is indeed odd that they are selling faster then they can be pressed.ūüė≤

 

Cheers,

 

Keith

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Hey Guys

 

Not saying these albums don't sound good remastered @ 45rpm and that if you really want them you shouldn't spend your hard earned on them  - but they would sound better as 12 inch singles if sound quality was the true end game.     Where does one stop?   

 

I have original pressings of all the DS albums and I am happy with these as they always sounded excellent - I got a few of the Pallas Grundman reissues a few years back - different but not better.    Pine Weasel compared in his system and the mofi were not necessarily the best sounding in every respect.

 

   

   

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If you’re just a fan then the SQ may not be worth the extra coin. But if like me, you love the band  then it definitely is. After all, you don’t have to buy each and every MoFi/AP release out there. 

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2 hours ago, rantan said:

Definitely.

 

I thought it was just me but this seems to me to be a thought bubble from a marketing  team member.

How do you figure that?

 

There is a clear sonic advantage to 45rpm over 33rpm so for a company like Mofi whose business model is based on releasing a higher quality pressing why wouldn't you do so as a 45rpm?

If anything what doesn't make sense is releasing an audiophile pressing as a 33rpm.

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4 minutes ago, Martykt said:

How do you figure that?

 

There is a clear sonic advantage to 45rpm over 33rpm so for a company like Mofi whose business model is based on releasing a higher quality pressing why wouldn't you do so as a 45rpm?

If anything what doesn't make sense is releasing an audiophile pressing as a 33rpm.

Well if anything it would have been nice to release both 33 and 45. I do feel a bit lazy sometimes. 

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2 hours ago, metal beat said:

Does anyone else find these 45rpm releases an overall gimmick to sell the same albums over and over and over and over?

 

If albums were originally released on 45 rpm with 2 songs per side, vinyl would never had made a comeback as spinning vinyl would be a complete PITA when you only have 10 minutes per side.. I certainly would not be still buying vinyl.

If you find changing a record over such a hassle why even bother with vinyl?

 

Personally no I don't find 45rpm a gimmick.

I listen to vinyl as I'm after the absolute best sound quality that I can achieve so if given the choice all of my albums would be 45rpm.

 

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4 minutes ago, Cardiiiii said:

Well if anything it would have been nice to release both 33 and 45. I do feel a bit lazy sometimes. 

At least you're honest about it !! :D 
 

You do get companies like Analogue Productions that quite often release their albums in both 33 and 45 to cater to all.

I don't have an issue with this except when they accidentally send me the wrong 33rpm version.... :emot-bang:

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1 hour ago, Martykt said:

If you find changing a record over such a hassle why even bother with vinyl?

 

Personally no I don't find 45rpm a gimmick.

I listen to vinyl as I'm after the absolute best sound quality that I can achieve so if given the choice all of my albums would be 45rpm.

 

 

I find it ruins the flow of the album than the getting up and down  - I have over 6000 albums, so I do bother with vinyl and anyone knowing me will attest sound quality matters. 

But not endless copies of the same albums that already sound excellent, although like most of us I do have many album multiples, but generally only when I am not happy with the copy I have.

 

You would be happy double your real estate of vinyl just to hear it on 45rpm.  How many albums are you doubling?

 

 If you really want the best sound quality - release all albums as 12 inch singles @ 45rpm - that would be the best.

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16 hours ago, scuzzii said:

Great summary @pine weasel. Thank you.

 

Keith has a couple of 1st pressings (uk and aust).

 

Im sure you're well catered for in this dept, but @Hydrology has a commercial record cleaning business that could restore some condition of your 1st pressings.

 

 

Thanks @scuzzi

 

They've all been through the Audiodeske a few times, so are probably as good as they're ever going to be.

 

Like almost any used album of that vintage, they're not perfect - the very occasional pop or tic, and some subtle surface noise. As someone who "grew up" with CDs in the 80s and 90s, I still find that annoying and it can detract from my enjoyment of the music.  That's certainly where the Mofis show their strengths, as the ones I have are beautifully pressed and deathly quiet.

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With regards to the Mofi 45s in general , I agree that getting up to change sides more often is a bit of  a pain, and it does interrupt the flow of the album.

 

With some, I've find it definitely worthwhile for the benefit in sound quality. The Dylan Mofi 45s, for example, sound absolutely superb, and I think the cost of finding NM copies of originals of those albums from the 60s would be prohibitive. People who have done comparisons with the orignals ( such as Fremer) have rated the Mofis as being far superior in sound quality.

 

I'm always hoping that Mofi could work with the U2 and REM back catalogues, as to me, the originals never sounded that great, and so I'd be happy with 45 versions if they could improve the sonics.

 

With the Dire Straits albums, the readily available Maxciuts and slightly harder to find UK first pressings sound very good already, and are 33rpm, so the benefits of the Mofi 45s are not as substantial.

 

I found the Mofis much quieter, but to me, their overall presentation was different rather then better. I love those albums, and so am happy to have multiple versions,  but I think you can get a long way there with less expensive versions than the Mofis because they were done extremely well to start with.

 

 

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1 hour ago, metal beat said:

 

I find it ruins the flow of the album than the getting up and down

Everything is a compromise so if flow of the album is more important to you than outright sq then fair enough.

 

1 hour ago, metal beat said:

 

You would be happy double your real estate of vinyl just to hear it on 45rpm.  How many albums are you doubling

Unfortunately my collection is nowhere near 6000 strong so space requirements is not a big issue for me but to answer your question yes if a particular pressing sounds better then I'm happy for it to take up extra space.

 

Generally speaking I'll just go straight to the 45 over the 33 except in the situation where a particular 33 pressing has been mastered better.

I do have a few albums doubled up though I'm not the type of person to buy every pressing available and if I upgrade I'm happy to sell on my lesser pressings.

 

1 hour ago, metal beat said:

If you really want the best sound quality - release all albums as 12 inch singles @ 45rpm - that would be the best.

Singles @ 45rpm are still a 45rpm track so generally speaking the main advantage of a 12" single 45 is that it allows for an extended mix unless the 45 album happens to have had its tracks squeezed to fit everything in (which is more common among 33s).
I do happen to have 3 Peter Gabriel Classic Records Red Boxes which are all single sided 45 records (like the Led Zep crate) which are the exception done as a no compromise (sq-wise) release.

 

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