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I have noticed a few individuals are curious about the madVR Envy Video Processor  so will post a little info that may be of interest.

 

I am a current Beta tester of the madVR Envy Extreme Video Processor. I own the madVR ENVY EXTREME , Lumagen 4242 18ghz and a HTPC with madVR . Projector is a JVC DLA Z1.

 

Many will know of the madVR  software that is used on a PC in order to process video content. madVR is well known for its UN-rivalled  video UP-Scaling as well as it superb Dynamic Tone Mapping . 

Many would like to use this software but are put toff by the fact that you can only  use it with a PC and you have no facility of using a HDMI input for content.

 

The  madVR Envy  Processor is basically madVR software inter-grated into dedicated PC platform with HDMI connectivity and using a very very well designed GUI ( user interface) . It purpose is SOLELY video processing .  Unlike a PC to which can be temperamental and very frustrating to the end user, the ENVY is designed to be 100% reliable and VERY easy to setup and use.

 

Setup..... This is a HUGE strong point of the ENVY.    Basically  as it comes "out of the box"  the only parameter you need to input is the "Light Output" available at your screen ( for  projectors of course)  . There are other user options available of course , but with just the one setting input  you will get a very good image straight off the bat.   This is a HUGE advantage over the Lumagen Video Processor.. The lumagen  will obviously give you an image with minimal user settings BUT it is a VERY complex processor that really demands setup via someone with experience. OR you are willing to undertake a large learning curve.

 

DTM.....  Dynamic Tone Mapping on the Envy is superb ...again "straight of the bat"    . You have the option to choose  varying parameters that are self explanatory   for user preference in their setup.

 

UP-Scaling..   madVR,s Up_Scaling is UN- rivalled   , thus so to is the Envy,s Up_Scaling.......  Up-Scaling is very important to some ( Myself included) ...The NGU  Algo,s used in the Envy  can take native 1080P content to the point of rivalling true  Native 4K ...its that good.

 

Ease of use.... Honestly...I really dont know how it could be any easier to setup ....then once set...it basically unnecessary to do anything other than "Turn it on" . 

 

Noise..   Its basically "silent"   ...there is effectively no audible noise form it  . You do have the option to  increase the internal fan speeds for extra cooling IF you place it in a very confined location.....EG ..Rack Mount. Even then, fan noise is very minimal.

  

Size....   Big...  4RU size...  Similar to the size of a medium AVR .

  

Comparisons...  Obviously the Lumagen is  a direct competitor .    From my point of view ( and owner and  user of both)  i really think the Envy offers the end user the better package.  Ease of setup / Ease of Use /  DTM and Up-Scaling performance .

 

You CAN purchase either an ENVY PRO or ENVY Extreme now....    My good friend was so impressed with the Envy he just ordered the Envy PRO to use with his SONY 760ES.

 

For most users the ENVY PRO  will provide DTM and UP-Scaling to a VERY VERY high standard.  

 

If anyone  any questions ( other than pricing)  please ask here and i can hopefully answer.    For pricing , i can give anybody interested a direct contact to Richard at madVR and he can follow that up with you.

 

Below are some screenshots of the GUI and my Envy in my Equipment rack ...

 

 

  

 

 

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My interest is in the Lumagen but am always open for alternatives if it’s a better option. My plans are to purchase a Lumagen just after Xmas but if this is a better option due to the fact I would not need anyone to set it up for me then I would go with it as I live far from the city..I Would love to chat with Richard about such matters if it would help. You still have your avpa1hd I see, I still have mine too.Great piece of gear.The Envy def looks the part.

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1 hour ago, drummerboy01 said:

My interest is in the Lumagen but am always open for alternatives if it’s a better option. My plans are to purchase a Lumagen just after Xmas but if this is a better option due to the fact I would not need anyone to set it up for me then I would go with it as I live far from the city..I Would love to chat with Richard about such matters if it would help. You still have your avpa1hd I see, I still have mine too.Great piece of gear.The Envy def looks the part.

My opinion....

 

Unless you are capable yourself OR intend to utilise a "Professional" Calibrator"  to setup the Lumagen .....it  is not for you.

 

The Envy is one of the most "User Friendly", "Self explanatory" pieces of AV equipment i have ever used... 

 

Performance...... As i stated above i own all three options ( Lumagen / Envy / madVR HTPC)  if you are after the  absolute  pinnacle of image quality available at this moment in time....the Envy ( and madVR HTPC of course) is it...simple as that.

 

PM me your number if you would like a chat...

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Thanks Wooferocau for the informative post. I wasn't aware the Envy was available for purchase already. 

 

Can you tell us more about the differences between the Pro and Extreme versions? 

If i was using madvr already as a HTPC with a RTX 2070 card, would it be similar to the Envy Pro in visual quality? (I'm aware that the Envy is applicable to all sources and is plug and play)

 

I am also considering a lumagen with the caveat it get's installed by an experienced calibrator and I assume is "set and forget" after it's done and then act like the Madvr Envy. 

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22 minutes ago, hifiman said:

Thanks Wooferocau for the informative post. I wasn't aware the Envy was available for purchase already. 

 

Can you tell us more about the differences between the Pro and Extreme versions? 

If i was using madvr already as a HTPC with a RTX 2070 card, would it be similar to the Envy Pro in visual quality? (I'm aware that the Envy is applicable to all sources and is plug and play)

 

I am also considering a lumagen with the caveat it get's installed by an experienced calibrator and I assume is "set and forget" after it's done and then act like the Madvr Envy. 

At this moment in time the differences between the Pro and Extreme are very negotiable ......Future planned Algo,s that require more GPU power will allow the Extreme to run higher settings than the Pro.

 

I have the Extreme myself and my good friend has just ordered the Pro ( 4 days away from Aus) as it will basically run the exact same current  Algo,s as on my Extreme with very similar quality settings.

 

The Envy is a little different in the way the Algo,s are structured to the madVR PC.  Envy uses a "Database"  and will auto configure the highest quality Algo,s / settings depending on content.....so its more efficient in optimising the GPU power it has.

 

Depending on your madVR config,  you will equal or exceed with the Envy Pro what you obtain with the RTX 2070 with madVR PC. .

 

A VERY important aspect to consider..... Mathias ( madVR ) will be implementing more efficient/higher quality Algo,s to BOTH Envy Pro and Extreme that will NOT be available to madVR PC..  

 

Yes the Lumagen is most definatley "set and forget" after setup / calibration......  BUT if you want the utmost in image quality  ............well ......... there is a reason my Lumagen spends most of its time "Gathering " dust!  I usually only bring it out for testing / comparisons. 😉

 

 

 

 

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Regards the upscaling, not to mention Sony projectors reality creation (especially with their Mastered for 4k Blu Rays) I'm realizing the Panasonic was a bad idea with no source direct... I do have an oppo 203 but I have that left on region A. When I get the Envy I'll have to rethink. Maybe I'll just set it to 1080p only and just use it for region b Blu Ray. I find the subtitles adjustment on the Panasonic too hard to do without! Be nice if someone else added luminance control.

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31 minutes ago, Mobe1969 said:

Regards the upscaling, not to mention Sony projectors reality creation (especially with their Mastered for 4k Blu Rays) I'm realizing the Panasonic was a bad idea with no source direct... I do have an oppo 203 

The Oppo 203 -205 are a perfect choice for the Envy as they output near perfect Chroma as well as having the all important "Source Direct" ......  From what i understand the SONY Blu-ray players also have a "Source Direct" mode.

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48 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

The Oppo 203 -205 are a perfect choice for the Envy as they output near perfect Chroma as well as having the all important "Source Direct" ......  From what i understand the SONY Blu-ray players also have a "Source Direct" mode.

Yeah. I am pondering pulling my oppo 103 out of mothballs to use for region B. But I really LOVE the Panasonic subtitle adjustment. I use both the oppo and panasonic for UHDs at the moment, and oppo for region a and pana for region B. But when I get the Envy I guess I can just use the Panasonic for region B, so set it to 1080p only in config.

 

Panasonic have really dropped the ball though as far as firmware. First it was the Lionsgate Dolby vision issues, and now the Ghost in the Shell DV is causing image flickering. And they have newer firmware shipping on new units that they haven't released for existing customers. They are starting to tick off a lot of people.

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4 hours ago, Mobe1969 said:

Panasonic have really dropped the ball though as far as firmware. First it was the Lionsgate Dolby vision issues, and now the Ghost in the Shell DV is causing image flickering. And they have newer firmware shipping on new units that they haven't released for existing customers. They are starting to tick off a lot of people.

 

Forget Panasonic  - they will never provide the service you want.   Oppo 203 + Linear PSU gives a better picture anyway.   As for multi-region,  just do the mod to the 203 -   it works like a charm.   

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panasonic geting in touch with them for service will talk to a customer service rep who wont know what talking about no matter its a disc player and not a microwave oven...yep speaking from personal experience here. gave up asking them...

 

clearly oppo is EOL for support as far as optimisation. but they seem to keep working, can probably buy mod kit from overseas. for 203 its just take lid off and plug it in. and i use on my 205 (which isnt take lid off and plug in) but she in use to change region. though i just use my oppo on region A and use pana for region B

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On the Q&A side of it, when you have the envy in the path, what it the setup you should have on projectors / and player? Say for Sony projector, do you just leave it on HDR Auto, or do you put it to BT2020 and gamma 2.4 and then for 1080p material change from BT2020 to 709??

10 minutes ago, TP1 said:

 

 

Forget Panasonic  - they will never provide the service you want.   Oppo 203 + Linear PSU gives a better picture anyway.   As for multi-region,  just do the mod to the 203 -   it works like a charm.   

Yeah. I do have the region mod, but gee it is slow to switch!

 

Plus like I said, I really like the Panasonic subtitle control....

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from the madVR website

 

"MSRP for the Envy Pro Cinema is slated for $9,979 and $5,499 for the Envy base model." 

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5 hours ago, Mobe1969 said:

 put it to BT2020 and gamma 2.4 and then for 1080p material change from BT2020 to 709??

 

 

 

Basically as you stated , i have 2 profiles set on my Z1......One for 4K UHD using BT 2020 and 2.4 gamma and a second profile for 1080P using Rec 709 and 2.4 gamma.

 

Output resolution of the Oppo is set at "Source Direct"   and 4:2:2  10 Bit. 

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5 hours ago, TP1 said:

 

 

Forget Panasonic  - they will never provide the service you want.   Oppo 203 + Linear PSU gives a better picture anyway.   

Agree..... i have the Oppo Mod Linear PSU in my 203 ....very worthwhile upgrade.  My UB9000 sits idle gathering dust.

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4 hours ago, Johnny_Boy said:

from the madVR website

 

"MSRP for the Envy Pro Cinema is slated for $9,979 and $5,499 for the Envy base model." 

Is the Pro Cinema the Extreme and the base model the Pro as per their 'model comparison'?

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13 minutes ago, lucmor444 said:

Is the Pro Cinema the Extreme and the base model the Pro as per their 'model comparison'?

 

EnvyModelComparison.pdf

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13 minutes ago, lucmor444 said:

Is the Pro Cinema the Extreme and the base model the Pro as per their 'model comparison'?

From what i understand the current RRP  ( USD ) in the US  is ............Envy Extreme $12K.................. and............. Envy Pro $8K 

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37 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

Basically as you stated , i have 2 profiles set on my Z1......One for 4K UHD using BT 2020 and 2.4 gamma and a second profile for 1080P using Rec 709 and 2.4 gamma.

 

Output resolution of the Oppo is set at "Source Direct"   and 4:2:2  10 Bit. 

Ok cool I thought that might be the case. That is how I had my projector setup prior to getting the Panasonic, when I was just running a custom curve.

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4 hours ago, wooferocau said:

Agree..... i have the Oppo Mod Linear PSU in my 203 ....very worthwhile upgrade.  My UB9000 sits idle gathering dust.

 

Ive been meaning to ask, have you tried an LPSU with Lumagen or Envy?   I have been  pretty impressed through using  high quality audio PSU's  with Lumagen as well as  with Zappiti . 

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11 hours ago, wooferocau said:

Agree..... i have the Oppo Mod Linear PSU in my 203 ....very worthwhile upgrade.  My UB9000 sits idle gathering dust.

Hmm so the psu mod improves video too somehow? Not just analog audio? I wonder how? I might check it out.

 

I think I will just be using the Panasonic for region b shortly...

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8 hours ago, TP1 said:

 

Ive been meaning to ask, have you tried an LPSU with Lumagen or Envy?   I have been  pretty impressed through using  high quality audio PSU's  with Lumagen as well as  with Zappiti . 

No, but both my Lumagen and Envy run in conjunction with power conditioning  in various forms.  ( extensive and expensive!) 😊

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44 minutes ago, wooferocau said:

No, but both my Lumagen and Envy run in conjunction with power conditioning  in various forms.  ( extensive and expensive!) 😊

Which Linear PSU mod did you get for the oppo? There seems to be many variants about - and some seem to disable analog (which isn't an issue for me)?

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9 minutes ago, Mobe1969 said:

Which Linear PSU mod did you get for the oppo? There seems to be many variants about - and some seem to disable analog (which isn't an issue for me)?

 

http://www.oppomod.com

UDP-203/205 LPM SE - $360

This is the 'Special Edition' version of our Linear Power Module for the new Oppo UDP-203/205 4k players.

The highest audio grade low ESR Nichicon KW series electrolytic capacitors are used.

Multiple all discrete Schottky barrier diodes are now used throughout. The lower voltage drop of the diodes provides higher switching speed and better system efficiency, while producing less heat, EMI and switching noise.

Wima film and tantalum capacitors are included for regulator IC buffering and impendence matching. Audio grade 2A fuse is included.

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For all that is interested in the Envy here is a copy of an Email i received from Richard at Envy in regards to purchasing one of these in Australia. Big thanks to Wooferocau for setting this up and for the phone call.

 

Hi Alan - Very nice to meet you, and thank you so much for your interest in Envy. We are working on distribution in AU right now and we hope to have a high quality dealer that can sell you a unit within the next couple weeks. I cannot quote prices since that is up to the dealer. However so that I am not leaving you hanging, I can tell you that the MSRP without VAT in Europe is 5,600 EUR for the Pro. However - just fair notice that this is going up significantly once the pre-release pricing ends on Sep 30 and our official MSRP (not yet announced, but will be soon) goes into effect. I cannot promise or say how this EUR MSRP will translate into the AU market - for instance there may be duties/fees that need to be added in or other such operational adjustments based on AU business. But this should give you a ROUGH idea. I think it will work out very competitively priced to the competition, tho not by design.

Are you willing to buy an Envy blind if a demo cannot be arranged? This can certainly help in finding a dealer more quickly, if they know they are able to have a sale on the book from day 1 without having to worry they will bring in a unit and maybe the customer may not move forward, etc.

Please allow us some time to connect you with a dealer that can service and support you with this. In the meantime I've attached the Envy user manual which you may like to look through, to see how easy it is to set up. Likewise here is a Thank You note from an end user who couldn't wait for his dealer to install it and did it himself, to give you an idea of what that is like:

“I just wanted to let you know, I got the Envy installed and very roughly set up.  For my lack of knowledge about these things, I can’t believe how easily it went.  I basically turned it on, told it I have an anamorphic lens (Panamorph), and adjusted the image borders slightly, and let her rip, leaving all other settings where they were out of the box.  All I can say is…incredible!  We finally watched a movie last night — The Equalizer (with Denzel) in 4K.  It was like seeing it again for the first time.  The picture was just stunning — the color, contrast and image brightness were just perfect.  I lost track of the times I said to my wife, “Just look at that!”  What an improvement over the last viewing.  Thoroughly enjoyable.  Thanks to you all for such a great, easy to use product.  I can’t imagine how it all would look after being set up by someone who actually knows what they’re doing.” Then a few days later: “And Richard, this thing continues to impress.  Not only is the picture incredible, it’s actually making my system even less hands on — I love the way the aspect ratio changes as needed on the fly and does it quickly and perfectly.  I basically turn it and the projector on and don’t touch them again until I turn them off.  And I expect it will only get better... Thanks again!” – Mark J.

Regards,

 

Richard Litofsky

 

 

 

 

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BTW, for anyone else like me who was concerned that the MadVR envy was basically just a MadVR PC and what that entails - eg full windows PC and all the trappings, anyhow, it is running a locked down version of Windows and does not get windows updates. It isn't a windows OS with a desktop, sort of like Windows Server Core but lighter.

 

I just thought I'd share, as my day today has been turned to BLEEP by microsoft forcing out some updates to our prod servers - I think it was azure forcing some updates, but anyhow it has screwed up server level certificates on several of our services so far.  This whole year has been a nightmare from windows updates.

 

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