Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 3, 2021 Volunteer Share Posted February 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: What makes it useless? Works fine for me here's my man Van (no top tracks visible at all - I know I don't like him but he must have some good stuff) Here's Fleetwood Mac (only from one album? Surely they have more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 3, 2021 Volunteer Share Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: tend to only search for basic things ... use focus more. https://community.roonlabs.com/t/how-can-i-easily-find-a-song-by-an-artist/87379/27 ” The use-case is that I know the artist and the track name but not the album. Unless the album happens to be already in my library it can be fiendishly difficult to find the track” Edited February 3, 2021 by sir sanders zingmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 46 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: I tend to only search for basic things ... use focus more. I have used Focus on occasion, because search is too limited. I don’t like the way it works, though. It presents a screenful of useless (for me) options, and I have to scroll sideways to find meaningful criteria all the way on the right edge. I suppose there are people who browse music by pie charts or bar graphs, but that’s just not me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awayward Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, sir sanders zingmore said: here's my man Van (no top tracks visible at all - I know I don't like him but he must have some good stuff) Here's Fleetwood Mac (only from one album? Surely they have more) I’m sure you know this, but the top Main Albums section is from what’s in your library, then the appearances in your library, then the next Main Albums section all the albums from Tidal, in my case anyway, do you stream from Tidal or Qobuz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Here's the video from Roon announcing some of the features of v1.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 3, 2021 Volunteer Share Posted February 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, awayward said: I’m sure you know this, but the top Main Albums section is from what’s in your library, then the appearances in your library, then the next Main Albums section all the albums from Tidal, in my case anyway, do you stream from Tidal or Qobuz? Yes, but I was referring to top tracks which is completely missing 1 hour ago, Steffen said: I have used Focus on occasion, because search is too limited. I don’t like the way it works, though. It presents a screenful of useless (for me) options, and I have to scroll sideways to find meaningful criteria all the way on the right edge. I suppose there are people who browse music by pie charts or bar graphs, but that’s just not me. As far as I know, Focus is limited to only stuff in your library, so it's useless if you are looking for stuff in Tidal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awayward Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: Yes, but I was referring to top tracks which is completely missing Probably because you don’t have any albums in your library, I’d guess it is the most played from your library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Steffen said: I have used Focus on occasion, because search is too limited. I don’t like the way it works, though. It presents a screenful of useless (for me) options, and I have to scroll sideways to find meaningful criteria all the way on the right edge. I suppose there are people who browse music by pie charts or bar graphs, but that’s just not me. Hopefully it is improved in 1.8 (sideways scrolling be gone) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 3, 2021 Volunteer Share Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, awayward said: Probably because you don’t have any albums in your library, I’d guess it is the most played from your library. . To me, 'top tracks" is where you go for recommendations for the top tracks by an artist. If it is 'most played from your library" then perhaps they should call it that. In any event it is very unclear what it actually is. Even to Roon themselves when I have asked on their forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrSK Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 If they manage to get it working with Sonos again for my Lowfi side of the house I'd be happy. Sonos have washed their hands of trying to fix it and blame Roon. And I'm not getting anywhere with Roon. Stopped working a couple of weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 @DrSK I pretty much chucked all my Sonos gear when they decided they would EoL everything and it was clear that they will never support hi-res audio. There was some short term pain, but I find a $200 Raspberry Pi with a DAC HAT on it is better than a Sonos Connect / Port. I've replaced my Sonos Playbar with a Bluesound Pulse Soundbar and my Connect:AMPs with used Powernodes which have *way* more grunt than the Sonos equivalents ever did. Best of all, I'm running RAAT everywhere so there's a lot more options in terms of endpoints than there were being just stuck with Sonos Net. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrSK Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, BugPowderDust said: @DrSK I pretty much chucked all my Sonos gear when they decided they would EoL everything and it was clear that they will never support hi-res audio. There was some short term pain, but I find a $200 Raspberry Pi with a DAC HAT on it is better than a Sonos Connect / Port. I've replaced my Sonos Playbar with a Bluesound Pulse Soundbar and my Connect:AMPs with used Powernodes which have *way* more grunt than the Sonos equivalents ever did. Best of all, I'm running RAAT everywhere so there's a lot more options in terms of endpoints than there were being just stuck with Sonos Net. Had that frustration, although Sonos backtracked on that alot after the backlash. Sonos is mostly kids bedrooms, wife's office and kitchen, so 3 Sonos Ones and 2 Play 5s. Personally I can't stand music out of them. Still that's $2400 or so plus $600 or so for the Connect.. The Connect I'm just using as a streamer to a far better DAC (Klein III) in my second system (Lenehan ML1 Reference and Redgum rgi60enr) where it is useful to integrate with those other areas. The system location is compromised acoustically but meets WAF for lounge duties. The preout of the amp also goes back into the Connect which can then send same music to the rest of the Sonos devices without any loss in quality given the limitations of Sonos speakers anyway. Happy to ditch the party trick off the preout, but looking for an alternative streamer to the Connect? Second system is supposed to be an inexpensive one. I'd just be happy however if Roon to Sonos started working again. Edited February 4, 2021 by DrSK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepthought Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) It looks like the developers have been very busy behind the scenes. I'll be sure to make a backup of my database prior to upgrading though - the last major upgrade corrupted my database. Edited February 5, 2021 by deepthought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, deepthought said: I'll be sure to make a backup of my database prior to upgrading though - the last major upgrade corrupted my database. Yes, definitely do a backup before upgrading. I’ve got nightly backups scheduled to occur every four days. Just looking at the backup folder, it’s 3.8GB in size, for just the last 10 backups. I wonder what on earth they keep in there? Much of it is likely the huge directory structure itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deepthought Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Steffen said: Yes, definitely do a backup before upgrading. I’ve got nightly backups scheduled to occur every four days. Just looking at the backup folder, it’s 3.8GB in size, for just the last 10 backups. I wonder what on earth they keep in there? Much of it is likely the huge directory structure itself. Yes those backups are massive. I find myself having to cull old ones once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I just hope they fix the stability issues in the remote on IOS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steffen Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, BugPowderDust said: I just hope they fix the stability issues in the remote on IOS Amen to that. A complete rewrite (using native SDKs) would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewantsmoore Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Brian (CTO) replied to say that Roon Radio sidebar can not be hidden in the new v1.8 ..... but that it "does take up a lot less space, especially when disabled". So..... Yay! .... Ummm.... Grumble. <shrug> We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensway Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 My first experience with Roon has been... let's say, a little unsettling. I signed up for a trial, eagerly checked which of my devices were compatible, downloaded the software, went through the process to set up a "Roon core" on my PC, and after enabling a few Roon devices on my network, the app crashed and then refused to open. - Restarted PC - Uninstalled/reinstalled - Graphics drivers are up to date - No firewall/antivirus software getting in the way - reinstalling the software leads to the same result I'm suspecting that there is a device on my network that is freaking Roon out. I'll do some digging and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 It’s unlikely it will be something else on the network if it’s crashing the core. What OS are you installing on and what are the specs of the core machine? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensway Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 I think you're right, it's not my network, it's probably a poor/corrupted file and Roon may have a strange way of handling it. I've determined this by completely wiping Roon and all database from the computer. Then when re-adding my music back in, Roon cracks it. I'll have to add each folder back, one by one, to see which one is the culprit. Windows 10 Core i7-7700 CPU NVIDIA GTX 1080 GPU 16GB RAM NVME SSD All fairly standard stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BugPowderDust Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Look for your logs under your room installation. Dig in and find the Roonserver logs and look for the one with the newest time stamp. The file will be a txt file that’s human readable. See: https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/database-location#Windows_Core Make a note of the time that Roon crashes and take a read of the logs and see if you can find anything useful in there to help diagnose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 6, 2021 Volunteer Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 03/02/2021 at 2:46 PM, sir sanders zingmore said: But really, the things I most want are: - spotify integration (never gonna happen, I know) - Portable Roon or failing that, two-way playlist updates between Roon and Tidal/Qoboz - decent treatment of classical music (this seems to be on the cards, lets see how they go) - The ability to pipe in other digital sources (eg CD player) no portable Roon I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jensway Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 7 hours ago, BugPowderDust said: Look for your logs under your room installation. Dig in and find the Roonserver logs and look for the one with the newest time stamp. The file will be a txt file that’s human readable. See: https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/database-location#Windows_Core Make a note of the time that Roon crashes and take a read of the logs and see if you can find anything useful in there to help diagnose. Bam, you resolved it. I had a rogue file, and the log helped me catch it. Thank you. Now I'm in business. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PassionForSound Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Jensway said: I think you're right, it's not my network, it's probably a poor/corrupted file and Roon may have a strange way of handling it. I've determined this by completely wiping Roon and all database from the computer. Then when re-adding my music back in, Roon cracks it. I'll have to add each folder back, one by one, to see which one is the culprit. Windows 10 Core i7-7700 CPU NVIDIA GTX 1080 GPU 16GB RAM NVME SSD All fairly standard stuff. That's almost identical to my system and it works a treat here. I wonder what the issue is!? (Just saw your reply after I posted this - my browser hadn't refreshed) Edited February 7, 2021 by PassionForSound Late response 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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