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Title says it all.  Is roon worth it?

 

i already use jriver and it is good for what it is. Although there are a few quirks that drive me crazy sometimes. However I have invested many hours into jriver and I am rather proud of the tagging I have done with it.

 

but I have started to think about roon though - the interface and information seems good. I have yet to try the 14 day free trial though and to be frank, 14 days is not long enough for a trial as I am rather time poor at the moment.

 

but I would like to see what the consensus is - especially by those that have used both jriver and roon.  So is roon worth it?  I mean for the cost of roon, I can buy myself some more hardware - ie a new dac etc.

 

So opinions and thoughts please....

 

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I was gonna identify each of your gripes and say I and many others don’t have any of these issues, but decided it would be easier to say I disagree with just about everything in this post.

Give it a few hours to burn in

Nobody is having a go at you - you are entitled to your opinion and to share it here. But it would be remiss of us "experienced" and "seasoned" Roon users to not provide a difference of opinion to you

I thought when they added the ability to use convolution filters it was but I'd have to say no, it isn't. 

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I had a hard time justifying the price tag, until I used it. Now I can't go back to anything else, and either can the family.

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35 minutes ago, Hydrology said:

I had a hard time justifying the price tag, until I used it

@Hydrology

 

I agree.  Whether it is better than other products in terms of playback I cannot comment on.  It is flexible and to me an important value is the the database about the various files.  Not everything but most.  It can lead you into some interesting places and knowledge.  Worth the money.  Wonderful

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I have been a member for 18 months, and have to say that it is great if you have a large number stored files, and you want to combine it with streaming. I use Tidal, and find the mix of this with my own stuff is good. It is a fairly slick interface, and the metadata and information about artists and albums is cool. You will find that you may not agree with what is said about your favourite albums, but it makes the experience a bit more engaging. 

 

You do have to sort out a Roon core, which basically means a separate device. You can go anywhere from throw money and not think about it (Roon nucleus), to full DIY. You do not need that much computing power unless you are doing room correction or lots of concurrent areas- I used an old mac mini from 2009, though the most important bit was having 256gb of SSD storage to be Roon's brain. The music can be stored elsewhere on a regular old drive. The Roon community forum is active and helpful in getting you going.  

 

You can do life membership, or you can do month to month. It kind of surprises me that people are happy to pay for new cables, a third version of Belafonte at Carnegie Hall, or other woo, but are less happy to pay for something that you are directly interacting with all the time. 

 

Cheers

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Roon Radio alone is worth the price of admission. The amount of new music I have discovered since this feature went live is astonishing!

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My issues are

Always needing a core running. 

Not all Roon ready devices can be grouped together. 

Tidal's library is a bit limited. 

Finding new tracks via Tidal in Roon can't be added to Tidal playlists. 

Having a decent sized local library of 5000+ albums is near impossible to scroll through via the phone app (no scroll bar). 

Only having Tidal and Qobuz streaming services. 

 

Having said that it is quite nice to use for a proper listening session but using native apps for having music on in the house is much, much better I think. 

I'm waiting for more devices to use Chromecast. So far I believe Naim, Primare and Cambridge have adopted it. 

 

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Thanks for the replies.  I’ve decided to hold off on trying roon for a while.  I am thinking that if I did try it, then I would get “fixated” on it and waste too much precious time on tagging, reading and going through my rather large collection.  I’ve got a dissertation to finish and a baby coming in September so any reason to focus on my music collection may prove to be disasterous for me.  So I may set aside time in summer to transition to roon - depending on new baby requirements.

 

at the moment, i’ll Just keep listening and enjoying music to relax - not spend time getting used to new software. I hope that makes sense.

 

 

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21 hours ago, captain starlight said:

at the moment, i’ll Just keep listening and enjoying music to relax - not spend time getting used to new software. I hope that makes sense.

Makes very good sense (and I'm a Roon lifetime user).

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Worth it if you can afford a Nucleus and an iPad. I run mine just on a laptop and use an iMac or phone as remote. Not ideal but it's ok until I get the server + iPad in the house. 

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I love the convenience of Roon Having used it since the first days.

 

i have Qobuz added as well which I prefer over Tidal.

 

with regard to tagging and file naming, I add all new music to jriver temporarily and use that for tag editing before then dumping the renamed files on the NAS.

 

Roon for me runs fantastically on my Synology NAS.

 

the newer QNap and SYnology are fast enough to run a giant library (>10TB 300000+ tracks.  Just make sure you have at least 8Gb RAM.

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I subscribed to Roon recently. It works well for me since I'm lazy in the way I organise my media and Roon brings it all together, via it's interface, nicely.  I have used Audirvana and JRiver in the past and both are all very good, albeit with a little extra work in terms of media naming, metadata tagging, etc.

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9 hours ago, Demondes said:

I love the convenience of Roon Having used it since the first days.

 

i have Qobuz added as well which I prefer over Tidal.

 

with regard to tagging and file naming, I add all new music to jriver temporarily and use that for tag editing before then dumping the renamed files on the NAS.

 

Roon for me runs fantastically on my Synology NAS.

 

the newer QNap and SYnology are fast enough to run a giant library (>10TB 300000+ tracks.  Just make sure you have at least 8Gb RAM.

Can you sign up for Qobuz in Australia now? 

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1 hour ago, Jonny said:

Can you sign up for Qobuz in Australia now? 

Technically No

 

you just need to VPN to Uk when you sign up on the qobuz website. Don’t go through apple itself as that is  more expensive

 

once signed up they don’t seem to care.   I can now use Qobuz in Australia and even China where I am currently without the VPN.

 

i only signed up for CD quality as it is expensive compared to other services.  You can choose the cache locally the files you play

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Hmmm was happy to see this topic, given I am also pondering and pondering and pondering... (about roon software yes or no). Is there anyone (in Perth) who is using Roon and willing to maybe demo sometime during a day in a weekend?

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Hi @perthpete we have both Roon hardware as well as the software available to look at in the store. We use the software to drive most of our network audio infrastructure (Sonos, AirPlay etc etc).

Feel free to come in for a casual look any day that suits.

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On 08/06/2019 at 7:14 AM, frednork said:

Just for those trying Roon free, here is a link for Tidal hifi 90 days free to go with it.

Roon takes on another dimension when integrated with a music service.

 

https://offer.tidal.com/campaigns/5ced61f174bf330018621c43/products?geo=AU&campaignId=5ced61f174bf330018621c43

 

Yeah with Tidal a whole world of music opens up. Roon makes it so easy to access and provides the best looking and most informative and full featured interface.

If you love exploring music and digging deeper into the details of the recording, Roon is a wonderful tool. 

Well worth the cost IMO.

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On 03/06/2019 at 8:19 PM, frednork said:

try a 60 day trial and should be easy to decide with this code  0PP0-M1NA-MLB4

Thank you, I'm going to give it a go!

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Wow, thanks for the code for the 60 day trial @frednork I'm hooked already, so many features and settings. I'm just using Tidal premium atm through my Topping D10 and it sounds damn good. I'll have to do some googling to see if there are better settings. It's coming through at 192 PMC atm. Can't wait to get my NAS back (it imploded). Hopefully the data is still there.

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7 hours ago, blakey72 said:

So can you control Roon by Android if it's on a pc?

If Roon Server on a PC and Roon Remote on an Android ...yes.

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10 hours ago, blakey72 said:

So can you control Roon by Android if it's on a pc?

I think you can control roon from pretty much anything there are apps/software for mac/pc/linux/apple and similarly for the server can sit on mac/pc/linux/qnap/synology. The server power will limit the amount of processing you can do but even a low power server should work for just playing.

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Hmmm was happy to see this topic, given I am also pondering and pondering and pondering... (about roon software yes or no). Is there anyone (in Perth) who is using Roon and willing to maybe demo sometime during a day in a weekend?

Hi@perthpete I’ve got two systems setup using Roon as controller and Raspberry pies with Roopie as end point streamers into respective dacs. Also fancy myself as a barista too :) and Frank Prowse literally 200 Mtrs from my place so you could do the double
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Hi A J, that sounds great! Will send a PM to set something up for in a few weeks time (recovering from a minor surgery atm, not allowed to drive for another 2 weeks or so).

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I gave Roon a go last week for 3 days and found that it didn't really suit the way I have oganized and tagged my music. I knew that I wouldn't be able to view my music collection like windows explorer (folder/tree view) but decided to at least give it a go after a friend suggested I do so. I cancelled my free trial and shortly after received an email from Eric @ Roon. I explained why I thought it wouldn't work for me and he was good enough to email me back with a descriptive 4-5 step recommendation along with screenshots on how to use Roon's tagging and focus features to achieve what I wanted to do. He also re-enabled my trial for another 30 days instead of the standard 14. Absolute champion. I'll be giving his suggestion a go tonight and giving Roon a bit more of a thorough workout in the coming week or so.

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@A J what HAT are you using with your Raspberry Pies? I used a 3b+ straight out from the USB to my Hugo and it was OK. I have three Pie that are gathering dust in my drawers.

 

I've demoed Roon twice and I loved it both times. Too bad they only offer up front payment terms. I would buy the lifetime subscription if I could pay over 12 months.

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[mention=110771]A J[/mention] what HAT are you using with your Raspberry Pies? I used a 3b+ straight out from the USB to my Hugo and it was OK. I have three Pie that are gathering dust in my drawers.

 

I've demoed Roon twice and I loved it both times. Too bad they only offer up front payment terms. I would buy the lifetime subscription if I could pay over 12 months.

 

Hi [mention=140141]dolphy[/mention] - I use an Allo DigiOne on pi3 spdif into a Line Magnetic dac in one system and pi3 with 7” LCD - USB into a NAD M51 in the other - both running Ropiee now as it is bulletproof and the album art displays on the screen no issues - defaults to a digital clock as screen saver. Previously I was running Volumio but as I just use as Room endpoints Ropiee was the better/simpler option.

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I got into Roon in the last half of 2018 and went the next step early this year by  installing a 15m Ethernet run to connect our upstairs modem/router (connected to NBN) to the Roon Nucleus  in our downstairs main system. Photo of setup below The black box on top shelf left is the Roon Nucleus.

 

Self installed 1TB SSD and loaded about 15,000 FLAC tracks. Used dbPoweramp and separate CD drive to rip at computer in office and saved direct to Roon SSD via Ethernet There is a very good White Paper published by Roon on why they didn’t include cdripper with Nucleus and other design choices.

 

I connect the outputs of the Nucleus as follows:

 

- USB1 output to Mytek Brooklyn DAC+ for MQA decoding to go through Musical Fidelity M6si and Paradigm Reference Studio 100s;

 

- USB2 output to Oppo HA1 Headphone Amp with Oppo PM1 headphones; and

 

HDMI out to Denon AVR 4520 for multi channel.

 

I had some great help on the StereoNet audio software forum to get the multichannel working (overcoming my own incompetence).  The system and software has performed flawlessly in all formats (incl MQA) in 2ch and multichannel. Love the Roon interface and have discovered heaps of music through Tidal and Roon radio. Have been enjoying the MQA decoding by Roon (in part) and the Brooklyn (balance) but to my ears it is not always clearly better (Schiit Jotunheim and LCD3s or Oppo HA1 and PM1s which are not MQA often just as good).

 

Using Roon controllers (computer, iPads and iPhones) to control 11 outputs (this includes outputting to our Sonos hardware around our house).  Roon has been stable and delivering great listening results and lots of interesting reading. All in all Roon and Nucleus has been another significant step forward in our Hi-Fi system and the quality, variety, experience and enjoyment of music.

 

To my mind Roon’s not quite as easy as Sonos but the extra quality and features make the relatively small increase in complexity definitely worth it with the bonus that it runs on our Sonos hardware. Have not dipped into DSP at this stage. Because the Nucleus runs the Roon Core no need for computer to be on.  

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Personally I absolutely think it's absolutely worth it.  Roon with Tidal integrated is brilliant combination for me and really found it to be the missing piece of the puzzle in my system.  Would not want to go back.

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I had a Roon trial and I really liked it but couldn't bring myself to buy lifetime.

 

Since then I've set up remote control for Foobar, which I've configured to sound as good as Roon.

 

I've also got Tidal, it's just a matter of downloading the albums you want via Warlock (still in beta testing) and load it into Foobar.

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On 03/06/2019 at 6:09 PM, captain starlight said:

Title says it all.  Is roon worth it?

 

i already use jriver and it is good for what it is. Although there are a few quirks that drive me crazy sometimes. However I have invested many hours into jriver and I am rather proud of the tagging I have done with it.

 

but I have started to think about roon though - the interface and information seems good.

For me the interface of Roon is useless as one can't control it with it IR remote like you can with JRiver MC in Theater View.

Also you can't use Spotify with Roon, I think.

With JRiver MC you can use the WDM driver or WASAPI Loopback feature on Windows to route audio from other apps like Spotify and or course Roon to it.

So if you really want to use the Roon interface but the JRiver MC audio engine you can (under Windows).

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50 minutes ago, Satanica said:

For me the interface of Roon is useless as one can't control it with it IR remote like you can with JRiver MC in Theater View.

Also you can't use Spotify with Roon, I think.

With JRiver MC you can use the WDM driver or WASAPI Loopback feature on Windows to route audio from other apps like Spotify and or course Roon to it.

So if you really want to use the Roon interface but the JRiver MC audio engine you can (under Windows).

 

It is possible to utilise a programable Harmony IR remote by installing the deep harmony extension, but would suggest a much better solution is to utilise a smartphone or tablet as control interface, pending what hardware you are using.

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1 hour ago, POV said:

 

It is possible to utilise a programable Harmony IR remote by installing the deep harmony extension, but would suggest a much better solution is to utilise a smartphone or tablet as control interface, pending what hardware you are using.

This is seemingly a third party add-on and the developer is no longer contributing.

It looks dodgy and hardly full featured.

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I love Roon so far but it confuses the hell out of me. Maybe I think I am getting old. Maybe I should start a new thread stating what I have and what I am trying to achieve??

 

I have done some reading up but the lingo just loses me and at the end I am none the wiser.

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