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What is that you want the most improvement that the Chord Qutest doesn't do well?

 

I've got the RME ADI DAC V2 and I'm lovin' it ATM. It's similar to the price range of the Chord but with more features. 

 

 

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Ok probably about time I updated in case people haven't read my evil springs System thread.    After a lot of thought and looking at features, recommendations and looks, oh and tubes!, (yes

Sorry been too busy basking in the heavenly flow, of music washing over me! 😊 The Lumin U1 Mini streamer really does belong in a very high class of these devices.   I honestly had reser

i have found listening to my digital system this is the best update ,the more you add the better it sounds,relatively inexpensive also.  

Greetings Evil.

With further investigation my best guess is the preamp output of the AMR is basically passive. It can definitely be used as a stand alone DAC and run into a preamp, namely the mighty CJ. Have a peak at the users manual online. This may well tick all your boxes. Drop AMR a line for full details.
 

In @Tony M ‘s system this thing sings via Avant Garde Duo’ s and the mighty Gales. It happens to be plugged into a Bryston 14 B SST2 and we all know the cubed series sounds considerably better.....

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1 hour ago, westsurf said:

Could you expand on the 105 mod  please?

The entire Op amp output of the Oppo 105 is by passed with the Sabre DAC’s feeding directly into a pair of super quality step up transformers. So it retains all the wonderful functionality of a 105 eg plays about any disc format, however the 2 ch performance goes to another level. I believe the transformers preserves the time domain spatial information and acoustics of the recording. Adding a Audiolab 6000 CDT then lifts red book well beyond SACD,DVD-A of a standard Oppo transport, quite astonishing. My system is John Farlow era Exposure 19/4DR to Shahinian Obelisk with T-Zero subs.

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6 minutes ago, Ooogh said:

AMR  DP777 SE Clive. It beat the Ayon CD5s you heard at my place by a considerable margin . In your price range second hand. It is of course also a valve preamp and I know how much you love the CJ. As far as I know it can be used as just a DAC. 

 

The only negative is the level of gain it offers it offers, far less than the Ayon in full preamp mode. I would check with Darren 69 about his Ayon DAC that he loves.
 

Get your bloody hands off my Ayon! Just doing the sums right now! You are an Evil C!

Great another name to add to a long list! 

 

Your name did pop into my head as I typed the word Ayon, it was the one thing I remember most vividly from visiting your place recently! 😄

36 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said:

The issue isn’t your dac it’s the competition.
I’m surprised no one has suggested this already, but the best way to revive your digital listening is simply to sell your turntable ........

😀

I could, but harder to forget what I heard! 😧

 

9 minutes ago, Sansui77 said:

@evil c

What is that you want the most improvement that the Chord Qutest doesn't do well?

 

I've got the RME ADI DAC V2 and I'm lovin' it ATM. It's similar to the price range of the Chord but with more features. 

 

 

Expanding on what I mentioned earlier in the thread which is : a more analog warm sound and layers in the imaging plus effortless dynamics like I'm currently enjoying with my TT.

 

However it has taken a long time and a lot gear and carts etc. to get to this level , so I probably need to be realistic about the level I can achieve for less total money spent on digital vs. my Analog source.

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1 hour ago, evil c said:

It's a minefield out there in digital land al! 😬

Yes I know a pinhead on the whole concept- I just don't want to further overload my already addled brain! 

 

I was more referring to the notion many have that it's merely 1s and 0s and no difference. 

Now it's all about clean PSU and Ethernet, and i2s etc.

Maybe I should just buy the Ayon CD5 -S and be done with it ! 😉

 

yeah why i still run disc players in both my systems. simple yet deliver goods. digital streaming i do run too. but seems to require so much more with all sorts...

 

I truly expect someone to bring out the Digital-Defribulator (copyright betty boop enterprises) :D ... not only revives that digital sound but brings it back to life.... from the dead :D 

 

is your enthusiasm for digital drooping .... sigh no more... let the Digital-Defribulator bring your digital music back to life :D 

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6 minutes ago, evil c said:

Expanding on what I mentioned earlier in the thread which is : a more analog warm sound and layers in the imaging plus effortless dynamics like I'm currently enjoying with my TT.

 

Have a listen to Al's modified Kora Hermes DAC, might be just what you are looking for.

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1 minute ago, Telecine said:

Have a listen to Al's modified Kora Hermes DAC, might be just what you are looking for.

he has heard it ...but he's not having it :D 

 

its had too much spent on in bringing back from the dead in anywise.... unlikely to ever recoup in resale :) 

 

ps a better usb cable incase looking for something ...its one of darren's cast offs so no doubt be an outright bargain ! :)  every link in that digital chain counts..... 😛 

 

 

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1 minute ago, betty boop said:

he has heard it ...but he's not having it :D 

 

its had too much spent on in bringing back from the dead in anywise.... unlikely to ever recoup in resale :) 

 

Too good to sell @betty boop

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6 minutes ago, Telecine said:

Have a listen to Al's modified Kora Hermes DAC, might be just what you are looking for.

Good suggestion! 👍

3 minutes ago, betty boop said:

he has heard it ...but he's not having it :D 

 

its had too much spent on in bringing back from the dead in anywise.... unlikely to ever recoup in resale :) 

 

ps a better usb cable incase looking for something ...its one of darren's cast offs so no doubt be an outright bargain ! :)  every link in that digital chain counts..... 😛 

 

 

You could just loan it to me, whether you'll get it back is another matter! 😄

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2 hours ago, evil c said:

Just going to judge the performance of the Lumin with my Qutest, then take it from there.

Many have mentioned source as being crucial in the chain, so I'll just keep on investigating DACs on a casual (read non committal) basis. 😉

I do like the look of the Aqua, Schiit Yggdrasil, MSB, Berkeley, Denafrips Pontus,  Holo Kistsune, Abbas Audio,@MattyW  has been kind enough to fill me in) sure I've missed a couple! 🤔

So narrowed down to one of each then?!? :) 

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33 minutes ago, betty boop said:

he has heard it ...but he's not having it :D 

 

its had too much spent on in bringing back from the dead in anywise.... unlikely to ever recoup in resale :) 

 

ps a better usb cable incase looking for something ...its one of darren's cast offs so no doubt be an outright bargain ! :)  every link in that digital chain counts..... 😛 

 

 

Thank you my friend, managed to rip him off  get in touch with the lad, he's going to have a play with it, a good pick up and an excellent bang for buck cable. Poor thing was somewhat smashed by the Wireworld Platinum Starlight. :D Great cable though, a step up from a good quality standard USB which in themselves are fine if you aren't into diminishing returns.

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4 hours ago, evil c said:

I scored the U1 Mini sure, but not the external PSU  that came up for sale later same day!

Gotta be a trigger finger around here nowadays- Russ, I made the mistake of thinking about it rationally before committing ! 😧

The Keces are excellent, touch base with Purasound, They are all I use, dont tell them I sent you, they'll add 10%.

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5 hours ago, evil c said:

I made the mistake of thinking about it rationally before committing ! 😧

You'll never get anywhere in this hobby with that approach ;) 

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Clive my 2c-

 

Over your budget but get one of these, pay for it once and be happy forever more-

 

https://www.ayonaudio.com/products/network-playertransport/s-10-ii/ 

 

Talk to Michael or Boris at Absolute High End. Stump up for the analogue pre section and it will replace your pre amp as well and replace it with style. It will be pre, dac and streamer with every bell and whistle going and get those mutha Hulgichs singing. So selling off dac and pre can help with the monetary pain. Maybe some cables as well.

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30 minutes ago, Darren69 said:

Clive my 2c-

 

Over your budget but get one of these, pay for it once and be happy forever more-

 

https://www.ayonaudio.com/products/network-playertransport/s-10-ii/ 

 

Talk to Michael or Boris at Absolute High End. Stump up for the analogue pre section and it will replace your pre amp as well and replace it with style. It will be pre, dac and streamer with every bell and whistle going and get those mutha Hulgichs singing. So selling off dac and pre can help with the monetary pain. Maybe some cables as well.

Hmmmmmmmmm , if someone out there had one and was willing to sell - dunno if I could resist! 😧

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4 minutes ago, evil c said:

Hmmmmmmmmm , if someone out there had one and was willing to sell - dunno if I could resist! 😧

@steven365 has one but I dont think it's going anywhere.

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4 hours ago, sir sanders zingmore said:

The issue isn’t your dac it’s the competition.
I’m surprised no one has suggested this already, but the best way to revive your digital listening is simply to sell your turntable ........

😀

I did that and stopped listening to music, and it was a full year later until I started again even though I had a fairly nice sounding stock Marantz to use. Wasn't till after doing player upgrades that I started listening again.

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14 minutes ago, muon* said:

I did that and stopped listening to music, and it was a full year later until I started again even though I had a fairly nice sounding stock Marantz to use. Wasn't till after doing player upgrades that I started listening again.

Things really do need to be at a certain level for you to enjoy it.... Matching vinyl for enjoyment can be a difficult thing 

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On 20/08/2020 at 10:17 AM, evil c said:

I technically do have a lot of music files on the computer,  but after a few issues with accessing them via the Node 2i I solely access all my files via a portable HD plugged in. 

I probably should have mentioned it.

I have a direct Ethernet cable now running from the computer to my router in the lounge so shouldn't be any issues.

He's another I fear with big spender tastes, but yes a wealth of experience!

I also have many music files on laptop but rarely use it, opting for the convenience of my iPad Pro. However since getting a Node, I’m using it mainly for a music server. it was an easy connection to access all the files. Simply put all the music you want access to in the same folder (I don’t think it matters if there are sub folders) and input the file location to your Node. I was surprised at how easy it was. I was expecting technical issues but it went smoothly. If you want to add to your collection, you just have to put the files in the shared folder and reindexbvia Node.

 

I don’t have a high end system and have the original Node, but am very happy withy setup. I’m using the DAC on my Pathos which is good, but would imagine getting better results with a better DAC.

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Not sure where OP is at regarding his pursuit of digital streaming Nirvana. Keep you setup simple - KISS - gives you less hassles if you're less technical incline with computer tech. If you can afford a good sounding end streamer all in one unit, go for it. I have not heard many good sound streamer in my travels. Probably the best I have heard is the dCS Bartok but that's way out of budget for most. Others have mentioned Auralic Aries G1 , which is closer to your budget.

 

You have mentioned you do like you "analogue" sound. Also mentioned in this thread and more inline with your budget is the Denafrips family of R2R DAC. I've heard the Terminator  side by side to my 10k chip DAC. If I have to do over my digital setup again, the Terminator will be my pick and if money is not an issue the Bartok it is. @georgehifi will attest to this (with regards to R2R DAC for having an analogue sound). 

 

If possible use your existing streamer/PC/Laptop USB out to a DAC of your desire. Try not to over complicate things. Good luck and have fun Clive. Post Covid, you can showcase your new digital setup and I will bring a bottle (or two) of red. :hiccup

 

Have a peruse over couple of Utube links:

 

 

 

 

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Best DAC to revive your jaded ears down there in Syndal has to be the Darko recommend.

 

https://darko.audio/2015/11/the-select-dac-ii-msb-technologys-90000-da-converter/

 

As the tall fella says: Before we get down to brass tacks, brace thyself: the Select DAC II is the highest of the high-end D/A converters – a zero compromise solution – and sells for upwards of US$89,900.

 

Pocket change in Glen Waverley surely.😜

 

But seriously, what's wrong with one of the local made DACS?

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And if you consider Bartok, then you should consider the Bartok’s nemesis... According to Mr Darko and a Murican guy at least.

 

 



If you stick to your pre-determined price, then I think the Terminator is hard to beat at its price point.  For a little more, the Sonnet Morpheus is a slight step up.  But the Mola Mola is the whole enchilada and if you truly wish to “revive digital listening”.... well, Tambaqui is where it’s at.

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20 minutes ago, Luc said:

Best DAC to revive your jaded ears down there in Syndal has to be the Darko recommend.

 

https://darko.audio/2015/11/the-select-dac-ii-msb-technologys-90000-da-converter/

 

As the tall fella says: Before we get down to brass tacks, brace thyself: the Select DAC II is the highest of the high-end D/A converters – a zero compromise solution – and sells for upwards of US$89,900.

 

Pocket change in Glen Waverley surely.😜

 

But seriously, what's wrong with one of the local made DACS?

Xactly...

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28 minutes ago, Luc said:

Best DAC to revive your jaded ears down there in Syndal has to be the Darko recommend.

 

https://darko.audio/2015/11/the-select-dac-ii-msb-technologys-90000-da-converter/

 

As the tall fella says: Before we get down to brass tacks, brace thyself: the Select DAC II is the highest of the high-end D/A converters – a zero compromise solution – and sells for upwards of US$89,900.

 

Pocket change in Glen Waverley surely.😜

 

But seriously, what's wrong with one of the local made DACS?

 

End game for sure , certainly end of the game for me!!,😧

Nothing wrong with them.

Lot of fans of the Geiseler brand / Grob etc.

 

22 minutes ago, Stereophilus said:

And if you consider Bartok, then you should consider the Bartok’s nemesis... According to Mr Darko and a Murican guy at least.

 

 



If you stick to your pre-determined price, then I think the Terminator is hard to beat at its price point.  For a little more, the Sonnet Morpheus is a slight step up.  But the Mola Mola is the whole enchilada and if you truly wish to “revive digital listening”.... well, Tambaqui is where it’s at.

I'll check them out later, Wood fired Pizza on the menu! 😉

 

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8 pages.

Decision time approaches surely. What have you narrowed it down to?

 

*Hickory fired chook consumed between posts. Pizza on a Sunday eve? Barbarian!😱😜

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1 hour ago, Luc said:

8 pages.

Decision time approaches surely. What have you narrowed it down to?

 

*Hickory fired chook consumed between posts. Pizza on a Sunday eve? Barbarian!😱😜

Not my fault everyone keeps on spruiking the Best of all time DAC!

Lot for me to digest. 

@djb would have pushed it to 10 pages just waffling on about his tram trips etc. before we got onto the nitty gritty! 😒

 

It's Sunday night??? 😲

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7 hours ago, betty boop said:

every link in that digital chain counts..

Absolutely!!  A weak link degrades the valve of every other link in the chain regardless of their respective quality.   It is no different to the little that  I understand about the set up and the contribution of the components with vinyl.  Each domain has its intricacies to achieve the best or desired outcome  In fact everything in the chain matters from the the start to the absolute end. 

 

John

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Just now, Assisi said:

Absolutely!!  A weak link degrades the valve of every other link in the chain regardless of their respective quality.   It is no different to the little that  I understand about the set up and the contribution of the components with vinyl.  Each domain has its intricacies to achieve the best or desired outcome  In fact everything in the chain matters from the the start to the absolute end. 

 

John

And why I have reservations about having so many links in the chain digital wise, as many can have several.

 

I am beginning to gravitate toward a simpler solution,  with less inherent weaknesses- without the compromises in build quality often made to cut costs! 😉

 

 

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1 minute ago, evil c said:

And why I have reservations about having so many links in the chain digital wise, as many can have several.

 

I am beginning to gravitate toward a simpler solution,  with less inherent weaknesses- without the compromises in build quality often made to cut costs! 😉

 

 

Good luck with that 😎

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43 minutes ago, evil c said:

Lot for me to digest. 

One step at a time.  Appreciate the Lumin for awhile and then contemplate the next step.  Softly softly catches the monkey. Treat as just just work in progress.

 

John

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3 minutes ago, evil c said:

And why I have reservations about having so many links in the chain digital wise, as many can have several.

 

I am beginning to gravitate toward a simpler solution,  with less inherent weaknesses- without the compromises in build quality often made to cut costs!

I understand the desire for simplicity.  A numbers of SNA members have gone down that path.   @Snoopy8 for example.  As you can see from my profile for the time being I have gone the path complexity.  So many boxes and cables etc.  However I consider that I have achieved a wonderful musical outcome that would not have happened with simplicity.  It is all about one step at a time and learning about what works with what.  To me it is fun

John

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17 minutes ago, evil c said:

And why I have reservations about having so many links in the chain digital wise, as many can have several.

 

I am beginning to gravitate toward a simpler solution,  with less inherent weaknesses- without the compromises in build quality often made to cut costs! 😉

 

 

Soooo..... The Abbas then. ;)

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7 minutes ago, MattyW said:

Soooo..... The Abbas then.

Unfortunately Clive is living in a reasonable degree lifestyle restrictions.   It would be good if he could trial some DACs with his yet to arrive Lumin.  Until that happens I consider that he should just contemplate life and experience the benefit of the the Lumin.

 

John

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32 minutes ago, evil c said:

I am beginning to gravitate toward a simpler solution,  with less inherent weaknesses- without the compromises in build quality often made to cut costs! 😉

Waiter, I'll have an msb select with all the frills... and dont cut any corners!!!

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Just now, Assisi said:

Unfortunately Clive is living in a reasonable degree lifestyle restrictions.   It would be good if he could trial some DACs with his yet to arrive Lumin.  Until that happens I consider that he should just contemplate life and experience the benefit of the the Lumin.

 

John

People could still send different brands for me to trial! 😊

15 minutes ago, MattyW said:

Soooo..... The Abbas then. ;)

Abba were overated! 😉

In all seriousness - there is a lot to admire with basically a no frills DAC, that offers some premium options in a nutshell.

Just now, frednork said:

Waiter, I'll have an msb select with all the frills... and dont cut any corners!!!

Crowd funding perhaps? 😳

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11 minutes ago, evil c said:

Crowd funding perhaps?

facebook fundraiser...

 

"I am denied music ... the one joy in life with a system that just spits forth 1's and 0s that are meaningless and leaves me cold....

 

....help me ...evolve to a better system that takes my musical pleasure to another level !  "

 

am sure folks will sign  up to the experiment :D 

 

with the promise you will put the  dac on rotation to pleasure them all :D 

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