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What are the integrated amplifier brands which is very good for Monitor Audio?

 

High current, atleast 100w/channel ,with sub-out

 

 

Thanks in advance.

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I like the idea of buying local, but Redgum...................................not so much.

Right.. so your Dynaudio speakers are pretty linear with measurably low distortion.  You'll have folks telling you that Dyns need lot's of power, however in my experience it's high current amplifiers

There are few ways to try different amps. You can try in shop or you can borrow demo from a shop or local manufacturer. The other option is to buy second hand and sell it if it doesn't work. Some bran

If you can find one, the Arcam FMJ A49 would be my recommendation. Take a look at the reviews that you can find online.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUgZ3gvtbqAhWJ4zgGHSgUD8sQFjADegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fandreweverard.com%2F2015%2F02%2F19%2Freview-arcam-a49-a-transatlantic-triumph%2F&usg=AOvVaw0NtfnK70cFmIvnpiUrScO5

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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUgZ3gvtbqAhWJ4zgGHSgUD8sQFjAFegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theabsolutesound.com%2Farticles%2Farcam-fmj-a49-integrated-amplifier%2F&usg=AOvVaw1RUq3OqBnFqopLACqiUJKk

I was dubious when it was first suggested to me as I had always thought of Arcam as a mid-fi brand at best, but after listening to it I was hooked. It's an old model now which means that you might be able to pick one up at a really good price. Originally they were just under $9k, but I have seen a clearance price of under $5k for one on the Audio Connection website, which means (I assume) that you would get the 2 year warranty. I think Douglas Hi-Fi in Perth also sold them, so it might be worth checking with them too.

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What’s the budget, new or used?

 

Around the same price as the speakers also consider amps like Yamaha AS3000 and 2100, Luxman 505, Musical Fidelity M6, Hegel H190, Parasound Halo A21 etc. If preamp and power amp combos are ok they are options as well.

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2 minutes ago, POV said:

'musical'

 

2 minutes ago, POV said:

can you define

IT?

 

If you want an off the cuff answer then I'd say any high end Sansui amp in the 80w per channel area or most Luxman models 2000 to 2015  SS amps in the same wattage.

And of course a couple of thousand other amps. Some made here in Oz and many made else where.

 

I'm sorry but I have no idea what you mean by "musical".

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38 minutes ago, POV said:

Budget?  And can you define what 'musical' means to you?

Musical - dynamic + synergy

Budget under : 6000$

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Right.. so your Dynaudio speakers are pretty linear with measurably low distortion.  You'll have folks telling you that Dyns need lot's of power, however in my experience it's high current amplifiers that really make them sing.  With that budget I would recommend you look at the new Denon PMA-2500NE.   This amp has a real weight and midrange fluidity that i think will complement the Evokes beautifully.   And with it's very high current design it will blow you away with it's control and transient response.

 

Seriously don't discount it cause it's a Denon.  The new NE range Denon has knocked out of the park I think.

 

I have no clue what you mean by synergy sorry.

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1 hour ago, JukKluk2 said:

If you can find one, the Arcam FMJ A49 would be my recommendation. Take a look at the reviews that you can find online.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUgZ3gvtbqAhWJ4zgGHSgUD8sQFjADegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fandreweverard.com%2F2015%2F02%2F19%2Freview-arcam-a49-a-transatlantic-triumph%2F&usg=AOvVaw0NtfnK70cFmIvnpiUrScO5

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUgZ3gvtbqAhWJ4zgGHSgUD8sQFjAEegQIAxAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enjoythemusic.com%2Fmagazine%2Fequipment%2F1015%2FArcam_FMJ_A49_Stereo_Integrated_Amplifier_Review.htm&usg=AOvVaw0mUFNiJE2kDXa0Mq6Rsp9W

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiUgZ3gvtbqAhWJ4zgGHSgUD8sQFjAFegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theabsolutesound.com%2Farticles%2Farcam-fmj-a49-integrated-amplifier%2F&usg=AOvVaw1RUq3OqBnFqopLACqiUJKk

I was dubious when it was first suggested to me as I had always thought of Arcam as a mid-fi brand at best, but after listening to it I was hooked. It's an old model now which means that you might be able to pick one up at a really good price. Originally they were just under $9k, but I have seen a clearance price of under $5k for one on the Audio Connection website, which means (I assume) that you would get the 2 year warranty. I think Douglas Hi-Fi in Perth also sold them, so it might be worth checking with them too.

links below without all the google tracking gumph 

 


https://andreweverard.com/2015/02/19/review-arcam-a49-a-transatlantic-triumph/


 

http://enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/1015/Arcam_FMJ_A49_Stereo_Integrated_Amplifier_Review.htm

 

https://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/arcam-fmj-a49-integrated-amplifier/

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12 minutes ago, POV said:

Right.. so your Dynaudio speakers are pretty linear with measurably low distortion.  You'll have folks telling you that Dyns need lot's of power, however in my experience it's high current amplifiers that really make them sing.  With that budget I would recommend you look at the new Denon PMA-2500NE.   This amp has a real weight and midrange fluidity that i think will complement the Evokes beautifully.   And with it's very high current design it will blow you away with it's control and transient response.

 

Seriously don't discount it cause it's a Denon.  The new NE range Denon has knocked out of the park I think.

 

I have no clue what you mean by synergy sorry.

Synergy- system match between speaker and amp.

 

But ne2500 have no sub-out ? Is it not a draw back ?

 

Now I use PM8005 Marantz, is that more or less like Denon 2500.ne?

Thanks

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Last time I auditioned few amplifiers they were sometimes very different. 

At the $6000 bracket it really comes down to personal taste. 

Besides the sound quality there are other futures you might need or even specific size/colour/design. 

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1 minute ago, Masseey said:

Now I use PM8005 Marantz, is that more or less like Denon 2500.ne?

Thanks

That Marantz is pretty good. What do you want to improve? Dynamics, details, sweet vocals?  

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7 minutes ago, Irek said:

That Marantz is pretty good. What do you want to improve? Dynamics, details, sweet vocals?  

Marantz is very good. Just thinking of upgrade to step up performance.

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29 minutes ago, Masseey said:

Synergy- system match between speaker and amp.

 

But ne2500 have no sub-out ? Is it not a draw back ?

 

Now I use PM8005 Marantz, is that more or less like Denon 2500.ne?

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system match between speaker and amp will ultimately be subjective in terms of sound signature.

 

I used to think sub out was important, but since experimenting with REL and KEF subs using high level in, I think that assuming you are using a sub with a good quality, well implemented crossover then you can potentially get even better integration between mains and sub using the speaker level inputs.  What sub are you using?  If Sub integration in the amplifier is important the perhaps check out the Parasound HINT-6.

 

The PMA-2500NE is a significant jump in quality over the PM8005, and Denon and Marantz have quite different amp topology and sound signatures.

 

 

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@POV I am having SVS sb2000 sub.

 

Always , I want to have Musical Fidelity integrated M6 500sI

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i have listened to other peoples recommendations on some gear, don't even come close for me

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2 minutes ago, Masseey said:

@POV I am having SVS sb2000 sub.

 

Always , I want to have Musical Fidelity integrated M6 500sI or M6 power amp using pm8005 as pre.

 

I am not sure is above  MF better than Denon 2500ne.

 

My Marantz is also very good.

 

SVS subs don't have speaker level inputs I don't think, which is in itself a good reason to look elswehere.   Have you already purchased the sub?  If not then i think you can do better for a music based system.  Suggest you look at REL T7i or KEF Kube12B instead.  if you are set on the SVS then you will need an integrated with variable pre-outs or sub out.

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5 minutes ago, Masseey said:

 

 

My Marantz is also very good.

 

Have you thought about spending some money on room treatments instead?  

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16 minutes ago, POV said:

 

Have you thought about spending some money on room treatments instead?  

Yes, I should, it's fair suggestion.

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39 minutes ago, POV said:

 

SVS subs don't have speaker level inputs I don't think, which is in itself a good reason to look elswehere.   Have you already purchased the sub?  If not then i think you can do better for a music based system.  Suggest you look at REL T7i or KEF Kube12B instead.  if you are set on the SVS then you will need an integrated with variable pre-outs or sub out.

I already have SVS.

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Asking what "The best" amplifier is, is like asking what the best sports car is, or what the best watch is. Good luck with that.

 

If I were spending $6k on an integrated, I agree with the other chap I'd get the Luxman. I'd even consider a second hand higher spec model. There have been a few for sale on here lately.

 

I do love my Luxman kit.  It does depend what sort of thing floats your boat though. Like I said, there is no such thing as a universally accepted "Best", of anything.

 

There certainly are some "stay away froms" in my opinion. I won't post them, otherwise fists will start flying.

 

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7 hours ago, Masseey said:

Hi Guys,

What are the integrated amplifier brands which is very reliable?

 

High current, atleast 100w/channel

 

Drive Dynaudio Evoke 50 speakers

 

Thanks in advance.

All amplifier brands are reliable, until they are not.

If you needed a sub out on an amp, why not state it at the beginning and save everybody their time?

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Taste is a very personal thing , also how the equipment look may play a big role on how your hear things , human brain is amazing at perceiving and alter what you feel. 

 

 

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There are few ways to try different amps. You can try in shop or you can borrow demo from a shop or local manufacturer. The other option is to buy second hand and sell it if it doesn't work. Some brands are easier to sell then other.

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For that money personally I would be getting new or used tube preamp to give that tubes sound, micro detail, musicality and sweetness, something like a Supratek http://www.supratek.com.au or Audio Research gear for $-2-3k and gutsy reliable solid state power amp like used Parasound A21 or similar for $2-3k. Comparing the build quality (pictures below, 1st Denon, 2nd MF, then pre power) and sound would be way ahead of the intergrated amp you are looking. 

 

One used integrated amp that may get closer to that preamp and power amp combo may be a Vitas 101 that sell for around $6k used.

 

All of this gear has come up for sale in the past here so the chances are better.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Masseey said:

@POV I am having SVS sb2000 sub.

 

Always , I want to have Musical Fidelity integrated M6 500sI or M6 power amp using pm8005 as pre.

 

I am not sure is above  MF better than Denon 2500ne.

 

My Marantz is also very good.

There is a Musical Fidelity M6i that has just appeared in the Classifieds that would do the job (and save you some money).

 

I've heard a number of Dynaudio speakers and they seem to do better with amps that are tonally sweeter, richer and more organic than the more analytical ones.

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6 minutes ago, gemini07 said:

There is a Musical Fidelity M6i that has just appeared in the Classifieds that would do the job (and save you some money).

 

I've heard a number of Dynaudio speakers and they seem to do better with amps that are tonally sweeter, richer and more organic than the more analytical ones.

Yes. Thank you

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37 minutes ago, gemini07 said:

I've heard a number of Dynaudio speakers and they seem to do better with amps that are tonally sweeter, richer and more organic than the more analytical ones.

I could not agree more.

 

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17 hours ago, Masseey said:

Musical - dynamic + synergy

Budget under : 6000$

Parasound Halo/Hint 6 Integrated. 

Plinius Hautonga Integrated

Accuphase E-460 or 470 used if you can locate one.

Electrocompaniet Integrated new or used. 

 

Dream amp...Gryphon Diablo 120 or better still 300. xD My preference is from bottom up. Good luck with your search. 

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You describe your Marantz PM8005 as "very good", so I would probably stick with that. Change for its own sake doesn't always lead to a benefit.

Alternatively, if you really want to make a change, then you would, I think, be better off looking for a suitable Musical Fidelity integrated amplifier or  power amplifier you could combine with your Marantz as the pre-amplifier. After all, you state that you have always wanted a Musical Fidelity amplifier, so chase your own dream, not that of someone else. Probably more satisfying, too.

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5 hours ago, dr_carl said:

Svs subs do have high level connections, that's how I  use mine.


Ok apologies, the SB2000 Pro I have here doesn’t.

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On topic now - Redgum amps easily fulfill the OP's criteria. Buy local, especially now. 

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8 hours ago, The Rock Puppy said:

You describe your Marantz PM8005 as "very good", so I would probably stick with that. Change for its own sake doesn't always lead to a benefit.

Alternatively, if you really want to make a change, then you would, I think, be better off looking for a suitable Musical Fidelity integrated amplifier or  power amplifier you could combine with your Marantz as the pre-amplifier. After all, you state that you have always wanted a Musical Fidelity amplifier, so chase your own dream, not that of someone else. Probably more satisfying, too.

Thanks @The Rock Puppy 

 

Marantz is good .. clarity is good noise floor is very low, good seperation. Earlier I had Rotel which had grunt but it lacked seperation and noise floor was high.

 

 Looking forward for very high current. MF🙂

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@MasseeyGet rid of that Marantz. I'm going to be brutally honest, nice amp, not for Dyns.

 

As mentioned in above posts the following amps will work, Im thinking economically  :

 

Plinius Hautonga

Parasound A21 or Hint

Naim supernait

Moon I5 or 340i  if you can afford it.

Musical Fidelity A5/Rotel pre/power 

 

Power amps  Naksa can't remember model or Electra Reference...use the Marantz as a pre.

 

I've heard the above with Dynaudio and all have worked...matter of your taste.

Just yesterday I bought a pair of PMC twenty5.23, I'm using a Denon PMA 2500NE, and it works extremely well.

I have no reason to think it wouldn't combine well with you Evokes.

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2 hours ago, dr_carl said:

On topic now - Redgum amps easily fulfill the OP's criteria. Buy local, especially now. 

I like the idea of buying local, but Redgum...................................not so much.

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