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2 minutes ago, 626tomp said:

That's so weird, not working for me either. Maybe they're just not selling them anymore... Probably moved onto the $600 wireless version...

 

Maybe some of the Bluetooth options are worth looking into, a couple options at that price range. Or maybe the hd500 series. Haven't had experience with either though so don't know if they're any good.

yeah all very strange, maybe i'll ring senheiser in the morning. what is point of a 30% off if can't use it :D  

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1 minute ago, betty boop said:

thanks tele I do have my closed back p7... which is over ear too... but all a bit rich for general everyday use for a teenager I think. 

The P3's are more affordable and built for portability.

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Just now, Telecine said:

The P3's are more affordable and built for portability.

I know but she wants the over the ear /closed back type. the p3 are on the ear but a great phone otherwise :) 

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my take on Wireless Active Noise Cancelling  (ANC) Headphones . . . .

 

 

be weary they can cause headaches, sinus and jaws issues and nausea and dizziness, tinnitus

 

no-one tells you this, and no-one mentions it in reviews.

 

I found out the hard way, only 2 weeks, bought a top pair of Noise Cancelling Headphones, then i started going down hill over the next 5 - 10 days as i used them for work.

 

( i have Focal Utopias and Senns, countless wireless IEM's , so i kinda know my headphones )

 

I couldn't work out why all the above was happening, the headaches, sinus and jaws issues and nausea, then i Goolged ANC headaches, and BOOM !, not just me being silly . . . . . pages and forums on  the topic and peoples experiences.

 

It doesn't happen to everyone, though alot.

 

i will put it to you this way on what we are placing on out nogggins, lol :

 

- first there is the large-ish magnets on both earcups

 

- then the internal charged batteries

 

- followed by electrical circuits boards emitting electro magnetic frequecies ( EMF)

 

- then Bluetooth buzzing around our auras

 

- and finally the frequency the ANC creates to knock out other frequencies so we can not hear them, these things (frequencies) pound through your eardrums passing through your brain . . . . and mess people up.

 

 

Concluding, as a parent i would never get a pair for my teenage kid who's brain doesn't need more spicing up due to what happened to me (my experience with ANC ) . . . .  however, it does not happen to everyone . . . . this is simply an insight to my experience and to what i suspect will surely end up in Court someday.

 

 

Christopher

 

 

 

I have been recommended these for teens by a YouTube Reviewer over all the rest he has reviewed  (going on price and performance ) :

 

Soundcore Q10 - $55.97 plus about $10.00 delivery

 

https://www.myanker.com.au/soundcore-life-q10.html

 

Heaps of great reviews on YouTube

 

 

 

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definitely conscious of these kind of things. to be truthful though factors for us such as cost, weight and added complexity of Blue tooth / wireless noise cancelling will be why we stay away from those. in the kind of use this has wired has been fine and will be fine going on. these aren't mobile as such. used pretty stationary all the time and closed back over ear in their passive nature of noise cancelling (of surrounds) is quite sufficient.

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So you don't want ANC even if it can be turned off? Also no Bluetooth? What if Bluetooth is turned off when 3.5mm is plugged in?

 

Just checking as a lot of Bluetooth and ANC headphones become passive with 3.5mm cable plugged in. You may not want her to have the option full stop? I do agree ANC can cause ringing in the ears.

 

Edit: Some have a NC button. It is a question if you want her to have those options. 

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2 minutes ago, gwurb said:

So you don't want ANC even if it can be turned off? Also no Bluetooth? What if Bluetooth is turned off when 3.5mm is plugged in?

 

Just checking as a lot of Bluetooth and ANC headphones become passive with 3.5mm cable plugged in. You may not want her to have the option full stop? I do agree ANC can cause ringing in the ears.

oh just the bulk weight, cost and added complexity these systems add, no real need to pay for it if dont need thats all :) there seem to be good range of wired headphones around so just sticking to  those to choose between :) 

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2 hours ago, betty boop said:

oh just the bulk weight, cost and added complexity these systems add, no real need to pay for it if dont need thats all :) there seem to be good range of wired headphones around so just sticking to  those to choose between :) 

There are some good sales around at the moment for wireless headphones that can be used wired, and they sound good.

BUT if you are after all passive then I would recommend this as a bargain (yes it is higher than $250 at $299 but original retail is $799):

Ultrasone Signature Studio

https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/collections/headphones/products/ultrasone-signature-studio-headphones

In fact addicted to audio have a few others are good prices, but they are above your $250 target. For example Shure SRH840 at $299 but I would opt for Ultrasone if I was considering $299.

 

Edit: Audition the Ultrasone before purchase to make sure you are happy with their sound as they can sound a bit different.

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12 hours ago, kroozzy said:

my take on Wireless Active Noise Cancelling  (ANC) Headphones . . . .

 

 

be weary they can cause headaches, sinus and jaws issues and nausea and dizziness, tinnitus

 

no-one tells you this, and no-one mentions it in reviews.

 

I found out the hard way, only 2 weeks, bought a top pair of Noise Cancelling Headphones, then i started going down hill over the next 5 - 10 days as i used them for work.

 

( i have Focal Utopias and Senns, countless wireless IEM's , so i kinda know my headphones )

 

I couldn't work out why all the above was happening, the headaches, sinus and jaws issues and nausea, then i Goolged ANC headaches, and BOOM !, not just me being silly . . . . . pages and forums on  the topic and peoples experiences.

 

It doesn't happen to everyone, though alot.

 

i will put it to you this way on what we are placing on out nogggins, lol :

 

- first there is the large-ish magnets on both earcups

 

- then the internal charged batteries

 

- followed by electrical circuits boards emitting electro magnetic frequecies ( EMF)

 

- then Bluetooth buzzing around our auras

 

- and finally the frequency the ANC creates to knock out other frequencies so we can not hear them, these things (frequencies) pound through your eardrums passing through your brain . . . . and mess people up.

 

 

Concluding, as a parent i would never get a pair for my teenage kid who's brain doesn't need more spicing up due to what happened to me (my experience with ANC ) . . . .  however, it does not happen to everyone . . . . this is simply an insight to my experience and to what i suspect will surely end up in Court someday.

 

 

Christopher

 

 

 

 

How long ago was this Christopher? I held the same view for quite a while, and when I tried ANC myself I always felt pressure on my ears, even after a minute or two. From what I've read lately, today's ANC is much better and avoids this. I can't remember where I read it, but worth doing some searching if you (or anyone) wants to learn more before excluding ANC. 

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6 minutes ago, Topman_Chief said:

How long ago was this Christopher? I held the same view for quite a while, and when I tried ANC myself I always felt pressure on my ears, even after a minute or two. From what I've read lately, today's ANC is much better and avoids this. I can't remember where I read it, but worth doing some searching if you (or anyone) wants to learn more before excluding ANC. 

I have the pressure experience with Sony WH-1000XM3. I also get an increase in ringing in my ears if I use them for a couple of hours or more. I still use them but primarily for travelling.

 

The pressure is present for me with Bose QC35 and Momentum 2 wireless. Momentum was much softer.

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Very interesting reading here for me - I have an 11yo daughter also looking for headphones. She is hell bent on wireless though. A couple of options:

1. Sony WH-XB900n. The little brother to the all conquering WH-1000XM3. I probably would have bought a pair of the 1000's by now if I was still communiting. Instead I've hung on to my chipped V-Moda's. I had a colleague who bought the 900's on my suggestion and he loves them. Can be used wired, but also wireless and ANC. Decent styling and come in a range of colours. RRP $299 but you should find them below that before June 30.

https://www.sony.com.au/electronics/headband-headphones/wh-xb900n

 

2. V-Moda M100. I'm onto my second pair of these. I love the sound signature - big and open, warm and a little bass heavy but still clean. Available in a wireless model, but these are wired. $239 in white, normally $389. Also available in red, and you can change the plates on the side, if you want to get artistic. 

https://www.storedj.com.au/v-moda-crossfade-m100-over-ear-headphones-white-silver?SearchId=8220860&SearchPos=2

 

I know the ATH M50 are popular, and probably not bad value at $150, but I've listened to them a couple of times and they just seem a bit lifeless with bloated bass to me. Just my $0.02.

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6 minutes ago, Topman_Chief said:

Very interesting reading here for me - I have an 11yo daughter also looking for headphones. She is hell bent on wireless though. A couple of options:

1. Sony WH-XB900n. The little brother to the all conquering WH-1000XM3. I probably would have bought a pair of the 1000's by now if I was still communiting. Instead I've hung on to my chipped V-Moda's. I had a colleague who bought the 900's on my suggestion and he loves them. Can be used wired, but also wireless and ANC. Decent styling and come in a range of colours. RRP $299 but you should find them below that before June 30.

https://www.sony.com.au/electronics/headband-headphones/wh-xb900n

 

2. V-Moda M100. I'm onto my second pair of these. I love the sound signature - big and open, warm and a little bass heavy but still clean. Available in a wireless model, but these are wired. $239 in white, normally $389. Also available in red, and you can change the plates on the side, if you want to get artistic. 

https://www.storedj.com.au/v-moda-crossfade-m100-over-ear-headphones-white-silver?SearchId=8220860&SearchPos=2

 

I know the ATH M50 are popular, and probably not bad value at $150, but I've listened to them a couple of times and they just seem a bit lifeless with bloated bass to me. Just my $0.02.

V-Moda M100 are nice. At that price they are great. Worthy mention here: https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-over-ear-sealed

Sony WH-CH700 are good value on amazon at the moment at $149. I don't love the inflated bass on a lot of Sonys so Extra Bass on the Sonys is never good for me thus I prefer the non-Extra Bass models.

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6 hours ago, Topman_Chief said:

How long ago was this Christopher? I held the same view for quite a while, and when I tried ANC myself I always felt pressure on my ears, even after a minute or two. From what I've read lately, today's ANC is much better and avoids this. I can't remember where I read it, but worth doing some searching if you (or anyone) wants to learn more before excluding ANC. 

 

 

this was 2 1/2 weeks ago i purchased them.

 

I purchased the SkullCandy Crusher ANC - $530

 

here is a review of them i placed online  :

 

My View on the Crushers,

 

I have had them for 10 days.

 

the ANC gets weird when driving in my New-ish Merc Van. Over little road bumps (normal roads) the Crusher's ANC reacts in a form of a little static click sound.

 

After a few days, it does start to get noticeable, and then annoying, and for $530 AUD, they are not that impressive.

 

The BASS is fun, though the actual volume levels are not loud at all. For $530AUD, I would expect to be able to crank them up when I want to, though this is not the case, I was badly disappointed with the volume level.

 

My Sabbat E12 Ultra True Wireless are louder and cleaner sounding, then my KZ E10 True Wireless absolutely destroy the Crushers in Loudness, Soundstage, Separation and Clarity and also manage to provide great BASS, though no where near the Crushers.

 

The mic on the Crusher's is great, despite all the reviews, I am on the phone at least 20 times a day and not one person has had trouble hearing or understanding me, and when I ask my friends how do I sound, they comment they had no idea I was on BlueTooth.

 

I use an new OPPO 5G phone.

 

Connection wise, BT, the Crushers are a delight, the Sabbat E12 are 50/50, the KZ E10 are painful, I would rate them at 10/90.

 

Lastly, the Crusher Earcup Rotating Hinge broke on me tonight, so that is the final straw for them, I will be contacting SkullCandy and asking for a refund.

 

The Crushers simply are not a good general alrounder headphone, I love my BASS, but the cons outweigh to pros , I would rate the crushers at 3/10 because of their high price and lastly painful comfort wearing during the day.

 

I want to love the Crushers, but I simply can't.

 

I only gave a 3 because :

 

+1 for call quality

&

+1 for BASS

&

+1 for connectivity - BT

 

7 points deducted for :

-1 for Volume Level

-1 for Weight

-1 for Cabin Pressure

-1 for EarCup size

-1 for White Noise

-1 for ANC noise clicks at certain frequencies

-1 for the hinge breaking (just faulty bad luck in that particular piece of plastic I figure )

 

You know that feeling you get when you have been on your feet all day and get home and take off your shoes, the release of pressure, well that is the same feeling of the Crushers.

 

And finally lastly, I have had a headache for the last 5-7 days, that is not normal for me, . . . . not blaming the Crushers, butttttttttt . . . . . the cabin pressure, the actual weight and the fit and clamping are just outright painful, and the White Noise . . . . hmmmmmmmmm ???

 

Now they are broken I will go back to the KZ E10's and have a non painful, clear listening and talking experience again, with no White Noise and Cabin Pressure.

 

Sorry SkullCandy, the Crusher ANC are FUN, I wish I could love them, but I can't !!

 

my recommendations to SkullCandy, larger Earcup, less weight, louder volume levels, a complete overhaul of the ANC - the interference clicks at certain frequencies gets very annoying, get rid of the White Noise ( I forgot to mention that )

 

 

Concluding, I have Sennheiser HD's and Focal Utopia Headphones, so I am no stranger to headphones.

 

 

Christopher

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well i did a bit of wandering around today. jb waste of time. yes @Kaynin can't plug anything in. and yep no stock on the AT headphones anyways. not much to demo at JB overall apart from things like beats and such....perhaps headphones have been popular over covid or something because there was hardly anything i saw worth taking my daughter to demo. yes one retailer i thought be a go to to demo checked and yeah no demo. also no stock for what looking for or price outrageous anyways. I checked local band shop and also local computer store. both with stock of AT and few other options. but no demo.... so you buy packaged item sealed none the wiser. 

 

So thought go back to what know... and she and i pretty comfortable with the sennheiser sound.... we have a couple of phones here at home she is fine with and likes. however checking with sennheiser the momentum 2 over ear is not for sale through their website... *no stock* :D from what understand ...so can't take advantage of the sennheiser 30% discount....through my uni days account.

 

and then some luck i found a catch deal here matching the unuidays discount , this is aussie stock full 2 year local warranty and its the apple suited version ! phew !  

 

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its the ivory which is a swish looking headphone, something i think she will like thanks @blybo for bringing to attention :) 

 

anyways a sorta still blind buy, not usually how like to fly but it is what it is and hope most importantly what she likes. in some ways will be a surprise present for her, which is good to I guess :) 

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Great that you found a pair :)

The wireless version (which can be used wired) is $257 at David Jones. Its black, so worse for style. There is a lower price around too.

How much $ was the wired one that you found?

 

I used to have the wireless ones. Nice sound. Listening for long periods was a bit uncomfortable as the drivers sat against my ears. Maybe I have big ears lol!?

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12 minutes ago, gwurb said:

Great that you found a pair :)

The wireless version (which can be used wired) is $257 at David Jones. Its black, so worse for style. There is a lower price around too.

How much $ was the wired one that you found?

same price as the unidays 30% off via sennheiser through catch, yes have seen the odd black which dont really want and definitely not wireless noise cancelling as mentioned before. and to be honest ive been burnt twice with DJ and headphones so not doing that again. they are always trying to palm off shop demo as new discounted. something related to their store down size or clearing too much Shelf demo stock or something. takes eternity to show up and its shop soiled that have to take back and then wait eternity while they find more stock and thats shop soiled as well. dont want to go through all that again.

 

anyways lets see what comes via catch ! :D 

 

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Good news in difficult circumstances.  She'll love them Al, and a nice pair of headphones - she's well and truly down the path you've already trodden!  lol

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10 minutes ago, Kaynin said:

Good news in difficult circumstances.  She'll love them Al, and a nice pair of headphones - she's well and truly down the path you've already trodden!  lol

thanks kaynin :D I am a bit surprised how she has taken to headphones actually :D  but all in all understandable i guess hehe

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10 hours ago, betty boop said:

its the ivory which is a swish looking headphone, something i think she will like thanks @blybo for bringing to attention :) 

No worries. I had the series 1 with black backs and red cabling which looked really nice to my eyes. I'm sure the ivory will look classy. I found the bass was over pronounced for the first few wears but probably settled within 5-10 hours use.

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Anyone ever noticed Pioneer DJ HRM-5? I first discovered this model from e-earphone.jp, it got the 1st place recommendation for "budget monitor earphone" (source: https://www.e-earphone.jp/html/page270.html).  Price is $160@storedj.com. I bought one 1 yr ago, and amazed by how neutral the sound can be at this price tie, don't be fooled by the "Pioneer DJ" label, the distinctness of the layer of sound  makes it stands out from all other bass boosted ones.

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Not sure if anyone has recommended it but the AKG K371 are great. A good tuning towards the Harman Target which is popular amongst most consumers.

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well I can’t fault catch for service ! Arrived early today. Wow and this via auspost. Double boxed sennheiser box inside wrapped in foam sleeve.

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Kept safely away, will stay packed up till her birthday :) 

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On 14/06/2020 at 10:30 AM, Addicted to music said:

If I were to go to JB checking out headphones, I’d be taking alcohol wipes with me,   Use it b4 and after...   Too many unknowns,  rather know that I’ve done the precautions than be sorry...   A packet of Coles brand disinfectant wipes I picked up for $2,50 and are in a reusable seal....   Headphones are way to personal to be trying out right now...  Hence the reason why ATA has stopped all auditions and good on them...  you may need to call them to see if they have relaxed...   Everything else you touch with your hands and then you can either use sanitisers or wash them thoroughly,  when people place items like headphones close to areas of infection, no thanks .

just as a point on this, while JB bit inadequate to demo with their setup but also stock... they did have little yellow signs up anyways saying "due to identified health reasons not to touch display stock" not sure if this precluded demos (i didn't ask) but all their stock on demo did look a bit cruddy !  with visible grunge and such... not something would want to put on my ears. i am not sure if these  "identified health issues" is what has meant most retailers not demoing any more... quite possible...or its just an easy out who knows....

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